"Green" policies are destroying this country

xxxxxxl

I'm sure the Greens are livid with the idea of homes lasting 16 years and would consider that one off. Have they objected to that government policy ?

The govt finding itself back in court again over weak environmental legislation. This time its An Taisce taking them to the High Court to challenge the Nitrates Action Programme

Following an extended period of review, An Taisce last month (May 2022) made an application to the High Court to seek a judicial review of the fifth Nitrates Action Programme (NAP) announced by the Government in March of this year. 

The application is rooted in the undisputed evidence of continuing deterioration of water quality in Ireland, where all the indicators are negative and continuing in a downward direction. These figures are damning proof that previous NAPs have failed to meet their purpose which is to enable Ireland to fulfill the objectives of the Nitrates Directive.

In that context, we could not responsibly stand by and do nothing. Our decision reflects the core remit of An Taisce to advocate for choices by, and in, Ireland that provide for a more environmentally sustainable future for the country as a whole. The NAP as proposed simply does not provide the level of protection that is needed for water quality in Ireland. 

https://www.antaisce.org/news/statement-from-an-taisce-re-legal-action-in-respect-of-nitrates-action-programme

Akrasia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119270179#Comment_119270179

Because "Taxes"

People who know the price of everything, but not the cost, and know the value of absolutely nothing.

charlie14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119271179#Comment_119271179

None of those are the reason that tea exports, one of Sri Lanka`s largest revenue producing exports, fell by $425 million or that Sri Lanka went from being self sufficient in rice to importing S450 million worth of rice, (and a trade deficit of $875 million for those two crops alone), or that the Yala season cultivation will fail by 50%. Nor is it because imposing regulations of only organic cultivation being allowed was mishandled. It`s simply because on average over all crops organic cultivation yield is 16% lower than conventional yield plus being more labour intensive which adds to the production cost.

The world population is predicted to grow by 50% between now and 2050 on the medium fertility scale, with the vast majority of that growth being in Asia and Africa. Many of those countries even by conventional methods are struggling to feed themselves. The idea that they can do so by organic farming, even at their present population levels, is pie in the sky.

But it`s not just Sri Lanka where some of this green thinking is causing a drop in crop yield. It`s already happening in Europe with the present restrictions on pesticides (and before the latest proposed restrictions) have seen reductions in sugar beet, cereal crops, wheat, both hard and soft, and rapeseed with the current EU wheat crop down 700,000 ha (11 million tons of wheat grain) in one year alone. It`s not just simply due to the war in Ukraine that there is shortages of wheat grain. EU green policy has been a major contributor also when you consider that drop of 11 million tons when Ukraine`s annual wheat grain exports were 20 million tons.

xxxxxxl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119272969#Comment_119272969

I see we have no Green takers on this issue quelle surprise.

xxxxxxl

Gone very quiet in here. Seems one off housing is fine if their doing it. Almost do As I say and not As I do. 🤔

With the feed in tariffs making the sums stack up a lot better, we're likely to see a serious amount of solar being rolled out across homes around the country

RTE news : Solar panels could power 'quarter of Irish households'

http://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2022/0701/1307826-solar-panels-could-power-quarter-of-irish-households/

xxxxxxl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119277796#Comment_119277796

"After the system has paid for itself, between seven and 10 years", What's the life expectancy of these panels ?

SeanW

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119270179#Comment_119270179

I would call a needless artificial famine to be a bad thing. A very bad thing. But I guess that I didn't go to the same college as the gobshites that are currently steering us into dark waters.

https://www.independent.ie/business/farming/news/farming-news/proposed-eu-pesticide-cuts-could-wipe-out-wheat-and-potato-growing-in-ireland-41796011.html

The proposed EU changes to farming rules are reckless and irresponsible beyond belief. Anything that could endanger world food supplies given how one regional war has pushed so many to the brink of starvation, is absolutely mind blowing in the scale of its insanity. Consider the following quote from an agricultural expert referenced in the article above:

“Reducing European food output won’t be felt in Europe, but will be felt by other continents and sub-continents that are not as blessed with water and fertile soils, and rely on imports to exist.”

Read that carefully. Then re-read it. The impact of this should shake any sane person to their core. I would be lost for words trying to describe how absolutely mind blowingly absurd this is, but for the fact that the eco-hippies basically seem to be following this on from their equally insane energy policies.

Like requiring electricity providers to buy power via feed-in-tariffs when it is least needed (e.g. the sun is shining) or wanting to introduce killer wolves into Ireland to "rewild" the countryside while simultaneously carpet bombing it with ugly, bird chomping, bat killing monstrosities (a.k.a. windmills).

Akrasia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119277803#Comment_119277803

significantly more than 20 years

xxxxxxl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119278520#Comment_119278520

Reduce meat production in the EU Import from SA. I wager them huge container ships are sail powered. Beggars belief tbh. Seem to be doing the damn best to shut down EU farming and then wonder why there will be a famine if our supply chains break down. Oh wait that's happening before out eyes.

Akrasia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119278520#Comment_119278520

Its pretty funny that hyperbole is fine when it's objecting to something the fossil fuel industry supports, but when the worlds scientific experts say un-mitigated climate change will cause crop failures and disasters, that's called 'fearmongering'

xxxxxxl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119278551#Comment_119278551

Hard to grow food with little access to fertilizer and the Bread basket of Europe being burnt down. added on top the carbon footprint of the War in Ukraine.

Akrasia

Yeah it is hard, but what are the alternatives. We could give in to Putin. not a viable solution, or we could give in to the fossil fuel sector. also not desirable, or we can allow a crisis to develop, and then let the 'free markets' respond to that crisis by deploying technology to fill the gap.

xxxxxxl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119278573#Comment_119278573

Ofc, But problem is the Energy price of Green supply is tied to the most expensive in the mix. People look at their bills first and then think of the environment. Remove the green taxes and make things more affordable you would bet the farm you would get more buy in from joe public. All stick no carrot. Do you think people leave the taps running the heating on or all the lights 24/7 no because they could not afford to.

Gant21

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119278555#Comment_119278555

You need to stop with the unsustainable food growing.

xxxxxxl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119278601#Comment_119278601

Your right I should get some window boxes job sorted 😁

Danno

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119278573#Comment_119278573

But the European heads are allowing a crisis to develop. Not happy with energy costs amounting to a hugely increased amount of disposable income - they are happy to allow citizens freeze and starve to death across Europe in their pursuit of grandeur ideals - as if to say to the rest of us, you either are with us or against us. Where have we seen this this approach before? The almost DNC Bush 2 and Blair were slightly before their time on that one.

xxxxxxl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119278618#Comment_119278618

You notice when asked about the one off houses they are building. And pointing out 7-10 years panels paying for themselves gets no response. If the panels last 20 years you have saved 9,000 ish. That's not counting the servicing of them cleaning are greens not worried about water rain won't clean them. added on top again new panels don't sound like a great idea for 9k saving. and environmentally disposing of said panels.

Danno

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119278624#Comment_119278624

As a wise old relative once said "they're full of answers, not solutions". never a truer word spoken.

y0ssar1an22

this is a simple solution....

give everyone a car that runs on electricity.

i dont see the issue or the complication.

xxxxxxl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119278639#Comment_119278639

ah the old

Electric car.

......

Profit

😃

xxxxxxl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119278630#Comment_119278630

Your not wrong. What is the carbon footprint of the panels anyway. Is the 9k putting a dint in the carbon produced in making them and scraping them somehow.

y0ssar1an22

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119278642#Comment_119278642

my suggestion is completely sarcastic, but yet some people hold it true.

'let them have cake'.

if people want an end to fossil fuels (in the next 50 years), nuclear seems the only logical step.

us in ireland are too afraid to even talk about it. get more iodine tablets out.

xxxxxxl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119278677#Comment_119278677

Might be my end it's a south park joke that I assume everyone knows.

Akrasia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119278624#Comment_119278624

The 9k savings is a monetary for the individual to install solar PV. But there are also much bigger impacts through increased resilience through collective action. A million rooftop solar pv adds up to a lot of carbon reductions and distributed energy storage

Panels typically have a manufacturing guarantee of 20-25 years but the actual life of them, excluding damage, would exceed that by many years. The guarantees are for the panels to output x% of the original capacity for x years after which point they don't stop working but the output decreases gradually with age.

There are panels made today that will produce power long after many of us have kicked the bucket

charlie14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119273046#Comment_119273046

Not the only government back in court. One of the top 5 major CO2 emitters, the U.S. was back there this week as well. But for more or less the opposite reason.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/30/us/epa-carbon-emissions-scotus.html

On Thursday the U.S. Supreme Court imposed limits on the federal government`s authority to reduce carbon emissions from power plants.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119279702#Comment_119279702

There are few things the US are a shining example of. It really is fubar'ed lol

charlie14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119279723#Comment_119279723

They are a shining example that along with the other 4 countries responsible for 58% of world CO2 emissions they have no intention of doing anything about that. Meanwhile here we have greens determined to wreck our economy, including our agricultural sector, and make beggars of our population.

How anyone can look at those CO2 emission figures and not see this for the farce it is evermore becoming is really beyond understanding.

Fubar btw comes from the German furchtbar. A good choice of word as Germany, that shining example held up by Irish greens for so long to us as the country we should be emulating, will be competing for that 5th place of world top CO2 emissions with them now back to burning coal.