"Green" policies are destroying this country

John_Rambo · 21-10-2021 9:12am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118051814#Comment_118051814

Light urban rail systems have always been and are hugely successful in the capital, none have been relegated to greenways, that happens in rural areas where people refuse to use public transport. Dublin light rail system is used to capacity, indeed it's oversubscribed. Dublin Metro needs to go ahead.

iColdFusion · 21-10-2021 12:32pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118051882#Comment_118051882

Roads make far more sense for a country of our size and population and we still need to keep investing in them to make them better, Cork - Limerick motorway, Ringaskiddy motorway, a Cork-Waterford motorway would be great but not on the cards at the moment, these would involve bypassing loads of traffic blackspots through small towns and villages. Luas type rail systems to bring people from the suburbs to their job in the city everyday are great and I would be in favour of them but intercity travel is typically far better by car, our trains are too slow and expensive to make sense for people and the cost to the exchequer to make them right would be too high compared to spending that money in other sectors such as education or healthcare.

The answer to my greenway point is laid out in your maps, those old rail lines are being converted to cycle paths meaning they can't be recommissioned into rail lines, for instance there will be a greenway from Midleton to New Ross soon enough so these will never again be connected by train, same with Limerick to Tralee, Greenways are a big Green party idea BTW, so why keep banging the train drum when the Greens are spending a million euros a day on casual usage cycle lanes instead of public transport?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118051883#Comment_118051883

Light rail systems might be popular in other Irish cities if they actually had them, you understand Dublin is less than 30% of Ireland's population and hugely expensive to live in right? Maybe the solution is to encourage companies to move out of Dublin reducing demands on its roads and public transport by spending that €3billion on light rail in other cities?

John_Rambo · 21-10-2021 1:57pm

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44% actually, almost half, with 70% of people living urban. And yes, as I've already stated earlier on, the cities need to be prioritised, light rail (already proved to be successful in Ireland) needs to be in Galway, Limerick and Cork, Dublin needs to be improved. Enough of the motorways, more public transport.

dudley72 · 21-10-2021 2:00pm

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Sorry but we don’t need a lot of those motorway, as you say nice to haves and pointless. The only one is maybe the cork to Limerick which is already approved. As soon as you build those someone else will come up with another nice to have road which at this stage is pointless and a waste of money

iColdFusion · 21-10-2021 2:26pm

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Dublin's population is almost 2.5million? I know Dublin people think they are worth twice what one culchie is but you might want to check with the CSO!

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118053124#Comment_118053124

Well you say that and I say billions into rail is pointless and a waste of money so I guess we'll have to agree to disagree!

John_Rambo · 21-10-2021 3:32pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118053341#Comment_118053341

44% of the State's total urban population (where light rail is very very successful and more is needed) live in Dublin and 70% of the countries population lives urban (where urban light rail is needed). There are cities outside Dublin you know? They're just as deserving as the capital.

magicbastarder · 21-10-2021 4:02pm

a million euros a day on building cycle lanes, as has been pointed out above. sure that's the equivalent of building 10-12km of motorway a year, if you look at the cost.

RandomViewer · 21-10-2021 4:16pm

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If its oversubscribed why do Dublin bus have the begging bowl out every six months?

John_Rambo · 21-10-2021 6:03pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118053895#Comment_118053895

Because of all the capital cities in Europe Dublin has least subsidised public transport. The money made in the capital is flooding out of it to build motorways that service less people than an improved public transport in the capital and other cities. The new proposed motorway from Cork to Limerick will have an average of 3,000 people using it a day, the DART - 75,000 journeys every day, Dublin Bus even more.

gozunda · 23-10-2021 8:26pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118047071#Comment_118047071

I'd agree. All such discussion tends to diverted to bashing farming regardless of the topic.

10000maniacs · 25-10-2021 9:36pm

Yes I think Green policies are destroying this country.

There should be a differentiation between regenerative carbon emission like cattle grazing and non generative carbon emission like the mining and burning of fossil fuels.

Fossil fuels have built up on the Earths crust for millions of years while livestock agriculture is in a different place both morally and ethically.

There should be a lot more leeway given to agricultural emissions.

Also, Ireland being dependent on Russia for fuel is a direct consequence of closing down the peat bog power stations. They should be re-opened up already.

The EU depending on Russian fossil fuel while closing down their own fossil fuel powered stations is ridiculous.

magicbastarder · 25-10-2021 9:59pm

cattle farming is regenerative? what about the methane?

10000maniacs · 25-10-2021 10:15pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118072428#Comment_118072428

Yes it regenerates the land, balances the ecosystem while giving employment to many people in the process.

magicbastarder · 25-10-2021 10:26pm

what about the methane?

25-10-2021 10:26pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117988044#Comment_117988044

That desert boneyard is full of metals and very little composite and they haven't been shredded yet as there are potentially useful parts on those airframes to be re-used. That is one of the 3 Rs...re-use.

Pussyhands · 25-10-2021 10:53pm

How about the people who want to tackle climate change do so by not having children and the people who are willing to accept the consequences of modern living have the choice of having kids or not.

Climate change action = increased poverty.

It's painful listening to greens etc on the radio talking about climate change and Ireland and then they're ramping up emissions like fcuk in India and Brazil! Putting Irish farmers out of work while the slack is just taken up by 20 million extra cattle in Brazil.

25-10-2021 11:03pm

private jet hire is a huge business in the U.S.

https://www.aviacionline.com/2021/10/netjets-extends-embraer-phenom-300e-order-to-a-1-2-billion-deal/

Anything Ireland does is futile.

and when the U.S. do embrace "green" ideologies they do it in a perverse counterproductive way.

Hummer EVs F150 EVs, Rivians. all approaching 3 tons needing near 100kwh batteries.

Even a Mach-e is 2.2 tons.

Before the pandemic they were selling 18m cars a year in the US with no less than 3 million cars on forecourts at any time rather than built to order.

Heated Pools and air-con are the order of the day for 5000 sq ft. homes.

If you believe Ireland is at risk from climate change then build flood Defences because it is clear that others aren't reading from the same hymn book.

magicbastarder · 25-10-2021 11:27pm

ah yes, ireland, second biggest emitter in the EU per capita says 'why should we do anything?'

meanwhile, the current state of affairs on deciding who to tackle ths situation

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25-10-2021 11:44pm

How about a picture where a 2 inch tall spiderman is pointing fingers at a 20ft tall spiderman. That would be some way equivalent to the situation as it pertains.

Do you honestly believe that Ireland's impact will be in any way "meaningful"?

Or do you think that the U.S. or China will follow our example because it is the "right" thing to do when they haven't shown even one iota of interest in how more virtuous Countries conducted themselves in the past.

standardg60 · 25-10-2021 11:49pm

Announcements from the climate change advisory council today sound very much like those given by the pensions committee, take the can and kick it down the road, lest the current powers endanger their position in power.

Climate change provisions will never have any affect on those who make them, they will still be able to pay for their private yachts, planes, cars, and houses while forcing others out of business.

As an instance, how is it justifiable to constrict farmers providing beef, whilst still enjoying steak?

Throughout history man has only been consistent in one thing, the destruction of his lesser fellows for their own gain, climate change will be no different

RandomViewer · 25-10-2021 11:56pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118072832#Comment_118072832

We aren't second,it's one of those spin things

https://www.worldometers.info/co2-emissions/co2-emissions-per-capita/

c.p.w.g.w · 25-10-2021 11:59pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118072544#Comment_118072544

There's a natural cycle with recycles methane...also without cattle, sheep, deer etc we won't have top soil...

magicbastarder · 26-10-2021 12:04am

methane is 50 times more powerful than CO2 as a GHG, over a 20 year period. the fact that there's a natural cycle is moot.

c.p.w.g.w · 26-10-2021 12:10am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118072897#Comment_118072897

But the methane that we are releasing for the most part isn't outside that natural range ...unlike carbon, which the planet has sequestered and we are pissing it into the environment

magicbastarder · 26-10-2021 12:13am

your point is still moot. we're taking CO2 from the atmosphere and converting it to a much more powerful GHG. if we didn't, there'd be less of that more powerful GHG in the atmosphere.