"Green" policies are destroying this country

Akrasia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119379015#Comment_119379015

Love the whataboutery. Political activists are allowed to have political campaigns. These are people acting to demand change for something they believe in.

The fossil fuel industry are funding disinformation campaigns to protect their own financial interests.

Do you believe corporations should have human rights?

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119379393#Comment_119379393

say wha?

Darth Putin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119379691#Comment_119379691

same could have been accomplished for cheaper with nuclear power

Instead we are following a path making us ever more reliant on foreign gas

Mecanudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119379728#Comment_119379728

Well yes it is a thread critical of some of the utterly daft 'green' policies being bandied about.

As for the very long copy and paste job (not a 'description' btw) and having to wade through it to find a point (which was what I highlighted btw). Thing is non stop plastering the thread with walls of copied text from some government Web page and going "good job" or similar simply comes across as little more than cheerleading. Oddly enough there's another dedicated thread specifically created for that type of content and it gets virtually no comments. What gives?

"One side is mostly slogganeering"

Lol. So again you're summing up everyone you disagree as "one side". Lol. Sure thing. Don't change Akrasia!

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119379770#Comment_119379770

nuclear just inst an option right now, as a country, we re currently extremely anti nuclear, it would be impossible to get the planning of a reactor off paper, let alone built....

Darth Putin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119379782#Comment_119379782

Maybe, imho Irish society has changed (see abortion and gay marriage)

tho the alternative is banning turf, destroying national herd, ever rising gas and electricity prices, continuing sending billions to others and so on

there are multiple choices to reach net zero, we are not even having a national conversation about it, just following unscientific ideas of Green Party who continue to follow and copy the brain dead policy that got Germany in so much trouble

is_that_so

The compromise farming emissions plan seems to involve farmers being assigned a lower short-term emissions target with a caveat that it could be raised higher later in the decade if methane-inhibiting technologies prove viable. For that deal they'll also need to invest in solar panels. Story in BP, but paywalled obviously.

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119379868#Comment_119379868

yes, we are changing, but nuclear does seem to be one of those subjects which most countries struggle to accept, and understandably so, i suspect we ll only truly accept it when we start to experience serious energy supply issues, which probably isnt too far away now...

there are actually alternatives available to us right now, but we seem to be stumbling to implement these also, irelands alternative is off shore wind, but an astonishing level of state investment is required to make this happen, but its not happening at a rate thats sufficient...

yes, we re not taking these issues seriously enough, but what unscientific ideas are we following?

Loafing Oaf

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119379889#Comment_119379889

caveat that it could be raised higher later in the decade

read: after the next general election...

cnocbui

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119375175#Comment_119375175

It could be exactly the situation. CO2 and global temperatures rise before the onset of glaciation events, usually misnamed as ice ages.

You also get the gulfstream that warms Europe, slowing then stopping, which is what might be happening now. You can't blame that one on human activity and CO2 because it's been slowing for possibly millenia and the recent acceleration in rate of slowing seems to have started in the mid 1800's

The previous interglacial period lasted for between 11,000 and 14,000 years, depending on who's estimate you use, and was called the Eemian Interglacial, and it was probably warmer on average than our current Holocene. The Holocene interglacial began 11,650 years ago.

Believe it or not, but we are currently living in one of the coldest eras the planet has ever experienced. The panic and hysteria over current warming is itself alarming as it seems so incredibly disconected from reality and stating that global average temperatures are reaching levels never seen before is so far from the truth it's mind boggling that it's being believed.

Similarly for statements about life on earth being threatened by a piddling little 2° rise from the current global average of about 16°C. There is likly to be more life on earth if that happens than there presently is. The optimum for photosynthesis is around 25°C. Warmer and more CO2 is ideal for plant growth, as the fossil record proves. As you also need water for plant growth, that too probably increases. Talk of global droughts, desertification and Earth turning into Arrakis are so much BS it's unbelievable that this nonsense is being peddled or believed.

cnocbui

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119375467#Comment_119375467

We have the same methane output as in 1990 - burp.

Don't tell Eamon, though, because he will just lie his socks off and produce more BS than the total from the entire Irish cattle herd.

Banana Republic 1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119379770#Comment_119379770

Which county in Ireland would you propose a nuclear plant to be located ?

cnocbui

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119379782#Comment_119379782

Covid showed that we can flush the constitution down the toilet and imprison the populace in their own homes if it's felt the need is great enough; just need the right amount of scare and spin.

Just lie about 40°C temperatures across Ireland every summer and having to replace all the cattle with goats, on account of the huge inland desert stretching from the urban fringes of cork to the border and you could sell anything.

charlie14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119379782#Comment_119379782

We currently are not extremely anti nuclear according to a recent survey by Think Ireland which showed 46% in favour with 46% opposed, with 60% of the 18 - 24 year old age group bring in favour.

Interestingly from the general election of 2020, the highest percentage vote the Green Party received from all age groups was from the same 18 -24 demographic

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119380177#Comment_119380177

...people were not imprisoned during covid, many of us were relatively freely wondering around during it, we re not living in china!

cnocbui

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119380164#Comment_119380164

Clare or Limerick, on the Shannon estuary seem like an obvious one. Far enough from the main users in Dublin for them to be semi-happy. Stick it on the east coast a couple k south of the border, for extra lols.

Akrasia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119379868#Comment_119379868

The alternative to nuclear is for Ireland to invest heavily in offshore wind given our natural advantage in this area. We can use Nuclear through interconnectors but it's nothing but a distraction given Ireland's lack of a nuclear industry or any political or regulatory infrastructure

We could deploy 10gw of floating offshore wind and several GW in solar in less time than it would take to even get the first sod turned on a nuclear power plant in Ireland

Agrivoltaic systems can even allow farmers to use the same land that they use to grow crops to also produce electricity

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119380213#Comment_119380213

try get that through the planning process!

cnocbui

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119380193#Comment_119380193

"March 27- Full lockdown

On March 27, Ireland was placed on full lockdown with all non essential journeys banned for two weeks.

The only exceptions are for travelling to essential work, to shop for food or household goods, for healthcare appointments, and for vital family reasons.

• Travelling to and from work where work is an essential health, social care or other essential service that can't be done from home.
• To shop for essential food and household goods or attend medical appointments and collect medicines.
• For vital family reasons such as providing care to children, elderly or vulnerable people but excluding social family visits.
• To take brief physical exercise within 2km of your own home, as well as for farming purposes and food production.

Meanwhile, all public gatherings outside a family household or single unit were first prohibited.

A further range of non essential services and businesses were instructed to close their doors which included a large number of retail stores, gyms and sports facilities.

The Taoiseach also announced cocooning would be introduced which saw those aged 70 and over confined to their homes."

...

"IRELAND'S Covid-19 lockdown is the strictest in Europe, and the fourth strictest in the world, a new study has revealed.

Experts at the University of Oxford have compiled together data from the pandemic responses of 180 countries around the globe.

They've examined how strict the rules are in each nation, and created an index to determine which countries currently have the toughest lockdowns, called the Coronavirus Response Tracker.

Ireland ranks fourth on the list, with only Cuba, Eritrea and Honduras having tougher measures in place."

Are you a politician, by any chance; you seem perfectly qualified? Failure of memory, extremely economical with the truth...

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119380252#Comment_119380252

thank you, but again there was actually many of us wondering around during these lockdowns, and there werent sharp shooters around the place making sure we werent breaking the rules, which many of us were, and things were all grand, again, we dont live in china!

Akrasia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119380240#Comment_119380240

I think cnocbui is trying to say that the planning process can be ignored for nuclear on the basis that the government implemented strict emergency lockdowns in 2020

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119380269#Comment_119380269

hahaha, yea right, heres an idea, no it cant be, just try it, and see what happens!

cnocbui

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119380269#Comment_119380269

The planning process is a creation of governments, it can be changed, sidelined or ignored at government will. An Bord Pleanála and An Taisce only have voices because governemnts gave them one - they can readily be taken away, and should be, if you genuinly believe in the climate catastrophism and declarations of emergency.

Mecanudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119380240#Comment_119380240

Should be a breeze after all the orchrastrated protests by various green lobby groups against the Shannon LNG terminal seem to have fizzled out and when Ryan isn't in situ trying to interfer in the planning process.

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119380323#Comment_119380323

go way outta that nonsense, propose a reactor in anyone's back garden, and there would be mayhem, and not just from the greens!

charlie14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119380012#Comment_119380012

I`m not sure the whole off shore wind thing stacks up. Even from a cursory glance.

Cnocbui posted a very interesting link on U.K.offshore wind capacity factors which showed the latest 12 month rolling capacity factor at 42.2%. Post#11033.

We know from last Winter and this Spring on shore turbines for extended periods provided 6% and less of our electricity needs. From that for on shore to provide our needs a multiple of 16 times would not have provided 100%. With an average rolling capacity factor of 42.2% then twice the number of the current on shore turbines would not reach that 100%. 3 times as many would still be undependable as wee know there is no consistent average wind. That is a lot of off shore turbines with a cost that is anybody`s guess.

Mecanudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119380336#Comment_119380336

Nonsense yourself 🤪

As Charlie has shown - there's already support for nuclear power here. The fact that a bunch of nimbys and/or orchrastrated green lobby groups tend to make the most noise about these things - is not a reason to forgo modern nuclear technology to ensure a reliable source of energy. Tbh I see no issue finding a suitable location considering the size of the country.

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119380350#Comment_119380350

cost of off shore has tumbled, its now possible to have windfarms up and running within a couple of years, and the debts required to be paid back within a few years of operations, time has never been better, and with interlinks in the mix, we should be fine....

is_that_so

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119380021#Comment_119380021

Sure, but better an actual half deal in 2022 that can probably be implemented. It gives cover on all sides, agriculture showing they can do their bit and politicians to show that they are actually working on it.

Loafing Oaf

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119380431#Comment_119380431

Looks like Ryan is not going to push things to the point of risking an early general election. which I guess makes sense even from a Green activist's POV...