"Green" policies are destroying this country

charlie14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119425537#Comment_119425537

What has that got to do with the the post you are replying to which was i relation to the cuts in cattle in our beef and dairy herds ?

If you are so keen to reply to my posts why don`t you reply to the questions I have asked you. Why don`t you start with this one.

You posted based on one report from an organisation whose raison d`etre is the promotion of organic farming claiming yield were the same or even greater farming organically that flew in the face of three independent reports posted here. Flies in the face of my own experience and that of any organic grower I have ever talked too. That report mentioned wheat, but mysteriously from what I could see, didn`t give yields for wheat. I asked you what those yield were compared to conventional farming. Mentioned it again to you but still nothing. First 5 year yields will be grand. I look forward to seeing them.

Btw, you seem to be an authority on all things related to agriculture. Have you actually every raised any animals or grown any fruit or vegetables ? I would not rate myself an authority, but I was brought up on a farm. One my brother still farms and for years I was a member of IOFGA.

Danzy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119423245#Comment_119423245

There are people alive who couldn't imagine frost on the inside of the bedroom window.

Mind blowing.

Akrasia

More about Nuclear not being reliable in heatwaves

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/aug/03/edf-to-reduce-nuclear-power-output-as-french-river-temperatures-rise

charlie14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119425401#Comment_119425401

Yeah, the answers are always of the how long is a piece of string variety. According to Forbes, (and there are some who say that it is a very conservative figure) Germany to date has spent 150 billion euro.Our percentage of renewables is roughly the same as theirs, so allowing for the difference in population size that would leave us at around 10 billion euro to date.

I haven`t seen that Michael Moore documentary, but soon as I get a chance I will.

dePeatrick

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119426226#Comment_119426226

It’s on YouTube for free, Well worth seeing, in fact shocking. Yes the figures I’ve seen run into tens of billions of dollars that have been spent (badly) on climate change and almost impossible to count what has been spent by grants to so called climate scientists and research groups across the world plus climate change departments in governments.

I don’t know how to embed a YouTube link but here it is:

https://youtu.be/Zk11vI-7czE

Pa ElGrande

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119425629#Comment_119425629

When it cannot be used to grow food the land will be converted to its next most valuable use. Where I'm currently sitting in the hills of the SouthWest, that is the gradual expansion of conifer plantations with wind turbines covering the horizon as far as the eye can see. The local creamery and supplies depot is gone, milk is now stored on site for several days in tanks that require cooling 24x7 before being bulk collected. The local shops and pubs have closed as the proprietors died, nearest Tesco or Lidl is 13 KM away. The population has been growing in the area with most people employed in the service industry (biggest employer for women are the HSE, while biggest employer for men tend to revolve around farming services, repairs & construction). Practically all of work must drive to work, dormer villages if you like. The nature of farming has changed since I first arrived here from the UK, from small scale dairy, beef and pigs and some chickens and the last holdouts that kept working horses and donkeys ending then, to much more capital intensive, bigger scale operations that specialise in one product, mainly dairy or beef. The cattle breeds are also changing from the Frisians that took over from the 1950s to other breeds.

Farming is all about efficiency, it requires a lot of capital investment, that is all based on finance and future income. Green policies are aimed at cutting food production and consequently the income and margins of the farming operators, this eventually turns into bad debts (& more farmer suicide) which in turn affects the banking sector. If you think we have a problem now with vulture funds hovering up the housing stock in urban areas, wait till you see what happens to the landscape when they start buying out the land.

Mecanudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119426636#Comment_119426636

If you think we have a problem now with vulture funds hovering up the housing stock in urban areas, wait till you see what happens to the landscape when they start buying out the land.

To the chargrin of the greens, Ireland currently has a fairly successful agri-food industry much of which goes for exports to our trading partners within the EU and the UK. For some reason the the greens seem to think the export market is OK for other sectors such as pharmaceuticals but not for agriculture.

Its no surprise that the greens have an ideological hatred of just about any type of livestock based farming and instead propose their own bizarre model of an arable/ horticultural farming sector restricted to supplying produce for the domestic market only.

The greens current proposals are for large parts of the farming sector to be shut down and what remains to be diverted into growing crops. The fact that or climate or soils is not suited to extensive horticultural or arable commercial production is conveniently ignored. Or that margins in the horticultural sector are so low that within Europe such labour intensive crops are increasingly outsourced outside Europe where labour is cheap and standards are questionable.

How Irish agriculture forced in the greens ideological vision of organic "plant foods" is supposed to survive against such competition is always omitted. Ryans et al ideas about reintroduction of wolves and goodness knows what is simply the icing on the top of the sorry mess proposed by the greens.

And again yet more clueless green policies destroying the country

ps200306

Another blow for the Greens' daft policies. ESRI reckons that the roll out of heat pumps to 30% of homes could add 46% to power system costs. It would be more expensive than "technology neutral" options like carbon capture and storage.

https://www.esri.ie/news/new-research-suggests-that-electric-heating-will-increase-generation-costs-and-decrease

is_that_so

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119427229#Comment_119427229

We already have access to a plentiful supply of heat pumps so it's not an illogical choice. It's very useful to conduct such research but the alternatives just don't even exist yet so it's a moot point if we can't actually use them for a decade or more.

patnor1011

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119422208#Comment_119422208

Problem is that it is you guys who is constantly wrong about basic stuff. We were supposed to be under the water already from all that ice melting. Not to mention all other crap predicted in the last 20 years. All new predictions including notion that CO2 and nitrogen are responsible for global warming pretty much falls in the same cathegory: science-fiction.

ps200306

Greens continue to destroy the country. In May's RESS 2 wind power auction we agreed an average strike price that is 100% greater than recent wholesale electricity prices. Will be interesting to see the prices for the first offshore auction, ORESS 1, which may happen this autumn. Six of the seven projects in the running are in the near offshore off the east coast. They're not in the fabled Atlantic high wind areas, presumably because we can't offer grid connections there and/or the deeper water technology isn't viable yet. I presume, like RESS 2, that means they are in sub-optimal locations. No doubt we will be paying through the nose again.

Ironically, it seems like the government may have rode roughshod over environmental concerns in designating east coast sandbanks for the developments, which will have massive turbines up to a thousand ft (320m) high:

https://iwt.ie/dodgy-dealings-under-the-sea/

The only one of the seven projects that's off the west coast is Scerd Rock. The company bidding for it was bought out by an international investment bank who has interests in petroleum and water utilities as well as renewables. After buying Thames Water they loaded it up with debt and were responsible for dumping 1.4 billion litres of raw sewage into the River Thames.

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-41152516

No doubt we can trust Ryan to drive a crappy deal with dodgy suppliers.

ps200306

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119427290#Comment_119427290

Why, what's the rush?

pauly58

It's hardly democratic when a party that 93% of the electorate didn't vote for are calling the shots.

They way we're going we will be sitting in the cold & dark as well as being hungry, but hell, we're doing our bit for climate change.

is_that_so

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119427390#Comment_119427390

It's a programme for government that was agreed between all three parties and the other two are committed to going down this path, plus there are those EU fines to be concerned about.

Shoog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119427305#Comment_119427305

Simply wrong on every count. Sea level rise is predicted to happen over centuries, about 30cm a century here in Ireland.

You have been listening to propegandists.

charlie14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119425629#Comment_119425629

So what are you saying, that a 25% cut to farming is for farmers own good ?

I thought it was to reduce GHG emissions, but you know what, in the mind of greens that kind of inane thinking probably make sense. Or at least make as much sense as that by cutting up to 2 million cattle from or herds that it is going to reduce emissions globally when just one country alone is increasing their herds by 24 million cattle.

There was a green mantra doing the rounds here some time back that by flagellating our population and economy those that are the real problem globally would see the error of their ways and follow our example. I haven`t seen that mantra for a while now. Not surprised because anybody with an iota of sense sees those that are the real problem are not following our example. They haven`t the slightest inclination in doing so. Their time and efforts are taken up with safeguarding their economies. The only time the look to our "good example" is when they want to have a good laugh and our Green Party is the joke that just keeps on giving.

charlie14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119427412#Comment_119427412

For greens E.U. fines are very much a movable feast. A big stick to beat with when it suits, but to be ignored when it doesn`t suit as is the case with energy security where even our own regulator points out we are not in compliance.

But then we have a bit of a history in that regard. Not long ago we had a government and even a European Commissioner lying to us on E.U. fines when they knew the ECJ had put the kibosh on that.

charlie14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119427378#Comment_119427378

Your a terrible old cynic.

I have no doubt we will be flooded with posts here shortly by all those that were going through Barryroe`s past with a fine tooth-comb praising Ryan for what many here saw as his hand-sitting as nothing other than him exercising due diligence and will now be calling on Ryan to do the same with this dodgy looking Australian bank.

Just you wait, it will happen any second now.🤣

Akrasia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119422920#Comment_119422920

We also need to prioritise our resources.

Here's an analogy

If I have an old, nearing the end of it's service life, washing machine that is working ok but is making a funny noise, there is a chance it could break and leave me without that useful utility for a while. I cannot afford to buy a new washing machine until next year

I have a choice, spend money now to get the repairman out to investigate the sound, which may cost half the price of the new washing machine, which will also delay my purchase of a replacement one, or I can live with the risk of the washing machine breaking down before the new one arrives, and deal with the consequences if it happens.

The long term solution is to buy the new washing machine, this resolves the short term risk of the old one breaking prematurely. Delaying this purchase by dealing with the short term risk means there is a risk of the washing machine breaking again, and also increases my running costs as the new washing machine is much more energy efficient than the old one.

Mecanudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119427412#Comment_119427412

Like fuk it was. Much of the current "green' policies being pushed through come from the greens programme for government and where they have threatened to take down the three party coalition if they didn't get their way. They've already wrangled a 51% sectoral emission reduction back in 2021 when the agreed EU target of 30% was already plenty to be getting on with. Meaning we are the only country with the exception of the Netherlands that have effectively hung our economy out to dry. We've also had lies told about EU fines where there were no EU fines.

is_that_so

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119427923#Comment_119427923

Aa I said it was signed off in the programme for government but you are welcome to continue ranting about how 3 really means one. For the main two parties there were no major deal breakers in the Green demands. You also seem to be energetically overegging the numpty empty threats. Shape throwing is normal in government formation and no politician can resist a beckoning mic!

Mecanudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119427950#Comment_119427950

Signed off after the usual gp shenanigans. No idea why some are trying to deny that tactic when it has been fairly comprehensively reported. Threats and lies as a means of ramroding a one interests party ideological goals over agreed EU targets but also above issues such as fuel and food security beggers belief. That you chose to flag wave any of that is even more gobsmacking tbh.

tom1ie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119423192#Comment_119423192

Well said.

Some people on this thread have no sense of compromise.

They want to get rid of gas- fine, but wait until there is an alternative!

Mecanudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119427920#Comment_119427920

Hope you have the money for that new washing machine 👍

ps200306

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119427290#Comment_119427290

Why, what's the rush?

Darth Putin

In meantime Russians are flaring gas fields for months on end

releasing more co2 than this country makes in decades

https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/wfxzjr/russia_is_now_burning_natural_gas_in_large_enough/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119427923#Comment_119427923

Meaning we are the only country with the exception of the Netherlands that have effectively hung our economy out to dry.

All available data seems to suggest that the economy is going great

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2022/0804/1313906-cso-unemployment-figures/

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/2022/08/03/record-tax-receipts-deliver-5bn-surplus-for-government/

tom1ie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119427920#Comment_119427920

Grand.

where do I get the money for this new washing machine🧐

Mecanudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119428650#Comment_119428650

More denial, deflection and disinformation?

Don't think you read both the articles you linked. From the IT

The stronger-than-expected performance comes despite the surge in inflation, now running at over 9 per cent, which is likely to erode the living standards of most Irish households this year.

The Government admitted that some of the additional receipts from VAT and excise duty were the result of higher prices generally.

It also noted a “significant deceleration in growth” in sales tax receipts in July, reflecting, in part, the fading of these “base effects”. Officials are also warning that inflation and higher living costs are likely to negatively impact VAT receipts later in the year.

But the greens are now claiming post covid restrictions Increases in tax uptake and increased employment are theirs. Sure 😅

Eitherway fuq all to do with recent gp policies designed to give our economy (in addition to the above problems) a kick in the goulies in the near future.

tom1ie

I haven’t seen much of the news as I’m on holiday at the moment, sunning myself by a pool (acolytes probably won’t like that…..)- has ER announced plans to build CNG tanks on state owned land anywhere in the country and pledged to have these built and connected to the gas grid in time for winter 2023-thus giving us security of supply to our gas and electric grid?

Just wondering- he is energy minister after all isn’t he?