"Green" policies are destroying this country

tom1ie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119509647#Comment_119509647

Interconnectors only supply electricity to the Irish grid if the other country has electricity to sell- probably not a good idea to be depending on interconnectors to keep the lights on.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119511006#Comment_119511006

I think thats answered in the post you quoted

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119511128#Comment_119511128

Exactly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119511448#Comment_119511448

Ah yes, SF, who go out of their way to not commit to anything at all on environmental policies in public while at the same time voting for all environmental legislation that has been proposed in the last few years. I don't think they're going to be the great hope you think they will be. Same as in govt finance, it'll be a case of steady-as-she-goes rather than anything like to rock the boat

Besides, SF may well need to GP to form a govt the next time around, in which case who do you think is going to end up with the environment & transportation briefs.

Indeed if the GP had a strong enough showing they would even push for the agri brief too. The 3 of those together, under GP control, would see real environmental gains for the country. Unlikely to happen of course, they won't field enough candidates to get to that size but who knows

tom1ie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119511602#Comment_119511602

Nope.

The blackouts will occur because of lack of investment in our fossil fuel infrastructure.

CNG storage should have been built along with an LNG terminal.

Imagine we depend on importing 70% of our gas from a non eu country.

That’s government mismanagement and who has the energy portfolio?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119511679#Comment_119511679

You do realise the European grid is interconnected, right? Having a interconnector to France does not mean only pulling from French sources

Electric in blue (includes operational and planned)

charlie14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119511719#Comment_119511719

You do realise don`t you that we do not have an interconnector to France don`t you and we will not have one until at least 2027.

Irish green`s, like Germany, got way ahead of themselves shutting down conventional plants, legislating to prevent and attempting to legislate to ensure there was no other options other than their make believe that intermittent unreliable renewables would fill the supply gap. It`s been obvious to anyone that cared to look for quite some time now that it was a fallacy, and now obvious to even those that refused to look that the birds are coming home to roost.

charlie14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119511346#Comment_119511346

Far as I can see there is a lot more anger being directed at them than in 2007 and the latest fcuk up isn`t going to lessen it.

If it`s very much the Irish Green Party`s times, then it must also be very much the the Labour Party`s time with both polling within the margin of error and Labour are generally regarded as a dead party walking.

Support for the Green Party is now at 3%. Less than half the 7.1% they got in the last GE and they are sitting on seats they snaffled due to Sinn Fein not running enough candidates. Sinn Fein are not going to make the same mistake again.

charlie14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119511602#Comment_119511602

No they won`t. We do not get gas from Russia and it is nothing to do with gas.

If it was then why is the answer now to build 9 more gas fired plants when we have no way of storing gas and we have no LNG either ?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119512230#Comment_119512230

You do realise don`t you that we do not have an interconnector to France don`t you and we will not have one until at least 2027.

Already covered that in a post earlier in the day 😊

charlie14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119512595#Comment_119512595

If you did then you those gas fired plants have real thrown you out of kilter if you forgot that quickly 😁

PommieBast

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119511482#Comment_119511482

How much of their support was transfers though? A lot of TDs got elected from SF surpluses.

Danno

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119509647#Comment_119509647

Noticed how you conveniently skipped over his point...

• Our housing stock has to increase in the order of tens of thousands in the next few years to support our constantly growing population, which will cause further load on the grid and more people all trying to cook their dinner during the 5PM-7PM peak time

On one hand you want less consumed, on another you want more consumers arriving in Ireland.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119513209#Comment_119513209

Play the ball not the man

Danno

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119513247#Comment_119513247

I don't know who you are, nor do I care much - but the policies you support on here are fair game, and when these policies collide - they're even fairer to highlight.

Not everything is personal.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119513257#Comment_119513257

I find the xenophobic "stop immigrants to save the planet" argument boring and lacking imagination.

I used to find it hilarious, now it just bores me.

xxxxxxl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119513257#Comment_119513257

You see the thinking is there are just a bunch of extension cords you can plug into and a Grid that can sustain infinite growth. And water pipes are stretchy. With our own housing crisis before people were added on top we are already putting massive pressure on electricity and water. They need to be upgraded in line with building the houses we already need without adding on top. Answer seems to be to add more windmills to our current problem with the Grid. Not even taking into account houses are already needed. And they need power. That needs more windmills on top of the windmills they just put in.

Danno

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119513271#Comment_119513271

We have a census every five years to assist with planning, knowing how many people we have of various age groups, where they live and so on - so we can plan with good forecast how many creches, schools, houses, hospitals, care centres, power stations, energy demands, and so forth that we will require and thus have decent lead in time to implement these vital societal needs.

You advocate for artificially inflating our population levels without limits. This hinders the State's ability to adequately plan and provide all the aforementioned societal needs. Artificially increasing the population puts further strain on our environmental resources also.

But, you get to feel good because you're sticking the boot into the Irish native whilst labelling them a xenophobe and a racist whilst hand waving away any negatives of the policies you clamour for. Those policies, once scrutinised are revealed by and large to be a shitpot and those who stir said pot should be first in line to lick the spoon.

is_that_so

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119512288#Comment_119512288

From you and others on this thread sure and that will clearly never change. For sheer collective rage you need to look at 2007 and Labour in 1997. You're also misrepresenting what 3% nationally looks like. It never ceases to amuse me how posters automatically jump on a negative margin of error with parties they detest.

The Green are basically an urban party and their potential TDs are often an attractive option in suburban areas where mature people who have a fondness for the environment and like to see themselves as slightly leftie, really not the kind of people who vote SF. I also think you underestimate just how strong environmental concerns are in the very young but as always the question there is whether they will vote. The SF transfer claims doesn't hold up either. 6% in 2007 got them 6 seats. Here's a reminder of how some of them got in in 2020.

• Ryan topped the poll
• Martin was in competition with FG in Rathdown
• O'Brien had a quota of 0.79 in FPVs in Fingal
• O'Gorman beat off both Labour and FG in Dublin West and was next highest in FPVs
• Matthews in Wicklow had a better FPV quota than Donnelly

Mebuntu

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119511523#Comment_119511523

Anyone who was around in the last century when we had long periods of power cuts will remember the misery every time the power was cut off.

There is even much more reliance on electricity in today's world.

Everyone should set aside even 20 minutes to jot down everything that will not be available to them when the power goes off:

A. at your house, (don't forget your electric vehicle if you have one and the contents of your fridge)

B. in your local area (don't forget traffic lights, petrol stations, your local takeaways)

C. in your workplace

D. in other areas you normally frequent

When you have completed the list you will see why you should never give the Greens any hope of being in Government again.

It's been mentioned here before that Ireland's current climate action plan and associated legislation only came about after the previous plan was thrown out by the Supreme Court after climate group Friends of the Irish Environment challenged it for being, well, crap.

Since then more and more activists are taking up legal action against govts around the world with approx 2,000 such cases in progress at the moment.

One of the bigger ones is going to the European Court on Human Rights and has been fast tracked due to the significance of it so should be heard in early 2023.

The case is challenging climate action plans for 33 European countries as being inadequate.

So, if they win it will force those countries to go back (in Ireland's case, again) and redo their plans to make them more effective in tackling climate change.

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2022/0823/1318257-climate-case/

Loafing Oaf

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119512288#Comment_119512288

Yep SF are going to swallow all the other left/progressive parties. Greens will be doing well to come back with 3 or 4. This guy is calling just the one for them

https://irishelectionprojections.com/

Akrasia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119509647#Comment_119509647

Its mad, the demonisation of the greens is an entirely fact free zone

ginger22

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119514261#Comment_119514261

yes its amazing that 90% of the population think they are nutters. I wonder why.

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119513772#Comment_119513772

....so its entirely the greens fault that we have not expanded our power network enough over the last few decades, in order to keep up with demand...

...its entirely the greens fault that have encouraged major power consumption industries into the country such as data centers etc....

................

really!

tom1ie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119514523#Comment_119514523

Which minister does the energy portfolio sit with?

What party does he belong to again?

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119514586#Comment_119514586

yes we all know this, but has he and his party always fulfilled this role, as many of these types of issues have been known for years, if not decades, and have been brought to governments attention throughout by represented bodies! these issues did not just appear out of no where, over the last couple of years, again, the relevant bodies have been warning each past governments over these issues, so here we are! yes the greens as lost in their portfolio, but no, they alone have not caused it!

ginger22

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119514606#Comment_119514606

And the greens dont throw their toys out of the pram if they dont get their way

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119514684#Comment_119514684

what!

yes, the greens do play a role in this government, and yes, they will push back at the other members of the government, in order to fulfill their brief as best as possible, this is what generally happens in governments!

charlie14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119513689#Comment_119513689

It`s nothing to do with how I or others feel about the Green Party, and you appear confused as to what political polls represent.

They are carried out on the basis of a representative sampling of voters preferences nationally. Not just urban voters preferences. Nationally in the GE 2020 they received 7.1% of the vote garnering 12 seats, polls now show them on 3%. Just to put that 3% in context, 2016 Greens nationally got 2.7% of the vote and won 2 seats.

Interesting that you believe Sinn Fein not running enough candidates had no bearing on the number of seats the Greens won in 2020 and your mention of the 2007 GE. If the Greens won 6 seats with 6% of the vote then would it not be a very strange anomaly under the PR system to go from 6 seats with 6% of the national vote to 12 seats with 7.1% ?

In the past where young voters and the greens are concerned I went more or less by the, if you are young and not a liberal you have no heart, if you are older and are not a conservative you have no brain, but now I am not so sure. Demographically 2020 the highest percentage of the vote the greens got was from the 18-24 year age group. One of the main planks of green ideology is energy which has them presently taking flax. A recent Think Ireland survey showed that on the question of nuclear, nationally there is a 50/50, split with the highest age group in favour being the 18-24 age group at 60%. That even in their own highest voting age group the majority are not in agreement with the greens has me reassessing the heart and head thinking on the younger voters.

Akrasia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119514418#Comment_119514418

Where is your national poll that asks 'Do you think the green party are nutters?'

Ireland has PRSTV voting. The polling usually only asks for first preferences, but in Ireland, transfers decide elections. Traditionally the greens have been good at getting transfers. This means that people don't think they're 'nutters' it means they aren't the 1st preference, but voters prefer the greens over alternative parties down the ballot.

Akrasia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119514523#Comment_119514523

Yes. Its especially the greens fault that the government didn't 'plan' to replace ageing powerplants 5 years ago (3 years before the greens came into government)