"Green" policies are destroying this country

Capt'n Midnight

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119778052#Comment_119778052

The Chinese had sail powered wheelbarrows way way back. Having a constant wind helps.

Another way would to put up angled slats beside bike lanes so wind gets channelled in the direction of travel.

I'd be all for covering bike lanes and bus stops with solar panels to keep the rain off.

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cnocbui

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-61010605

In case you haven't noticed, the Uk government currently couldn't organise a piss up in a distillery, even if you locked them in for a week, and that's right after the several year COVID distraction from normal business.

Capital costs are never zero for the consumer. To say you don't understand the basics of investing if you think that, would be putting it mildly. The consumer pays every cent; capital, interest on capital borrowed, maintainance, running costs and the investors profit margin. The strike price does not account for the abysmal capacity factor of renewables and the cost of filling that yawning chasm, that also is paid for by the consumer.

You can not compare the true costs of energy sources with different capacity factors without also computing the cost of making the sources equivalent to each other. Here's a small hint to as to why this is so:

The US Department of Energy (DOE) estimates that to replace a 1GW nuclear power plant would require 2GW of coal or 3GW to 4GW from renewable sources to generate the same amount of electricity.

https://www.power-technology.com/analysis/nuclear-power-pros-cons/

Your strategy for arguing against nuclear energy in ever single one of your incredible number of negative posts, is to find literally the worst failures - ie. the worst examples - and to put those forward as the only example anyone could expect if they wanted to build a NPP. If I wanted to buy a car, and I had two friends who had each bought exactly the same car I wanted to buy, but one of them had paid 50% more than the other, I'd be seeking to emulate the deal the other one got. You think Ireland's only option is to follow the worst examples possible. By your logic, Ireland should also be seeking to exit the EU because the UK did and it's worked out so badly for them. I think It's better to get the best deal possible when buying expensive things.

xxxxxxl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119778327#Comment_119778327

In Ireland yes 1 major city then a bunch of small cities I would call towns. Very windy.

Pa ElGrande

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119780293#Comment_119780293

The data for that chart is from the UK Low Carbon Contracts Company. CFDs say nothing about the increasing grid balancing costs and the renewables obligation in the UK, which works out at £340 per year per household, £9 billion. Of course being the greedy vulture capitalist they are Wind farms earn hundreds of millions more from energy crisis after delaying Government subsidy contract.

If the plants had taken up their CfD when expected, selling at £73.71 per MWh, they would have received £306 million over the year; more than £525 million less than they could rake in this year selling at booming market prices.

Very welcome news for many folks needing carrying capacity but looking to ditch the car.

https://www.independent.ie/news/environment/hopes-cargo-bikes-can-replace-more-family-cars-as-bike-to-work-limit-increased-to-3000-42085265.html

xxxxxxl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119781372#Comment_119781372

The average number of wet days (days with more than 1mm of rain) ranges from about 150 days a year along the east and south-east coasts, to about 225 days a year in parts of the west.

Great idea for the wet windy Island.

cnocbui

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119781372#Comment_119781372

THE HAGUE, Netherlands -- Four children were killed and two other people were critically injured Thursday after a train slammed into an electric cargo bike in the Netherlands.

I can just see me peddling my PS aged daughter and year 10 HS son to the two different schools in one of those in lashing rain, and car buffeting wind, with their backpacks and their 22Kg combined load of books and homework. Actually, no I can't you can keep that nonsense.

'Dad, can Ryan come home with us? They cancelled rugby training.'

xxxxxxl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119781451#Comment_119781451

Where do you keep it if you have no garage ? Leave it out in the lashing rain charging bursting into flames ?

xxxxxxl

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/video-captures-e-bike-bursting-into-flames-in-dublin-shopping-centre-42001345.html

Seen a few videos like this. Also idiots walking in breathing in the toxic fumes.

ps200306

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119780024#Comment_119780024

Most recent Irish onshore prices were c. €100/MWh. It's debatable how many of those will actually get built due to recent inflation. Offshore will be more expensive. Floating offshore will be even more expensive. It's a fledgling technology. And a apart from the transmission infrastructure and backup generation that is not factored into the cost of wind power, the Greens want to kickstart an entirely new hydrogen economy from scratch. The technology for that couldn't even be called "fledgling". FYI, the Green plan is for 7GW of fixed offshore by 2030 (recently upped from 5GW), followed by 30GW of floating offshore wind. That is the minimum needed to cope with existing demand, a whole bunch of fossil fuel use still unaddressed, and no energy exports. In the timeframe envisaged, actual demand will increase significantly (unless the Greens have trashed the economy by then, which is pretty likely).

y0ssar1an22

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119781482#Comment_119781482

there's a big fat lawsuit anyway

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119781482#Comment_119781482

Here's a compilation of Lamborghini's catching fire

https://youtu.be/A1TlUSXRMCc

xxxxxxl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119781691#Comment_119781691

I don't think the Green party support this option for transport.

Capt'n Midnight

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119780293#Comment_119780293

Nuclear has only had major problems with reliability in Japan, France , UK, Belgium , Finland, Sweden, German, Italy, Korea, Switzerland and Ukraine and others.

Politics really matters. In Germany, Italy and Switzerland the people voted against it. Ukraine is another example where politics hasn't been conducive to nuclear. The UK is dependent on Chinese money which is not good. And other countries are getting plants built by the Chinese and Russians. Probably not good politically for the future to have critical infrastructure locked into them vendors for decades.

For the last three years we've been getting 50% of our power from onshore wind in February. Nuclear couldn't match that unless you install excess which would be insanely expensive as it wouldn't be needed in summer. Or you use use backup from other generators or storage and if you head down that road you can use things like solar or onshore wind which completely undermine the economics of nuclear.

cnocbui

https://www.energy.gov/ne/articles/nuclear-power-most-reliable-energy-source-and-its-not-even-close

Keep bullsh1ting.

Moneypoint station out of action for over two months

December 19, 2018

All three coal-fired units at ESB’s Moneypoint power station have been out of action for the past two months due to a forced outage at the Co Clare facility.

xxxxxxl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119781772#Comment_119781772

Ohh did not know that have mates in Dub its that why they complain the lights are a lot dimmer in the evening ?

Capt'n Midnight

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119781502#Comment_119781502

Teeside in the UK uses an amount of hydrogen comparable in energy to our entire gas grid, piped miles and miles all around the factories. The Norwegians have been using hydroelectricity to produce the stuff for the last century for fertilizer. Town gas contained a high % of hydrogen. So the "new" bit is looking for cheaper alternatives for membranes and catalysts for the hydrolysers and economies of scale.

You don't need to kickstart a new hydrogen economy. Most of the infrastructure is already there if you want to store hydrogen in offshore gas fields and use it in power stations. 7% of the energy content of piped gas could be replace with hydrogen without needing to change anything.

Irish prices are a lot higher than UK prices. That's a whole other topic of debate.

Floating offshore wind should be a lot cheaper by the time we fill up the sand banks off the east coast.

ginger22

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119781817#Comment_119781817

For a so called "moderator" you seem to have very biased views and are no shy expressing them.

ginger22

https://www.businesspost.ie/news/energy-regulator-decision-scuppers-60-of-planned-gas-plants/

deholleboom

For those who think it is only the Greens who are to blame for bad policies read this article:

http://www.honestcommonsense.co.uk/2022/07/?m=0

It is systemic. Other articles highlighted the history, going right back to the late 60s and the Gaia and the Population bomb theories, the anti nuclear movement, Greenpeace and the role of the UN, then on to the ramping up of the Green Agenda in 1992, Tony Blair, setting up the UN IPCC and the total politization of policy with a fascist style top down manipulation of countries to have them comply to the rules. With huge amounts of funds supporting the 'right' people in the right places. No wonder top politicians are afraid to walk out off line. This conspiracy theory is factually true as it is official policy. So yes, to paraphrase a consistent poster on this forum " conspiracy theories that way---^".

deholleboom

For those who like hydro power, there is a distinction between hydro power derived from the FLOW of water which is related to a specific high/low altitude geography like Norway and Switzerland and hydrogen derived from electrolysis which is very lossy but can be done in most places.

Again, geography matters. We are good with wind power to a certain degree as long as it is backed up by reliables. The aim of the Green Agenda is to push up the price of fossil fuels or flat out demolishing the infrastructure by levies and withholding permits so green tech stays competitive and everybody continues to pay the high prices with the (un)fortunate side effect of starving to death large amounts of people. But hey, that's all par for the course! Mrs Gaia whispered it in our ear..

Edit: for those who propose a combination of solar/wind and green (as opposed to grey and blue which is an important relevant distinction) hydrogen you should make clear that you will combine several inefficient (ie lossy) technologies together. The opposite of an efficient system. But hey, anything other than fossil fuels, right?

Oh, it seems the Greens are losing the war on nuclear. Reality bites, hard..

deholleboom

This is an article highlighting hydrogen from an investor's point if view:

https://seekingalpha.com/article/4392471-hydrogen-vs-natural-gas-for-electric-power-generation

He says it makes no sense currently to switch fr gas to green hydrogen and highlights the inefficiencies and the grid issues.Furthermore, he mentions the fact that small nuclear power facilities (SMRs) might strongly diminish the need for hydrogen/wind/solar and therefore the need to restructure the grid if it is aimed at powering it by solar/wind. That is i think the reason the Greens are pushing so hard for both green hydrogen and grid expansion. They see the renewed focus on nuclear as an existential threat to their agenda..

And a point NOT highlighted is the massive amounts of space needed for solar/wind to combine w hydrogen and the relation to infrastructure.

The word that comes up again and again is 'niche'. There is no solution but instead a series of trade-offs.Every technology has its drawbacks and advantages. A combination of the most reliable, efficient and clean technologies catered for a specific geography/location seems such an obvious general approach that only a fool would push the ideological button. But alas, there are many fools. Quite a lot in high places im afraid..

patnor1011

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119781691#Comment_119781691

Well, one lambo vs couple thousands of green solution of all things environmental...

https://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/topstories/flooded-tesla-evs-from-hurricane-ian-exploding-all-over-florida/ar-AA12LMP6

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119782816#Comment_119782816

Cool

?Cee?view

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119781697#Comment_119781697

And a hell of a lot easier to extinguish than banks of batteries

xxxxxxl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119783500#Comment_119783500

hot actually. 😁

xxxxxxl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119783966#Comment_119783966

The E bike vid had quite the energetic fire. I would imagine in cars the huge banks foam would struggle and they just let them burn out.

deholleboom

I get the feeling that the Greens foremost like solar and wind generated electricity. Its obvious that they believe the climate alarmists but i think their whole view is basically anti fossil and nuclear (dirty) and pro solar/wind (clean). Then everything follows. Climate change and reality are secondary. As long as they can push more windmills and solar panels they (and the green tech industry) will be happy. A visual representation of their faith based ideology, like the Christian cross.

kabakuyu

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119786366#Comment_119786366

Is it just faith though, how many of them or their followers have their finger in the green pie, I know one individual who had a road to Damascus conversion to the green cause when he saw the money to be made.

ps200306

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119781817#Comment_119781817

Teeside in the UK uses an amount of hydrogen comparable in energy to our entire gas grid, piped miles and miles all around the factories.

Sorry, but you'll have to provide a source for that as it contradicts available stats. The entire UK's hydrogen target for 2030 is comparable to our entire gas grid (source: Department for Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy, Hydrogen Strategy update to the market: July 2022).

The Norwegians have been using hydroelectricity to produce the stuff for the last century for fertilizer.

Wrong. They started doing it in the early 20th century, then switched to hydrocarbons like everyone else. One of the world's biggest fertiliser producers -- Yara -- is Norwegian. They cut production by half this year due to the increasing cost of natural gas. They've only started pilots of green ammonia production in the last 12 months.

Town gas contained a high % of hydrogen.

It contained an even higher percentage of carbon monoxide. Not sure of your point. Nobody's disputing that you can mix a certain percentage of hydrogen into existing gas supplies.

You don't need to kickstart a new hydrogen economy. Most of the infrastructure is already there if you want to store hydrogen in offshore gas fields and use it in power stations.

You ought to read the aforementioned Hydrogen Strategy update paper, then. It is all about kickstarting a hydrogen economy, with the usual taxpayer and levy-funded incentives being dished out to eager investors who never turn down a subsidy. It might also open your eyes to the range of options being promoted, unlike Ireland's singular fixation on wind power while its conventional reliable power generation infrastructure rots. Only half the UK 2030 target is green hydrogen, the rest is blue using CCUS. And of the green hydrogen, a considerable fraction is expected to be from nuclear electricity. Contrast that with the swivel-eyed Eamon Ryan's religious opposition to both indigenous hydrocarbons and nukes. The UK expects hydrogen production to complement its continued development of North Sea hydrocarbons.

Floating offshore wind should be a lot cheaper by the time we fill up the sand banks off the east coast.

You probably haven't noticed, but our prices for wind power are going up, not down. And that's for onshore, not offshore, let alone floating. The only thing that gives me hope is that our planning system is such a disaster that by the time we've filled up those sand banks it'll be clearer which way the wind is blowing (pun intended) in the rest of the world with regard to economically viable energy sources. My guess is that very little of the 7GW of fixed turbines planned for the Irish sea by 2030 will be built by then. That's around the timeframe that small modular nukes will be making their appearance.