"Green" policies are destroying this country

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119815313#Comment_119815313

I think you've officially jumped the shark

charlie14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119815057#Comment_119815057

First off with you a nuclear plant would be too long in coming on stream and next it`s smaller projects that come on line incrementally. Any chance you could make up your mind if you really are interested in reaching zero emissions or are so tied up in the cult worship of wind turbines you cannot separate one from the other. ?

I have already shown that your 20 years for nuclear is nonsense, so how long is it going to take for the E.S.B. plan favoured by greens of 30KW offshore to result in zero emissions ? My guess, you haven`t a clue.

That E.S.B. plan will at a minimum of today`s prices cost €83 billion, plus the unknown cost of hydrogen storage (which in itself is unknown if it will actually work) and that cost will have to be repeated ad infinitum at the maximum every 27 years, (For wind turbines in an environment that has made mush of everything we have ever placed in it, reality suggests much less than every 27 years)

Nuclear can do the same as that madcap E.S.B plan, without the need for hydrogen storage, for around a third of just the initial price and would still be churning out 90% capacity while the E.S.B. are fiddling around with the third incarnation of that offshore plan.

Your wind, solar and storage becoming cheaper is just more green hopium while ignoring that the wind basket they have all our eggs in has not gotten cheaper. The opposite in fact and if you do not believe that then I suggest you check out the latest strike prices.

cnocbui

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119815870#Comment_119815870

The most recent completed NPP is Barakah in the UAE. First reactor commissioned 8 years from start, and that was a fail as the aim was 5 years, which is what the South Korean builders have managed in SK, but the whole thing has still been completed in 10, which is pretty good considering it has the capacity to supply 100% of Ireland's current energy uasge of 5 GW and export a bit to boot. And all for less than half the cost of offshore wind and possibly a quarter the cost of floating offshore wind, which seems to be a major plank of insanity in the ESBs mad plan.

Here's an Idea, don't copy losers, copy winners. The US, UK and France appear to have lost their large scale engineering mojo, but SK and Japan still have it. Sk has a proven recent track record and that's who I'd get to build one.

charlie14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119815072#Comment_119815072

How can it not be doublespeak by greens when regulations are the only reason according to them for Shell and Equinor pulling out of offshore while regulations have nothing do with investors doing the same with Barryroe.

According to you things are much better now as regulations for offshore were changed this year, so are you that naive to actually believe that the E.S.B`s own offshore partner pulled out last November not knowing those changes were coming, or that Shell pulled out just a few months ago after the changes were announced ?

If you are I have a lovely bridge going cheap. See as it`s yourself i`ll even knock off an extra 10% on the price.

Pa ElGrande

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119815786#Comment_119815786

Snowfalls are now just a thing of the past (March 2000)

However, the warming is so far manifesting itself more in winters which are less cold than in much hotter summers. According to Dr David Viner, a senior research scientist at the climatic research unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia,within a few years winter snowfall will become "a very rare and exciting event".

"Children just aren't going to know what snow is," he said.

Go ahead cherry pick data points from different regions of the globe that suit the narrative you follow, I can do that as well.

Australia’s bumper crop: record agricultural production forecast to total $78bn (December 2021)

Despite flood and rain damage in the eastern states, the estimation in the Abares Agricultural Commodities report for the December quarter in 2021-22 is an upward revision of $5.4bn from the outlook issued in September, which was already considered record-breaking for surpassing $70bn.

In general global yields have risen. The question that is foremost on everyones minds is how much the war will impact production over the next few years? Fertiliser output has reduced and both Russia and Ukraine are significant producers. None of this has to do with climate change, if climate change has had an impact then the data supports a positive relationship in global output.

Global wheat production from 2011/2012 to 2021/2022

If anyone could consistently and reliably predict the weather conditions a year out they would make an absolute fortune. What defines the climate scientific community? Is is their adherence to political doctrine? Is dissension allowed? What is their prediction record to date on weather events?

Pick a scientist or group of scientists who can do this in advance and consistently and not using the rear view mirror. Farmers want to know what they can plant next year and when, how to allocate resources like water and fertiliser, this information has real commercial value, yet the scientists do not seem able to transform the output from their computer models into anything of practical value beyond media sensationalising headlines (i.e. if it bleeds, it leads) as a means to generate more government or trust funding. There is an industry trade fair (COP27) coming up soon in Egypt, maybe they will unveil the latest technological breakthrough? I shall not hold my breath.

charlie14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119815751#Comment_119815751

mainly because greens have for years been attempting to shut down any discussion on it and are still doing so.

Interestingly it doesn`t seem to be working out that well for them here as a recent Think Ireland survey showed that those opposed and those in favour were split 50/50. The particularly interesting finding was that 60% of the 18 - 24 year age group were in favour, which is the age group the Irish Green Party garnered the largest percentage of votes from in the last G.E.

cnocbui

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119816109#Comment_119816109

It's weird: IPCC are for it, Greta has seen the light and is for it, even George Monbiot who was formerly anti, is now for it and practically every country that was phasing out nuclear power, except Germany and Belgium, has completely reversed course with aggressive plans to add nuclear capacity or keep existing plants going indefinitely, South Korea did a 180°, as did Japan, Sweden, the Netherlands, and the Uk and France have gone from nuclear stagnation to growth. Other countries like Poland the Czech Republic are in acquisition phases.

It's amazing what Russia have achieved.

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119816109#Comment_119816109

So because one tiny party who are gone in next election oppose we're not getting nuclear. Pie in the sky stuff.

Anyway, we can't even build apartments over 3 storeys high and half the country goes mental. Imagine trying to get planning permission for a nuclear plant 🤣🤣

Capt'n Midnight

We built Ballymun when everyone else was moving away from flats. We didn't learn from the experience of others.

The current situation with existing nuclear in a fuel crisis in Western Europe is :

France has 28GW output of 64GW installed , it's a debacle, they are importing power when wind drops down, last year they were exporting 11GW . Delays in repairs and strikes man that it will be next year before power is fully restored.

UK 6 out of 9 reactors are on nominal full load, SNAFU. They will be down to 1 operational plant in a few years time. EDF are asking for extensions but they closed plants early before so don't count on them staying running.

Swedish utility Vattenfall said on Tuesday it had delayed the restart of the Ringhals 4 nuclear reactor by two months to Jan. 31

Germany 3 plants left. All will close in the next few months because politics. Isar 2 will have to be taken offline for a week because of leaks who knows what they'll find ?

Finland yes the EPR is finally online but they had to get power elsewhere for over a decade and costs quadrupled.

Belgium - September 23, Doel 3 will be shut down in accordance with the law on nuclear exit. Five reactors will shut down for 2025 leaving 2 extensions to 2035.

Spain are due to phase out all coal and nuclear by 2035

Nuclear output will continue to fall away. There won't be much left in Western Europe by 2035. That ship has sailed.

If the UK with 70+ years experience in nuclear power can't get anyone to even bid for a nuclear power plant on existing sites with guaranteed incomes then we'd wouldn't unless we paid even more.

Siemens left the nuclear industry a long time ago so can't build more plants. EDF were nationalised and aren't bidding for nuclear contracts in the UK anymore. Look at the history of the companies that bid on contracts in the UK from 2010 onwards to see how many went bankrupt or left the industry since. Also recently resold Westinghouse (for less than the price of one plant) is behaving like a patent troll and suing Korea Power to prevent sales in Europe.

There isn't a clear path to how we get a competent, solvent company to get planning permission to build a plant here at an economic price in a reasonable time.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119816235#Comment_119816235

What do you need to be driving past Galway for anyway? Are their goods and services not enough for you rurals! [fist.png]

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119816216#Comment_119816216

Did everyone move away from flats? London has 100s of new high towers of flats. Croydon looks like dubai nowadays. Don't know why we can't build up somewhat in Ireland.

cnocbui

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119816331#Comment_119816331

Because housing is already too expensive for many and the unit area cost to build apartments is higher than for houses. Vertical housing only makes sense where land is scarce and very expensive, like Singapore, HK and overcrowded cities.

Pa ElGrande

The world is transitioning to fossil fuels

Despite the fanfare surrounding wind and solar, the world’s dependency on fossil fuels is increasing. Last week, Saudi Aramco CEO Amin Nasser said that the world is now “transitioning to coal.”

Saad al-Kaabi, Qatar‘s energy minister, says: “Many countries particularly in Europe which had been strong advocates of green energy and carbon-free future have made a sudden and sharp U-turn. Today, coal burning is once again on the rise reaching its highest levels since 2014.”

They are right. Global coal demand will reach a historic high in 2022, similar to 2013’s record levels. According to the International Energy Agency, “Global coal consumption is forecast to rise by 0.7 percent in 2022 to 8 billion tons. … Coal consumption in the European Union is expected to rise by seven percent in 2022 on top of last year’s 14 percent jump.”

Coal will continue to be a sought-after energy source as “rising gas prices after 2030 will make existing coal-fired generation more economic,” the IEA says. Global energy demand will grow by 47% from now through 2050, and oil is expected to be the major source of energy.

By the end of this decade Ireland will be short of natural gas. The coal and oil plants will be shutdown. This is policy of the current and previous governments in pursuit of netzero. It is clear with the current energy policy, the Irish economy cannot expand and are in a period of stagflation across multiple economic sectors. By the end of the decade we will be in a load shedding situation like South Africa or worse case Lebanon in regards to electricity generation where blackouts and power outages are common.

• Analysis | No Fuel, No Electricity, No Water: This Is What Lebanon's Slow Death Looks Like
• An economy with no electricity is destined to collapse, says Mantashe – as South Africa hits day 141 of load shedding

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jN4cWbG16h8

This country has an accommodation shortage, every new house build represents a new demand on the grid. The average Irish household uses and average of 4,200 kW/h of electricity and 11,000 kW/h of gas per year. Where is the gas supply going to come from? Where is the new electricity generation coming from?

• Powerful surge in demand for home generators
• Some Wexford businesses now using diesel generators all day instead of electricity in order to cut costs
• AWS buys 100+ diesel generators... and that's just for Irish datacenters

Amazon has applied to have 105 diesel generators installed at a new datacenter site in Dublin amid concerns over the impact on electricity networks and the potential for energy shortages across the sector this winter.

Wonder where all the diesel will come from in future?

• Why are diesel prices higher than petrol and rising?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119816450#Comment_119816450

The world is transitioning to fossil fuels

😅

Its a blip, nothing more

The move away from fossil fuels is only gathering momentum, with Putins actions speeding up plans by several years for many countries

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119816435#Comment_119816435

Pretty scarce in Dublin these days, in the parts people want to live at least .

xxxxxxl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119816790#Comment_119816790

lol uhhh oooh. What will Mr Ryan say.

Pa ElGrande

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119816620#Comment_119816620

The renewables sacred cow is being slaughtered by its inability to deliver cheap effective power. Germany is locking in long term supply contracts.

• Here Is the Gas That Is Supposed to Make Europe Independent of Putin
• Mexico to build $5bn LNG plant to relieve Europe’s energy famine
• Germany Secures LNG Supply from UAE, Possible First Cargo by December
• Wind farm in Germany is being dismantled to expand coal mine

Reality bites, they can't find the minerals required. See how copper is made. You can also thank Greenpeace for their efforts to prevent Lithium extraction.

https://twitter.com/Mining_Atoms/status/1574158189926285312

charlie14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119816790#Comment_119816790

Oh my. 😲

That must really sting for some here

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119816968#Comment_119816968

sting who? we keep being told the Green party who have had 5 minutes in power are the reason we've no nuclear in Ireland. Who are you and crazy horse battery or whatever going to blame when the Greens are gone after the next election?

Surely Sinn Fein will have nuclear power in their manifesto for the next government? Have they got the ball rolling yet?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119816822#Comment_119816822

Careful, links seem to be a trigger for some around here

xxxxxxl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119817009#Comment_119817009

I'm sure there is a difference between Green policies vs the Green Party.

Pa ElGrande

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119817009#Comment_119817009

I don't know if you have ever heard of Petra Kelly, she spoke at Carnsore Point. It was on the back of her brand recognition that the ecology party of Ireland rebranded themselves as Greens. Carnsore became the third rail of Irish politics and the subject of nuclear power has been off the table ever since. Unfortunately it will take a crisis before any consideration is given to nuclear again in Ireland.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Elv963sGfrU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzvtBl2VFnQ

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119817204#Comment_119817204

you'd think so but the Green party get blamed for everything in Ireland these days, they don't realise that every party has policy on all things environmental and they'll still be at the forefront of politics when the Greens are voted out. Who will they blame then I wonder?

xxxxxxl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119817345#Comment_119817345

Green policies in that case. Problem with the Green party is they make it very easy to show how stupid they are. Like Cargo Bikes for Ireland. Basically a bathtub for kids in Irish weather.

Pa ElGrande

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119817345#Comment_119817345

I agree. Sinn Fein can't duck and dive forever. They are building their vote on the back of the housing crisis. Rectifying the hosing crisis also means having to tackle the energy crisis on the basis the energy infrastructure limits how much can be built and where. In addition there is the matter of "the golden goose" aka the multinationals. The price of accommodation and energy feed into the price of labour, at the moment some of the service economy can work remotely and this eased cost pressures for back office staff who can afford to move to cheaper locations in the country. The price of energy is a different story when it comes to production and retail, that is killing margins, businesses and employment. Next Irish election is due in 2024 or at least early 2025. No political party has grasped the issue in public yet, I am aware the government parties are being warned by the "golden goose" of their future intentions. I expect that political instability will be the feature internationally going into 2024, sort of like 1968.

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119817351#Comment_119817351

Cargo bikes will suit plenty of urban living folk. Where I live in Hackney they are all over the place and they've blocked off most roads to through traffic so many of the locals use them to bring their kids to school. Probably sounds like hell on earth to you but it has made the area so much more quiet and livable. The market for them is small in Ireland but having tax breaks for them isn't going to harm anyone.

charlie14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119817009#Comment_119817009

Ah come on now. Saint Greta`s utterances on nuclear had to have stung those that are so ardent in their efforts to shut down any conversation on nuclear. Efforts that really do not appear to be working even here, as I have already said to you but which you choose to ignored.

And what is all this asking posters if Sinn Fein have nuclear in their manifesto. Have we now moved from anyone who is not a fully fledged believer in the green cult not only a climate change denier but a Sinn Fein supporter ?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119817799#Comment_119817799

It's weird how much a teenage girl triggers you and some others here. Kinda creepy to be honest

and its in!

Hurrah for cleaner air

The department said: "The primary focus of these regulations is on improving air quality and improving people's health chances and outcomes, by restricting the retail, online and commercial sale of smoky fuels, including smoky coal, turf and wet wood.

"These fuels are proven to be a major contributor to air pollution in Ireland."

https://www.rte.ie/news/regional/2022/1031/1332417-turf/

Akrasia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119816435#Comment_119816435

Bullsh1t.