"Green" policies are destroying this country

Pa ElGrande

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119966799#Comment_119966799

He left out the </sarc> tag. The definition is one of the reasons why you must not take alarmists weather attribution headlines seriously. When it suits the narrative a weather event that causes disaster is called climate change, when the weather is "fierce mild" that is not considered climate. Climate as defined by the UN WMO is a series of metrics measured over a 30 year reference period. The weather attribution crowd use weather related disasters to grab headlines, and always in the rear view mirror rather than being able to accurately predict what will happen in 12 months time.

JRant

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119965777#Comment_119965777

How is such blatant lies allowed to be published?

Every single data centre is planned years in advance and the grid operators have to agree to a connection agreement before they even start building. Does the author not realize that ALL energy growth figures are already captured by the grid operators in their future planning, including data centres. So all those lovely Eirgrid and ESB presentations outlining how they will "achieve" their targets already factors in such growth.

It's also clear that is was a completely biased study that had an agenda against data centres and new gas generation and was commissioned by an anti-everything group The friends of the Earth. If they had their way we'd be back to tilling land by hand and bartering in turnips. It's been a while since I've read such drivel.

"Even if all future data centres were to run on renewable energy, she says, that would leave shortages of clean energy for other sectors.

“If significant growth in future renewable electricity generation is ultimately required mainly to serve strong data centre demand growth, this will further limit the potential for transport, buildings and industry sectors to meet their decarbonisation commitments,” she writes.

The research was commissioned by Friends of the Earth whose policy head, Jerry Mac Evilly, said gas was being wrongly “peddled as a transition fuel”."

Danno

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119966725#Comment_119966725

An answer I'd expect from a teenager throwing a tantrum.

We can be in the EU, though it was much better as the EC - however, as a sovereign state we don't have to go along with every loony plan they come up with. This especially rings through when you see Germany and France rip up the rule book when they get stuck in a mire.

The EU has some positives, but when it comes to the negatives we should take an Ireland says no stance.

JRant

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119966680#Comment_119966680

It's either a climate "emergency" or it's not?

Whether it's nuclear or onshore/offshore or hydrogen plants odlr solar farms we need urgent planning overhauls to rectify the current shambles where a handful of the same people, see Friends of Ireland, object toevery single project.

Even the grid upgrades required to go full lunacy 100% renewables will take decades to do with the current planning mess.

Pa ElGrande

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119967016#Comment_119967016

How is this published? Churnalists whose gig is environmental correspondent. There are so many press releases from climate NGOs, they've discovered they can make a living. Caroline O'Doherty (Independent newspapers), George Lee (RTE), Kevin O'Sullivan (Irish Times) and John Gibbons (go to talking head for Irish media on climate change and smear site contributor.)

Radio and TV shows don’t have to give airtime to climate change deniers to provide balance, says regulator

“There is no legal obligation to provide balance,” Declan McLoughlin, BAI manager told the Oireachtas Environment and Climate Action Committee.

“It may be necessary but where there is no actual alternative view – and the fundamentals of climate change are decided - there is no requirement to provide balance.

“With balance for the sake of it, you end up with false equivalence, with views that do not represent the truth.”

In practice,not allowing challenges is about protecting the narrative. People who follow this thread and others on boards will realise that the media are allowed to go unchallenged and can spout any crap as long as it supports the narrative. The government even codified climate propaganda in the Online Safety and Media Regulation Bill.

xxxxxxl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119967163#Comment_119967163

Can we vote against it or is it just a law ?

thinkabouit

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119964427#Comment_119964427

agree with ya here

the scatters of one off houses & all that go with it on country roads are more ugly looking than any windfarms on hills imo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119967163#Comment_119967163

Thinking climate change is not real is not an opposing view, its just brain dead. Great to see the BAI clarify that the brain dead view does not deserve airtime /column inches.

Those crackpots are not being silenced, their brain dead views are just not required to be given a platform any longer.

Between this and the increased exposure to climate change education in schools, the qty of crack pots should start to dwindle through natural attrition

This is a good thing 👍

Pa ElGrande

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119967185#Comment_119967185

Unfortunately the Irish constitution only guarantees curated free speech, challenging the censorship in court would be difficult, but not impossible.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qh-1_tXeuQ

?Cee?view

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119967016#Comment_119967016

It’s kind of hard to take anything she writes seriously anymore. She is an accomplished self promoter though, fully funded by and invested in the climate change business.

charlie14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119966747#Comment_119966747

Next Winter I can see bringing even more panic than this year. Russia replaced Qatar as the second largest exporter of LNG to Europe this year, and how the E.U. could justify that for next year is difficult to see. The U.S. has problems up until 2025 for exporting more than they are, so really other than Qatar upping their exports I don`t see anyone else filling the gap. But the E.U. on current form as to when it suits, will most likely cobble together a way around that. Novatex will get a by even though over 50% of its share are Russian owned on the basis that French company TotalEnergies own 20% of the shares even though Gazprom owns around 10%.

charlie14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119966761#Comment_119966761

I was always off the opinion that if your facts were verifiable then you would welcome the opportunity to show how wrong others were who challenged that view, but it seems greens prefer censorship.

Mind you I could see why they would not want the subject of cattle and methane discussed. Just the mention of Brazil would show them up for the morons they are.

Pa ElGrande

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119967211#Comment_119967211

Our own children are being taught to express what Ingsoc spokeperson DaCor just did. See Chapter 5 Climate action teacher resource produced by An Taisce (A member of the Climate Action Network that is dominated by agendas of Greenpeace and Friends of the Earth).

JRant

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119967163#Comment_119967163

It's doing a great job of tailoring the narrative anyway. Rather than focusing on the mess made by government policy over a 10 year period it looks to blame the end users for a lack of generation. The worst part is that it gets gobbled up by the general public without a critical thought entering their heads.

GreeBo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119967123#Comment_119967123

Sure its an emergency, but there is a bit of a difference between off shore wind farms and a nuclear waste dump in Dublin Bay.

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119966725#Comment_119966725

so collapsing our economy, our bond market, defaulting on our euro denominated debts, be some craic, yea!

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119967319#Comment_119967319

An Taisce got increased funding a short while back to expand on that too

Its important that our kids are taught about the impacts of climate change and how we can address it

ginger22

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119967211#Comment_119967211

I think if there was a poll on here as to who the "crackpots" were we would see who would win that one hands down.

We have a lot more work to do as regards waste in this country. We were going great guns for a while and then everything plateaued.

The deposit return scheme will make some inroads to the figures below but there's more we should be done, especially in dealing with our own waste rather than exporting the problem

https://www.independent.ie/news/environment/ireland-is-going-in-the-wrong-direction-country-is-producing-more-rubbish-than-ever-as-recycling-rates-stagnate-42200884.html

New figures from the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) show municipal waste – the day-to-day rubbish and recyclables disposed of in wheelie bins and bin bags – has grown to 3.2 million tonnes a year.

Total waste, which includes that from construction, industry and packaging, is now at 16.2 million tonnes or just over three tonnes for every person in the country.

Exporting was used to get rid of 39pc of municipal waste, 50pc of packaging waste, 55pc of hazardous waste, 27pc of biodegradable waste and almost all electrical and electronic equipment waste.

Of the 3.2m tonnes of municipal waste, 42pc was incinerated, 41pc was recycled and 16pc went to landfill while a small amount was composted.

The recycling rate has not improved since 2016 but it must reach 55pc within the next three years to hit EU targets.

Recycling of plastic packaging has an even bigger gap to bridge as it stands at just 29pc compared to the 50pc it is meant to achieve by 2025.

An incredible 71pc of plastic packaging was incinerated.

Kincora2017

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119966680#Comment_119966680

have a listen to the Hot Mess podcast on RTE for their estimate on how long it would take to build an appropriate nuclear plant here…...

Spoiler : 44 years!

Court rejects application from illegal peat harvesting operator to pause a High Court order requiring the firm to cease peat extraction

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/2022/12/06/peat-harvester-fails-to-secure-pause-on-high-court-injunction-against-extraction/

In May, the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) secured an injunctive order against the company, after Ms Justice Siobhán Phelan found a “material and significant” breach of European Union environmental law due to a lack of planning permission, and an accompanying Environmental Impact Assessment (EIA), for the activities on some of the land.

She ruled Harte Peat, which supplies its product to Irish mushroom growers, must cease unauthorised peat extraction at some areas west of Castlepollard, Co Westmeath.

There was a “major environmental and ecological concern” for Lough Derravaragh and adjoining surface waters which have been contaminated with peat from upstream extraction, the judge said.

Extraction from some parts of the land went down five metres to the marl, which means this portion of bog is “unlikely to ever regenerate”, she added.

It boggles my mind how anyone could support the utter annihilation of one of the most delicate ecosystems on the planet. Not only that but in such a reckless manner as to cause widespread impact to other ecosystems in the area through contamination

Pa ElGrande

Baby it's cold outside with no wind onshore or offshore.

How is random generation doing? 325 MW of 5745MW less than 6% of demand.

Young lad arrives home from school. Mam, can I turn on the heating?. You can, but it's part of your Christmas present.

Ground works for the interconnector to France to start early next year

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/munster/arid-41022899.html

JRant

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119967434#Comment_119967434

If the world is going to literally burst into flames, as Eamo keeps telling us, then all bets are off and absolutely everything should be on the table. Talking about turning Dublin bay into a nuclear waste dump does nothing to help the conversation.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119967643#Comment_119967643

Thankfully its not boards that the govt uses as its source, and instead relies on its agencies to conduct those polls, which show the Irish electorate are fairly consistent in their support to address the climate change crisis

https://www.epa.ie/publications/monitoring--assessment/climate-change/climate-change-in-the-irish-mind.php

https://www.esri.ie/publications/public-understanding-of-climate-change-and-support-for-mitigation

Putins war has done more to further the transition to renewables than almost any policy or intervention before it

https://www.theverge.com/2022/12/6/23496267/renewable-energy-crisis-turbocharged-iea-report-russia-ukraine-war

Right now, there’s “unprecedented momentum behind renewables,” the International Energy Agency says. Renewable power growth has been “turbocharged” by countries scrambling to tackle a global energy crisis spurred on by war in Ukraine, according to new analysis from the agency. Over just the next five years, as much renewable power is expected to come online globally as was added over the past two decades.

Renewables will make up a whopping 90 percent of electricity capacity expansion in that five-year span, according to a new report by the International Energy Agency (IEA). By 2025, renewable energy is expected to topple coal to become the world’s biggest electricity source.

Solar and wind power make up the vast majority of that expansion. Solar capacity is set to nearly triple, while wind capacity almost doubles by 2027, thanks in part to falling prices. New large-scale solar and onshore wind farms are now the cheapest ways to generate electricity in the majority of the world.

The "whataboutery" favorite, China, is investing so much into renewables, its almost accounting for half the global growth

China, the country with the world’s largest carbon footprint, also released a plan this year to bring more renewable energy online. Its renewable energy additions alone are expected to make up nearly half of the world’s expanded renewable power capacity over the next five years, according to the IEA.

https://www.carbonbrief.org/guest-post-will-chinas-new-renewable-energy-plan-lead-to-an-early-emissions-peak/

JRant

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119967824#Comment_119967824

I'll spell it out to you as it's something that continually gets missed in any of these polls.

If energy prices keep climbing at the current rates, in the region of 60%+ over the past 12 months and we start to see rolling outages, then all those lofty "green" ideals will be quickly placed in the bin and there will be unbearable pressure placed on government to start ramping up new fossil fuel generation.

The Germans are burning anything and everything they can get their hands on to keep industry and the economy going. They aren't worried one iota about 2030 targets right now after their medium/long term energy plans were literally blown up in the Baltic sea.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119967889#Comment_119967889

If energy prices keep climbing at the current rates, in the region of 60%+ over the past 12 months and we start to see rolling outages, then all those lofty "green" ideals will be quickly placed in the bin and there will be unbearable pressure placed on government to start ramping up new fossil fuel generation.

Given that its fossil fuels that are driving the price increases, that would be a monumentally stupid reaction lol

ginger22

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119967824#Comment_119967824

Were they informed about the consequences for their standard of living and how much it was going to cost them.

I was over in the UK a few months back and when I was going around I noted many wind turbines on their own, just randomly located around the countryside.

It looks like we may start seeing more like that here popping up over the next few years with applications such as this one for a single turbine in Tuam. Not sure the term "wind farm" is apt though

https://galwaybayfm.ie/galway-bay-fm-news-desk/plans-lodged-for-windfarm-in-cloonascragh-tuam/