"Green" policies are destroying this country

Larbre34

To be fair, Ireland's potential for wind is much higher than Germany, but we need a constant, predictable, reliable, controllable, clean but fuelled base generation capacity under the renewables for the next Century at least, until local scale fusion power becomes widespread.

Next Gen modular fission reactors are that for Ireland, in my opinion.

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120081895#Comment_120081895

yup, nuclear is really the only way, but best of luck trying to get that passed the planning process!

Pa ElGrande

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120081817#Comment_120081817

Take a look into how the sausage is made. Pay attention to the y-axis values and scales used when you see temperature anomaly graphs. Watch how they are presented.

At the center of most discussions of global warming is the record of the global mean surface temperature anomaly—often somewhat misleadingly referred to as the global mean temperature record. This paper addresses two aspects of this record. First, we note that this record is only one link in a fairly long chain of inference leading to the claimed need for worldwide reduction in CO2 emissions. Second, we explore the implications of the way the record is constructed and presented, and show why the record is misleading.

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This is because the record is often treated as a kind of single, direct instrumental measurement. However, as the late Stan Grotch of the Laurence Livermore Laboratory pointed out 30 years ago, it is really the average of widely scattered station data, where the actual data points are almost evenly spread between large positive and negative values. source

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120081969#Comment_120081969

ah you re grand thanks, ive life to be livin, just like yourself, ive done my 'research' into this one, but yet we both come to completely different conclusions!

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120081969#Comment_120081969

Your source is not a source lol, its a right wing nonsense group that cherry picks and misrepresents facts to muddy the waters. They dont even try to hide how fake an environmental group they are lol

Their "Climate facts" page is honestly the funniest thing I've ever read. Its like they got all the crazy, conspiracy theorist uncles into one room and showed them how to publish on this site

Pa ElGrande

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120082005#Comment_120082005

The source is Dr. Richard Lindzen and Dr John Christie. You can jump to the intro below to hear his qualifications in the subject.

If you don't want to spend all the time you can start here and listen to 20 minutes. Dr. Lindzen lays out how the temperature anomalies are constructed and how they do not support the narrative being pushed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LVSrTZDopM

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120080839#Comment_120080839

Did you ask the woke generation if they were happy that we are importing endless amounts of shipping containers of tat from China? I'm pretty sure if they're against trading beef or anything else with them they're not too keen on the fact that our houses and shops are full of cheap Chinese tat. I'm blue haired and woke and I'd love if we curtailed what we can import from China as we're turning the world into a giant landfill, and we don't need things like fast fashion and most of the plastic tat bought at Christmas etc.

It's also hilarious that we signed a Climate Act into legislation yet we have a Minister going to China and Japan to expand the beef and dairy industry. Just doesn't make much sense.

Also pretty sure John Gibbons is in his 50s, didn't know that was the woke generation.

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120082039#Comment_120082039

...i call bullsh1t on this one, yet again!

...do you ever get bored of this game, have you any other interests in life?

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120082063#Comment_120082063

so because rich people are flying man made climate change isn't real?

you better get used to a bit more walking in urban areas though, finally progressive cities have realised they need to stop planning everything exclusively for cars and are investing more in walking and cycling and putting more restrictions on where cars can be.

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120082091#Comment_120082091

is someone taking your burgers and your car or something?

anyway just because there's hypocrisy out there doesn't mean man made climate change is a scam.

Pa ElGrande

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120082050#Comment_120082050

That is up to you entirely. Anyone who wishes, can evaluate the information presented by Dr. Lindzen who is an acknowledged expert in the field. Contrast the information Dr. Lindzen provides with the recent appearance of a spin merchant like John Gibbons given free rein to spout actual bullsh!t unchalleged on Irelands media.

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120082098#Comment_120082098

...its bollcoks, you ve persisted here sprouting largely bullsh1t, from absolutely bullsh1t sources, its nonsense, you ve little or no creditability here!

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120082141#Comment_120082141

believe they are being truthful about what? i don't think it's climate scientists meeting at Davos, isn't it an economic forum?

Pa ElGrande

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120082130#Comment_120082130

It is up to you entirely. Anyone who wishes, can evaluate the information presented by Dr. Lindzen who is an acknowledged expert in the field. Contrast the information Dr. Lindzen provides with the recent appearance of a spin merchant like John Gibbons given free rein to spout actual bullsh!t unchalleged on Irelands media.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120082148#Comment_120082148

Indeed the info presented by him has been evaluated and proved to be misinformation

https://skepticalscience.com/skeptic_Richard_Lindzen.htm

Very thoroughly evaluated in fact

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120082148#Comment_120082148

thankfully the majority of boards users have made their own minds up already, by informing themselves from credible sources, people such as yourself will never achieve this, you ll continually come online and sprout all sorts of rubbish and bullsh1t, from even worse 'sources', you ve no credibility, you never will have, you re doing great harm to yourself, and your close loved ones, especially younger generations, i.e. your kids, grandkids, nieces and nephews by consistently doing so, so really, this is up to you to change!

The low cost of wind and solar is feckin up the case for nuclear. From an investors perspective,nuclear makes almost no sense

https://www.reuters.com/breakingviews/green-surge-is-circuit-breaker-nuclear-revival-2023-01-04/

Germany and Norway looking to develop a hydrogen pipeline

https://www.euractiv.com/section/energy/news/germany-norway-want-to-tie-the-knot-with-new-hydrogen-pipeline/

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120082229#Comment_120082229

some what disagree here, there clearly needs to be major state and public investments made here, a total movement towards renewables would more than likely be suicide, again, best of luck with that one here though!

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120082246#Comment_120082246

Not really, once storage is sorted, a 100% renewable grid is totally feasible.

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120082290#Comment_120082290

...again, i some what disagree here, there is research, from creditable sources i may add, that states, we simply may not have enough resources on the planet to create 100% renewable grids, so if this comes to be true, and we dont pursue alternatives such as nuclear, we ll more than likely end up in deep sh1t, thats not to say we shouldnt heavily invest in renewables now, that to must happen, but at a far greater scale and speed than currently is occurring....

Capt'n Midnight

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120081895#Comment_120081895

I can't see Next Gen modular reactors arriving in time or in volume to do much. Optimistically they're talking less than 10GW per design delivered by 2040 globally. So forget 2030 when we have to hit 80% of our targets. They could only maybe contribute to the remaining 20% by 2050.

BTW Some were planning on using Russia as a supplier so that's another two year excuse delay. There are lots of technical issues, not least is that you can't actually see a working one (except that Chinese one for off-grid use in the arse end of nowhere because of it's expense)

Strike prices for renewables in the UK are undercutting nuclear by a huge margin. Any nuclear project that takes more than 15 years from now to be completed and paid for is already dead.

Hornsea 2 and Moray got a strike price of £57.50/MWh in 2019. They started generating last year so the the clock's already running down on the 15 year CfD after which it's wholesale price. Moray 2 (and others) will start generating next year with a CfD of £37.35/MWh.

Xlinks are looking for £48/MWh for power 20 hour a day from renewables, it's close enough to baseload and possibly deliverable before Hinkley-C.

With currently developed tech months of electricity from stored hydrogen in old gas field is cost competitive with nuclear using contracted UK strike prices and costs for UK storage and UK hydrogen infrastructure. Unlike nuclear you only pay that price when there's no renewables or interconnectors,. Storing hydrogen in salt domes is cheaper than in old gas fields and any improvements in hydrolysis or photolysis or fuel cells make nuclear look even more expensive.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120082311#Comment_120082311

we simply may not have enough resources on the planet to create 100% renewable grids

I've seen stuff like that and it usually falls apart upon deeper inspection as its based on a few flawed assumptions such as no further development, no changes to the make up of tech, no recycling etc. Though I 100% agree resources are limited, its one of the reasons I think nuclear fisson is doomed, because of the limited availability of uranium

Its the same as when people used to say wind could never provide enough energy to power the country. 20 years ago that was true due to the limitations of the tech. What we see now (e.g. Codling) is a reduction in the number of turbines required due to the development of turbines making fewer required to output the same amount of energy and the ones that are used having far higher efficiency ratings due to the physics involved

Same for the likes of solar. Solar options from 10 years ago are VERY different to whats available today. In another 10 years there'll be better options again.

Capt'n Midnight

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120081958#Comment_120081958

What's your plan for spinning reserve for SCRAMS / backup for delays in construction or outages / daily and yearly peaking ?

Nuclear is a one trick pony, baseload or nothing. And it's not as reliable as claimed for baseload. Besides we don't need baseload on a grid that only needs 5% synchronous generation.

Pa ElGrande

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120082146#Comment_120082146

Regarding the WEF. They are useful as a bellweathher to see what the great and good are thinking behind the scenes, the purpose of the gathering though is how some very rich people can maintain their wealth.

 “The interest of [businessmen] is always in some respects different from, and even opposite to, that of the public ... The proposal of any new law or regulation of commerce which comes from this order ... ought never to be adopted, till after having been long and carefully examined ... with the most suspicious attention. It comes from an order of men ... who have generally an interest to deceive and even oppress the public”

― Adam Smith, An Inquiry Into the Nature and Causes of the Wealth of Nations. Volume 1 of 2

As I've said previously climate change is a vehicle of convenience for many disparate groups who cloak themselves in various shades of green to move their cause forward. Some of those groups, have nefarious intentions, especially the dark green Malthusians, who came to the fore of the environmental movement in the 1960s and 70s, pushing a population reduction agenda wrapped up in science.

The socialists have jumped on the bandwagon ever since the communist bloc fell in the late 1980s. They rally under the climate justice banner.

Do you know that much of the NGOs funding and groups like just stop oil pushing climate propaganda comes from a combination of about a dozen extremely wealthy philanthropic grant making organisations supplemented with revenue from taxpayers. The people who control the wealth behind this grant making organizations don't fly economy class. Many of the wire services e.g Bloomberg, Reuters, Associated press are in receipt of this funding.

What's in it for the bank of international settlements, international monetary fund and world bank? All this carbon trading is ripe for fraud (e.g. carousel fraud) since it is not tied to any tangible assets, but there are fees to be earned by the middlemen.

Eating insects are a last resort survival strategy. Interestingly they have been rapidly approved by EU bureaucrats for public consumption in recent years. Meanwhile cost of living is biting us. Aldi, Tesco, Co-op now putting security tags on products - full list of items affected. So far in Ireland I've only seen meat products carry security tags in recent years. Anyone for insect burgers at the discount section?

https://twitter.com/teagasc/status/1607360619929374721

None of the actions implemented by green policies can reduce the cost of living, their actual stated intention is to restrict access to food and restrict travel by a combination of ratcheting up the cost and restricting production. Can it be any wonder that people affected by this form the impression that the people on top who buy indulgences are trying to create a dystopian future akin to Soylent green.

The climate cringe movement is being used by some very rich people for their own ends. When people like us cannot afford to live near work, when wealthy people who have been the primary beneficiaries of negative interest rate policy in the past decade (asset appreciation) combine to tell us that global warming is our fault and WE need to make sacrifices while they fly around the world to warm, sunny tropical islands and buy their way out of their hypocrisy though modern day indulgences. It won't be the polar bear, or coral reefs, that bring down governments, it will be their own technocratic global warming induced hubris.

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120082483#Comment_120082483

are you some kind of AI for the anti-climate change agenda? i mean it must take you so long to produce and read all of these links in every post. I just ignore your posts as they're just a load of waffle and you continually post links to really dodgy sources, as has been pointed out loads of times.

ginger22

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120082043#Comment_120082043

And how much of the Chinese tat have you eliminated from your life.

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120082531#Comment_120082531

does it matter? it would take a much greater effort than just me trying not to buy chinese tat, ireland and the rest of europe should be doing their best to stop importing things that we don't need.

Pa ElGrande

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120082173#Comment_120082173

People are free to evaluate the claims. Since you have bought up skeptical science, I will draw your attention in particular to Dana Nuccitelli and John Cook, among the principle founders of this site. Cook is the originator of the discredited 97% consensus. Nuccitelli works for a multi-billion dollar US environmental business (Tetra Tech) and writes prodigiously about global warming and related matters from a very distinct perspective. Gibbons and Nuccitelli share similar space in that their purpose is to throw mud. Nuccitelly relies on his targets not having the resources to sue him for libel. In the US this is grinding process that takes years and without sufficient resources you are unlikely to succeed.

Pa ElGrande

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120082181#Comment_120082181

Majority don't care one way or the other until they feel the negative impacts of one of a combination of green policies enacted by the political establishment in Ireland. The policies combined with others have an impact on peoples welfare, in the availability and affordability of accommodation, energy, food, employment and travel. That's great for those of us lucky enough to be able to afford this, for the rest of us, tough luck.