"Green" policies are destroying this country

roosterman71

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120705463#Comment_120705463

No. I disagree with that too. I'm just pointing out what the CSO stated. I'm in favour of data centers. They are critical pieces of infrastructure and if one of them was powered down I bet a lot of money many of the whingers about them would be giving out that something they use and take for granted isn't working any more.

I suppose I was showing how they are consuming more, and people less. All the while we have a "climate emergency" where we can't build turbines offshore, or today on a closed bog becuase some crowd want to know te impact of activities there the last 50 (or more) years. And it's total horseshit

Kermit.de.frog

Who'd have thought this is where stupid gets us?

https://www.rte.ie/news/2023/0612/1388720-amber-alert-electricity/

200mg

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120705602#Comment_120705602

I'm sure the hydrogen and batteries will come online to take up the slack. 🤪

deholleboom

Maybe we can stop calling these things wind- and solar FARMS. That was done to give them a green tinge and has of course nothing to do with a food producing farm.They are industrial sites producing energy just like coal. Unless you want to call every other energy producing site a farm. Like a coal farm, a nuclear farm, a gas farm.

roosterman71

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120705741#Comment_120705741

Good point. They shouldn't be called farms. We all know farms are the biggest problem facing humanity and these wind/solar installations are one way of undoing the damage farms inflict on the population

charlie14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120705190#Comment_120705190

20 years ago because of frivilous objections we were attempting to reduce the stages at which a judicial review could be sought and limit the entities that could do so. Back then many of those objections, from housing to fishing clubs and all in between, were being taken by people with no connection to the area and who often lived long distances from what they were objecting too. I`m sure it was just coincidence that many of them were affiliated with An Taisce and didn`t have a pot to piss in financially so no chance of them having to pony up when cases didn`t go their way.

Now we have a complete 180 degrees about turn and are financing any one man and dog outfit that attaches climate change or environment to their name, where win lose or draw the taxpayer, not only paying to defend against them, but also funding them all the way through the legal gold mines.

Not only funding them, but they have now An Bord Pleanala afraid to allow anything they may object to on even the most frivolous grounds as they will run to the courts, and we have a government minister shooting his mouth off attempting to influence An Bord Pleanala`s decisions as we have seen from Ryan with the Shannon LNG application.

For a shower that have so little public support it is utter madness in a democracy.

prunudo

This is the type of thing we should be embracing. Thinking outside the box, usable for everyone. I've always felt it was odd we don't encourage motorbike and scooter use more in this country compared to our European cousins, even the UK are more motorbike friendly than us.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cr8o8aZoFhk/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

deholleboom

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120705759#Comment_120705759

I totally agree. I would go further though. I think we should stop ALL farming and go back to our trusty hunter-gatherer status in which we had little posessions as we had to carry our stuff to the next lot, occasionally killing members from the next tribe, stealing their women, killing their children because you dont want them to go after you when they grow up. Makes sense.You know, the jolly tribal warfare method we applied for most of our history. 8/10th of our current population will be dead but hey, a small price to pay to save all the animals and the planet, right? We will be SO much better off. But let's just start with limiting farming and see what happens!

Akrasia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120697641#Comment_120697641

Ben Goldacre wrote the book that you're using to justify not believing the science behind climate change, but he is not a climate change denier.

Climate science has so many independent lines of evidence supporting it, and when you follow the money, the economic interests in debunking the climate science are heavily skewed. OPEC and the Fossil Fuel industry are making trillions of dollars worth of profits and their biggest threat is renewable energy and regulations that are aimed at making their core product redundant

It's laughable to claim that the poor oil industry cannot compete with those moneybags climate scientists or the renewable energy indistry.

Akrasia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120697556#Comment_120697556

And again, BESS and Interconnectors are sources of energy, as well as the proposed Green Hydrogen infrastructure that will mitigate the risk of the sun going on strike and the wind disappearing

What happens if there's a sustained drought and our Gas Turbines have to be switched off because of water shortages?

tom1ie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120706347#Comment_120706347

Interconnecters are indeed sources of energy- if the other end of the extension lead has energy to sell………..

The sun doesn’t go on strike- the earth just goes through seasons as it circles the sun.

Wind as we know from the likes of today can indeed deliver a very low output.

Green hydrogen is a well proven grid mainstay in the highly industrialised megalopolis of……Orkney. It may have a global future but your putting all your eggs in one basket there.

Akrasia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120701098#Comment_120701098

The 'debate' is over. Climate change is happening faster than the IPCC projected and we're likely to get over the 1.5c of global warming considered to be the upper limit to prevent the worst consequences of climate change within a few years

Every prediction made by climate change deniers has been proven false over and over and over again.

200mg

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120706421#Comment_120706421

Are we not supposed to be dying due to a maximum el ninio. In other news the upper atmosphere is cooling. So are we going to fry freeze or be underwater or all of that at the same time ?

Akrasia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120705602#Comment_120705602

If only we had more than 7 offshore wind turbines

200mg

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120706459#Comment_120706459

how many would you need to build there. 10 km/h faster than cut in speed is not a great speed tbh.

Pa ElGrande

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120705602#Comment_120705602

Well. 1 turbine x 0 wind = 0 generation, 100 x 0 = 0, 1000 x 0 = 0

and in the UK

https://twitter.com/Share_Talk/status/1668162326275530752

Akrasia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120706472#Comment_120706472

7m/s would produce about half of the maximum rated power for each turbine

If the Arklow phase 2 wind farm was constructed, that would be about 400mw, which would be more than any other power generation plant in Ireland and would likely have been more than enough to avoid the amber alert from today.

https://www.sserenewables.com/offshore-wind/projects/arklow-bank-wind-park/

We need to accelerate the construction and commissioning of renewable power infrastructure in Ireland.

This includes BESS and additional interconnectors to allow us to sell power when we have a surplus, and purchase power from the continent and the UK when their weather conditions are more favourable for renewable generation

Akrasia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120706489#Comment_120706489

If if wasn't for the renewable generation,, there would need to be 30+ more of those coal burning power stations operating today in the UK

Hopefully the UK will ramp up it's renewable infrastructure so that the number of fossil fuel plants required continues to get lower and lower.

prunudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120706459#Comment_120706459

6 now after one was struck by lightning last winter.

JRant

Classing an interconnector as a source is like claiming transmission lines are a source. We can either import or export on it but it's not a source on the grid.

BESS is okay at frequency response and short term load balancing but about as useful as a chocolate teapot for longer depressions like we have at the moment.

The mythical green hydrogen is another one of those white elephants we've all heard about before. It's cost point is way to high to be used as anything other than a novel source of fuel for companies looking to improve their ESG score.

To meet our energy demands for the next decades we will need a mix of wind, solar, gas, and hopefully nuclear in the form of SMRs. Talk of having GWs of spare generation to just produce all this extra energy for storage fails to state who any of it will be actually stored beyond nice presentations and puff pieces, how it will be used, and more importantly what will it actually cost the consumer.

Akrasia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120706558#Comment_120706558

It's still there, just out of action for maintenance. There are always generators offline for repair, regardless of what technology they use.

They might not bother fixing that one, given that it's almost 20 years old and is obsolete technology now

Arklow 1 was 25mw, Arklow 2 will be 800mw

prunudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120706717#Comment_120706717

Yeah, they might not put it back into operation, as you say, its there a long time now.

I'm surprised SSE didn't push harder for phase 2 last time out. When the auction happened earlier in the year, areas that are far less advanced in planning and exploration had more interest.

charlie14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120706347#Comment_120706347

Do you actually know what energy generation is ?

Batteries store energy, they do not generate it, and for a national grid they are as useful as an ashtray on a moter bike. Interonnectors are glorified extension lead and generate nothing either.

If there was a sustained drought what is going to happen with your green hydrogen, the hoped for and expensive by-product of the only two eggs in your green generation basket ?

Akrasia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120706619#Comment_120706619

Ok.

If you want to think of it that way, then Charlie saying that we rely on only wind or Solar is wrong, because all of the generators that feed into the interconnector are also sources for the Irish grid.

That means Ireland has wind, solar, electricity, geothermal, nuclear, Hydro (which is not 'tapped out' on an European scale) etc

Or if you want to just accept that the interconnectors are a source of energy to the Irish Grid, that's also a perfectly acceptable interpretation

The fact that we have interconnectors (with more to come) means we can charge up our BESS from the EU grid when they have surplus power off peak, and use that power during the few hours when our generators cannot meet demand

Green Hydrogen isn't a 'white elephant'. It's a mature technology that is proven to work and can be stored for use as reserve. Hydrogen can be converted to Ammonia which is in itself a valuable raw material for industry and for creating fertilisers for food production. The green part of green hydrogen is that it is produced from electricity that is generated without any CO2 emissions

Its a way to make renewables more efficient. Because Renewables are 'intermittent', we need to have additional generation capacity compared to our average electricity demand. The cost of fuel is basically zero.

BTW, intermittent is site dependent. Over a continent scale, there's never going to be a time when there is no wind or solar anywhere. there is always wind, there is always solar. There's always nuclear, there's always geothermal...When it's calm in Ireland, it's windy in the North Sea, when it's cloudy in France, it's bright in Germany. At some points there is a surplus of energy throughout the whole continent scale grid. These times will see marginal costs for electricity fall to zero, or even negative pricing, so every storage facility on the grid will switch to charging those batteries/pumped hydro, green hydrogen reserves. The marginal cost of producing electricity is close to zero, so unlike Fossil fuels, where generators get shut down, there will be an abundance of electricity that can be stored for later

Akrasia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120706759#Comment_120706759

Batteries don't just 'store energy' batteries create electricity using a chemical reaction. With re-chargable batteries, that chemical reaction can be reversed to allow the same battery cells to be re-used multiple times.

All 'fuels' for electricity generation are merely changing energy from one form to another.

Batteries are a much better 'source' of energy than pumping sh1t out of the ground, and then selling it on a volatile global market to the highest bidder, and then shipping it and piping it to big giant storage tanks, where it can then be burnt to produce energy and a whole load of unwanted bi-products that are destroying the planet.

roosterman71

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120706082#Comment_120706082

What? No way pal. We'll get our food from the supermarkets. Probably processed to the highest standards which obviously means better than anything any farm can give us. What with all the rules and regulation food processors have to follow to allow us eat such high quality foods on a daily basis. And before you say "emissions from processing", I say fill the roofs with solar and have a wind turbine too.

roosterman71

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120706489#Comment_120706489

UK starting a coal plant, and us importing electricity from the UK. Presume our imports are from the renewable sources and not a coal plant.

charlie14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120706824#Comment_120706824

Will you ever have a bit of sense. Batteries are storage devices. You are not going to get more out than you put in.

What next, ignoring the laws of thermodynamics where petutual motion will provide unlimited energy ?

That sh!t being pumped out of the ground is the sh!t that is providing all the tech so loved by greens

Akrasia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120706952#Comment_120706952

You put 2 double A batteries into your tv remote. What is the power source for that tv remote?

JRant

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120706782#Comment_120706782

How big do you think the interconnector is? It already transmits power from the UK to Ireland with nuclear as part of the UK grid mix.

BESS for a few hours? On what scale are we talking about here? GWs of power for hours? Who pays the billions and billions it would take to install such a system?

If green hydrogen is a mature tech, tell me why you can't get it here in Ireland beyond extremely small amounts. Where is this mature tech you speak of?