"Green" policies are destroying this country

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120709309#Comment_120709309

You may be right, time will tell. That being said, 80% is a good target to aim for. We can already see some of the bottlenecks getting addressed e.g. establishment of MARA, the MAC process, restaffing of ABP (more needed obviously), establishment of a planning court, increase in the number of judges and so on.

They are, at least, aware of these bottlenecks and doing something about them.

They obviously could do a lot more though. For example, the additional judges being appointed, realistically, to bring us in line with other EU nations, we should be appointing 4-5 times as many.

deholleboom

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/06/13/green-industrialization-greatly-increases-co2-emissions/

A little calculation about the whole offshore wind turbine production..

Akrasia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120709831#Comment_120709831

That fossil fuel propaganda money being put to good use I see

Peabody Coal sponsired CFACT so they can put out false and misleading 'research' for climate change deniers to dump on social media across the world

The writer even advertises for 'confidential research and consulting' on the page (offering his services to write lies for money)

In fact, leaked documents from 2012 show that this person was contracted by the Heartland Institute to write a curriculum that was specifically intended to cast doubt on established climate science

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/blog/2012/feb/15/leaked-heartland-institute-documents-climate-scepticism

You should be careful where you get your information from.

Wind and Solar have lifetime carbon emissions way way lower than coal or gas, petrol or Diesel.

Anyone advocating for more gas turbines instead of more solar or wind with storage is advocating for white elephant construction projects that will not deliver long term returns for the environment.

THE_SHEEP

I just pulled these graphs out of my ass......😉

deholleboom

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120710378#Comment_120710378

Well, yeah, but you are not supposed to read the IPCC reports. ONLY the summery for policy makers. That's where the real experts live, you know😄.

Just to add: here's a link to a paper considering one of the big extinctions (Permian). In conclusion: it is due to a LACK OF Co2 and colder temperatures, the opposite of the one proposed by the Extinction Alarmists:

https://perhapsallnatural.blogspot.com/2023/06/co2-starvation-and-plate-tectonics.html

We better hold on to our Co2 levels. Below 150ppm we all die. 1000ppm would be ideal. We have some way to go..

THE_SHEEP

Let's keep our little secret to ourselves ....😉👍

deholleboom

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120710530#Comment_120710530

Too late..🤭

Akrasia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120710447#Comment_120710447

Thats not a scientific paper. Its more fossil fuelled propaganda from the CO2 Coalition who receive their funding from people like the Mercer's and Koch's to spread disinformation to delay the transition from fossil fuels

Packrat

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120710447#Comment_120710447

Sorry, but that's as bad as the shyte D'acor continuously posts here. Utter dung as any simple bit of googling will tell you.

We don't need to post lies and nonsense to refute their lies and nonsense.

It's not helpful.

charlie14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120708068#Comment_120708068

Yeah, you would be inclined to think that it was all good stuff taken at face value, and unlike yourself not having the luxury of spending day and night on the subject, but off the top of my head weren`t renewables up at 42% in 2020 for electricity before dropping to 36% in 2021 and down again in 2022 to 34% ?

Far as I recall demand rose by 5% in 2021 with a futher increase in demand of 3.5% in 2022.

Does that not mean that in the real world renewables are not even running to stand still when it comes to demand ?

Akrasia

I hope you're getting paid by someone to distribute these links, the people who produce these certainly are.

If the atmosphere had 1000ppm CO2 it would be causing chronic health effects on everyone. Once the indoor CO2 PPM concentrations go above 600ppm, people begin to report lower levels of concentration and drowsiness. If atmospheric CO2 was 1000ppm we'd be getting slowly poisoned every time we take a breath

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120710973#Comment_120710973

Not to worry, the rollout is accelerating and the scale is growing too e.g. a single offshore wind farm would equal many years of onshore rollout

The growth at the moment is coming from onshore, which is set to double to 9GW by 2030, and from solar, which is going from near zero to 5GW by 2025 and to be honest, it looks like we're going to smash that 2025 figure as the rollout of it is accelerating at a phenomenal rate.

Off shore will come on line from 2027 onwards I think

Further work being done by various govt entities in terms of climate action plans. This time the HSE, who have announced a multi-decade plan that goes out to 2050

https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/media/pressrel/hse-commences-programme-of-action-on-climate-change.html

The HSE actions will be focused on 10 areas:

1.     Reducing our energy-related greenhouse gas emissions

2.     Developing green spaces

3.     Decarbonising our fleet of vehicles

4.     Promoting low carbon and active travel

5.     Aligning our purchasing of goods and services with decarbonisation and sustainability goals

6.     Baselining our supply chain emissions

7.     Developing greener models of healthcare delivery

8.     Reducing and managing waste

9.     Conserving and reducing water use

10.  Protecting people’s health and wellbeing.

Delighted to see it and it follows on from other depts, local councils and entities who are all developing climate action plans which align with the national targets.

tayto lover

Taken from another thread but worth a watch whatever side of the argument you're on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YrMFSNU0lw&ab_channel=THETOWERRAVENS

Beasty

Packrat threadbanned

Furze99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120709831#Comment_120709831

Yeah but you're not supposed to read this kinda stuff above. Little doubt but there are significant environmental costs in Green Tech. How can there not be? Someone today talking about putting solar panels on every house in Ireland - no mention of where these will be manufactured, at what environmental cost and at what end cost. We're not supposed to question these things but just accept what we're being fed. There's money to be made boys in churning this Green Tech economy.

deholleboom

This from an earlier post.

This is a point that the likes of Steve Koonin and Bjorn Lomborg have made. So it is NOT something they made up themselves but comes from the IPCC itself. And even if you fully accept that climate change has some (or if im generous, large) impacts, that does not mean it is mainly or even significantly caused by Co2, let alone our produced Co2.

The more you examine the climate studies the less certain you will become. It remains a non linear, chaotic multi factoral series of interacting systems in which everybody is guessing the weight of the impact of a individual variable in relation to the whole. Anyone claiming certainty is either lying or delusional. It is not science but politics. Science is not about certainty. Even terms like 'likely' or 'highly likely' 'low or high confidence' are unquantified statements and therefore NOT science. You can push the precausionary principle to its limits but you might end up doing more harm than good. Right now we are on a road to nowhere..

JRant

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120711152#Comment_120711152

The HSE should be fully concentrating on reducing the current waiting list of over 800k people instead of worrying about nonsense window dressing.

charlie14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120711107#Comment_120711107

Megalomaniacs never worry, but then megalomania is a madness of greatness but not a great kind of madness, where getting their paws anywhere near power has not work out well in history for the great unwashed who inevitably end up paying for the madness.

Even when pointed out to such people that things are just not working out the way they were promised, it`s ignore where they then double down by adding more of the same too their shaky foundation built on sand. Financial costs for that great unwashed or economic damage to an economy is never given any consideration. It`s all about their well laid out plans for their ideology. Well laid out plans that no matter how many times they are asked they can never actually give the cost for.

For any sensible minded person looking at a situation where we are now having flashing amber alerts in June when over the last two years supply has dropped by 8% from 42% to 34% and demand has increased over the same period by 8.5%, seeing claims of supply rising to 80% of total demand in just 6.5 years, it not difficult to understand why they might question if we have meglomaniacs with their paws on the reins.

Especially where the government minister front and center of this ideology is ignoring both Eirgrid and the CRU warnings on energy security and increasingly looking as if he is going to do the same on a report he commissioned and paid for with the only answer from him and his ideology disciples being "We will borrow from the neighbours" without a clue if the neighbours will have anything to lend when we need it. That`s not a plan, it`s wshful thinking. But then wishful thinking is the world megalomaniacs live in after all.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120712510#Comment_120712510

We'll just have to wait and see but I'm not worried

200mg

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120712583#Comment_120712583

If you live in Dublin or large urban areas there is no need to worry. It's if you live outside them when they start rolling blackouts to keep the lights on. I assume you will be putting a petition in to ban Data centres using diesel UPS system. I don't expect them to pay probably 1/4 the price of the build to supply a battery backup UPS. And if they did that there is not a snowball chance in hell they would be turning that on outside actual power cuts. So no benefit to the grid.

machiavellianme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120712589#Comment_120712589

In fairness, they test their diesel backups monthly, so they get about 15 minutes running. The other problem is that the EPA apparently only grants them 8 hours running diesels per annum in their licence, so they can't run indefinitely.

Either way, unless the Temporary Emergency Generation materialises soon, we're facing a grim future. Does anyone know when it will be delivered?

charlie14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120712583#Comment_120712583

There is a small cohort in Ireland that would not worry if the Irish Green Party said that to save the planet 25% of the population needs to line up lemming like and walk of a cliff.

Not that they would have any intentions of doing so themselves, but that would not stop them from attempting to convince others to do so. We have already seen their "logic" in action where they were looking for over 1 million cattle to be driven over a cliff when it would not make one iota of differnce to emissions.

marno21

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120713571#Comment_120713571

The worst element of their naive eejitry is the apparent belief that Ireland is a closed island where only Ireland’s emissions matter. No thought as to substitution with imports if Irish production is stopped. Imported beef from deforested is apparently better than beef from these pastures.

Same with the export line. If Irish exports are reduced the demand won’t stop. People importing beef abroad will just import it from whoever is willing to sell it to them.

prunudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120713611#Comment_120713611

And considering the global population is constantly growing, its a strange little ideology they they have.

antoinolachtnai

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120713611#Comment_120713611

This is why we have European level targets and quotas and the CBAM, surely?

charlie14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120713611#Comment_120713611

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120714070#Comment_120714070

The OECD/FAO 2021 Agricultural Outlook Report is projecting meat consumption to increase by 14% by 2030.

Brazil, Argentina, the slash and burn merchants in Brazil and others are gearing up their cattle production to fill that demand, while here our resident nutcases are doing their utmost to kill the sector.

Seems Irish cattle must be unique in that it is only Irish cattle on the planet that emit methane. They really are a bunch of economic homicidal lunatics.

machiavellianme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120714573#Comment_120714573

Sure we can always pour water on the bogs and let the grass grow long in the pastures. That'll help the bees and offset the millions of acres of destroyed rainforest. 🙈

charlie14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120714120#Comment_120714120

The E.U. is not some self contained unit where emissions and economics are concerned.

It represents less than 6% of the global population. Off the remaining 94% the vast majority of those representing that 94% could not give a rats behind for E.U. targets or qoutas and are more than happy to take up any slack created by them. Nor are the particularily concerned about EU targets to provide all the green tech EU greens are pushing either when it comes to the energy sources they are using

Brazil alone supplies the same tonnage of beef to the EU as we do. Last year while the Irish Green Party was stamping its foot threatening to collapse the government (and being cheered on by it`s supporters) if they didn`t get their way on culling cattle numbers, Brazil increased its beef exports to the EU by 14%.

Not that the EU are entirely to blame. Irish greens are on a solo run to ruin the agriculture sector. I don`t see where their could be any other interretation when the EU Agriculture Commissioner last year in Dublin stated categorically that the EU had no interest in reducing Irish cattle numbers as their priority was food security.

antoinolachtnai

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120714777#Comment_120714777

Glad to see you now accept that Ireland’s measures are part of the overall EU package and not freestanding.

Would you remind me again what proportion of global emissions the EU accounts for? And the EU’s share of global trade?

regardless of that it deals with your concern that the EU is simply exporting emissions.