"Green" policies are destroying this country

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121258648#Comment_121258648

Hybrids are literally the worst of both options with few of the benefits of either due to dual drive systems.

This is exactly why you can't get grants for hybrids anymore

Demolition can proceed for Lanesboro peat power plant

https://www.shannonside.ie/news/green-light-for-demolition-of-local-power-station-231310

roosterman71

The Chinese EVs could be hit with EU tariffs in the not too distant future. Ursala vdL said as much in a recent address in the EU where she accused the Chinese manufactures from benefitting from state supports to enable to sell cheaply within the EU, thus undercutting the EUs own manufacturing base.

roosterman71

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121258710#Comment_121258710

The plans will go ahead with ten conditions attached, one stating that works must take place within the next ten years.

Good they have scope here to reverse this if the need arises

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121258885#Comment_121258885

Not really, the planning permission refusal saw fit to that. There is no path forward for it to be reactivated in line with the CAP. Its dead in the water.

Besides, there's big plans for that site that don't involve burning peat

Larbre34

Peat is dead.

Gas is the gap filler out to 2050, oil is the interim solution until gas infrastructure is up capacity. Coal is still possible.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121258948#Comment_121258948

For coal Moneypoint is the last coal plant and will cease coal burning in 2025, switching to oil and only being used as a backup generator from 2025-2029 based on recent reports

https://www.clareecho.ie/moneypoint-to-remain-back-up-supplier-until-2029/

The longer term plans for it are to use green hydrogen I believe

Tarbert is oil, but is switching to biofuels at the end of this year and also going to green hydrogen longer term

https://www.limerickleader.ie/news/home/1061350/tarbert-power-station-to-wind-down.html

Are there any other oil or gas power plants? I know loads of the gas plants have oil as backup but thats it afaik

ginger22

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121259091#Comment_121259091

And what is the backup plan when all this "green" electricity fails to be delivered.

So much destruction in Cork with the recent floods. Met Eireann had this to say

https://twitter.com/laurenanna_1/status/1714920992185704909

Shoog

The reason why many people are not prioritizing climate change is because they are to busy dealing with the consequences of climate change.

The people of Syria were facing years of drought and crop failures, forcing many country farmers to move to the city's destabalizing the already poor communities. This led to anti government protests and eventually civil war.

The Syrians were not thinking about the climate change that destabalized their communities when they were picking their dead children's out of the ruble caused by Wagner mercenaries bombing their communities.

Neither will most of the people of cork be thinking about climate change as they try to rebuild their lives after the devastating floods they have just faced.

Climate change is easy to ignore when your life is swamped by the crisis that it causes.

InAtFullBack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121237718#Comment_121237718

Maybe now they'll adjust the corner, even the much loved TFI buses cannot navigate and no mean dastardly cars to block them turning either.

roosterman71

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121260294#Comment_121260294

Would the rivers being cleaned have helped?

Shoog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121260629#Comment_121260629

No. The Lee cannot cope with a month's worth of rain in a day.

The unfortunate fact is that dredging rivers just worsens flooding downstream at the estuaries such as cork city.

InAtFullBack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121260259#Comment_121260259

Before (1995):

After: (2013)

And plenty more building done since 2013. But it's nothing to do with building more across flood plains and lack of river dredging and clearing of storm drains, all C02 - no doubt. And all the carbon taxes paid by Midleton residents has done what for the town? Nada.

Shoog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121260677#Comment_121260677

So a month's worth of rain in a day was not material. As I said, dredging pleases upstream farmers but is a catastrophy for estuine cities.

Deny, deny deny.

Pa ElGrande

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121260294#Comment_121260294

I expect as much from climate bed-wetters, shoehorning any weather event into their invalid apocryphal beliefs.. This is Clionadh Raleigh in a presentation from 2017 taking an axe to your claims.

There is a cottage industry that has emerged to promote (i.e climate conflict meme) and others very similar to it, and those people and institutions …will find evidence or will…I hesitate to use the word “manipulate”…they will provide evidence as they see fit. There’s plenty of evidence that many of these presumed relationships are nonsense, but they are routinely used by the military or development organizations or by government…

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y90WzN5wGq8

This is what she said on Syria during the Q & A.

…the 150 different militia groups that have emerged in Libya or the 1000 that have emerged within Syria are not doing it because it didn’t rain 10 years ago. That’s not why they’re fighting…

It did disturb me, the way (climate) caught on as the main lens through which people wanted to understand violence…especially the narrative about Syria is quite disturbing”

elperello

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121258022#Comment_121258022

Hopefully but they will be an inconvenience for people who were already 100% recyclers.

Shoog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121260869#Comment_121260869

Whether you like it or not (and frankly I don't give a **** what you like), increasingly natural disasters, regional conflicts and mass migrations are been driven by climate change caused events. The floods in the South of Ireland are just another one to add to the list.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121260899#Comment_121260899

You always have the option to not use them and continue on as you are, nobody is being forced to use them

InAtFullBack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121260654#Comment_121260654

Dredging rivers does not worsen flooding at sea-level estuaries. The causes of flooding in 'estuine cities' is a lack of defence from high tides combining with strong contra-flow winds and also poor to non existent maintenance of local storm drains.

In Midleton the issues were multifaceted - firstly, the volume of water the rivers can carry has decreased owing to silt buildup on the river bed; secondly, the building upon of natural flood plains over the past half century - accelerated in recent decades; thirdly, the lack of flood defences which have been promised time and time again for the town.

The residents have been here before, several times. But nothing gets done. The longer this goes on - the worse it will be from even lesser heavy rain events. Continued silt buildup in the river beds means the carrying capacity of the rivers into the future will reduce further - a 65mm rain event will likely cause as much disruption as yesterday's 80mm did.

If all of Midleton went zero emissions, yesterday's event would still have happened, if all of Ireland went zero emissions, yesterday's event would still have happened, if all of Europe went zero emissions, yesterday's event would still have happened.

Has the penny dropped yet?

Adaptation, like humans have always done is the answer. Nature is not tame, it never was. A small bit of C02 eitherway is not making a damn lot of difference.

InAtFullBack

Ask yourself this question - which of the following scenarios would have largely avoided the flooding in Midleton yesterday:

1: A net-zero Cork, Ireland or even EU?

or

2: River dredging, flood defences, storm drain clearance and maintenance and better planning for new buildings?

elperello

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121260945#Comment_121260945

That's good news.

I was under the impression that a deposit would be charged for each can/bottle to be returned when you put it in the new facility.

Shoog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121260955#Comment_121260955

Dredged rivers flow faster and so collect more water and transfer it downstream more rapidly, especally if there has been any straightening of meanders. This has been well know for literally decades. Upland management is the main method of slowing flow into the river basin and therefore spreading the flood out over a longer period of time - hence lessening the sudden pulse of floodwater. Upland management involves encouraging scrub growth and preserving pristine bogs.

Farmers love dredging because it removes the flooding from their mid-river lands and concentrates it into the lower reaches - where most of the urban centers are. Flood management has been based upon this understanding that dredging only encourages more serious downstream flooding and that is the main reason it has been reduced. Best to keep water in the mid reach flood plains where it belongs for the longest time possible, farmers hate this - but that doesn't make them right.

Of course all of this has been made considerably worse by concreting over the flood plains.

Coolcormack1979

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121261002#Comment_121261002

Word for word what John gibbons was saying on the radio earlier.how dare we have common sense and clean up rivers and drains.

Shoog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121261030#Comment_121261030

Common sense is really not common. Farmers often believe they know better than hydrologists but we all know that they are wrong.

Coolcormack1979

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121261045#Comment_121261045

oh ya bash farmers for everything.it’s really boring.go off and hug a tree and then when u have no farmers eat it.sooner this green bs dies away the better

eightieschewbaccy

I'm pretty directly flooded by the flooding in East Cork area, floods hit the town but also far less built up areas outside of the town that have never experienced flooding. So ya, the 24 hours of torrential rain fall was the largest factor at play and from what I gather storm drains were literally being cleared this week. Obviously flood defences need to improve. But we've got countries across the globe experiencing once in a lifetime weather events on a pretty frequent basis... So yep, global warming is the cause.

roosterman71

Well I know the river running through my land has approx 90cm of silt and stuff built up along it. There is no fish any more as they need gravel deposits to spawn. In the 60s, 70s and even 80s this river was cleaned every 5 years or so and the fish in it fed the village at times. Cleaning hasn't happened since 1989 (incidentally they found a massive gun belonging to the IRA on the banks when cleaning it). Over the intervening years it's got dirtier and dirtier. There's grasses/reeds growing, openings for streams to flow in blocked off, thus pushing water back up them, farmland and woodland floods regularly, houses are now being flooded (last year for the first time ever 2 houses 700m away with a tributary stream behind them flooded. The councils solution was a consultation and now a 750k euro plan to build a 180m wall along behind the 2 houses). There's some fine trees lining the banks which fell in over the years but I'm not allowed take them out. Even the railway that crosses it is now in danger of being flooded at times. All because cleaning of rivers isn't happening. If more rain is falling due to climate change, then we need to shift that water faster to the sea. Flooding of towns isn't a price that should be paid for green ideology, or to protect fish that don't exist

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121260996#Comment_121260996

That's correct, up to you whether you reclaim it though.

Shoog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121261087#Comment_121261087

Rivers managed to flow for centuries before the magical solution of dredging came along and your telling me that stopping dredge caused all of these issues. BS.