"Green" policies are destroying this country

SeanW

Err ... yes, we are doing what Germany does.

Mecanudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118800100#Comment_118800100

And yet bizarrely you did not know that Ireland had its own reserves of natural gas. And we now need more than ever a safe, secure and reliable source of natural gas. That would be best for Ireland. Germany of course will do what's best for Germany. And yet we have some here who seem to be quite happy to kick Ireland in the bolloxs and make sure Ireland won't even be allowed to find new reserves of natural gas.

charlie14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118800100#Comment_118800100

Irish greens have been beating the rest of us over the head for years with Germany being the bestest boys and girls in class that we should all be emulating without question.

Now that Germany has recognised the realities and bitten the bullet on LNG, plus their increase in the use of coal to make up for wind not being a reliable energy source, like the articles wiped from the Green Party website it seems we are all now expected to pretend Germany does not exist either.

ILoveYourVibes

I think we need to differentiate between eco friendly policies and the policies of the most ridiculous party in the country who simply happen to have the name green party.

One is worth investing in long term. The other is really ruining the country.

Banana Republic 1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118797437#Comment_118797437

So are you advocating unlicensed “practitioners ”

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118797636#Comment_118797636

I already have one 👍

Banana Republic 1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118799265#Comment_118799265

Petrol engine spew out carcinogens also, bigly. 🤦‍♂️ You know sweet FA about combustion engines on top o everything else.

John Gormely was the one that convinced Putin to invade Ukraine. 🙄

brokenangel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118800433#Comment_118800433

If you want to discuss Sinn Fein I suggest you head over to that thread. No point bringing those loopers into this thread

brokenangel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118800310#Comment_118800310

Never heard anything about the Greens and Germany, yes they would mention other countries like Netherlands etc to provide information on what they have done

You seem to be the only one obsessed with the Germany. We are ireland. That’s it, if you want to discuss Germany renewal maybe start a Thread on them, just an idea. They have no relevance

malinheader

I'm not bothered about stats and figures for now, but that idiot of a Ryan dismissing the call for the carbon tax in May to be withheld until people can try and get some sort of handle if possible on the massive hikes on fuel and power were experiencing just shows how out of touch this crowd are.

And I'm not going to mention his south facing salad boxes. Idiot.

brokenangel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118800241#Comment_118800241

The gas you keep talking about doesn’t even supply 50% of our requirements now and in future less than 10%. Whoopdiedo we have a tiny gas supply. We should use for public use.

You seem to constantly repost the exact same questions/information, this was already discussed numerous times, other people have pointed out exploration was going on 50 years etc. Not sure why?

ILoveYourVibes

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118800591#Comment_118800591

lol funny on a serious note

everyone knows who i am talking about and i doubt they will exist after the next election

brokenangel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118800623#Comment_118800623

Greens, FF, FG, name me a party that we haven’t had a prediction that they won’t exist after the next election.

ILoveYourVibes

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118800640#Comment_118800640

we predicted it about the pds and lab

brokenangel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118800655#Comment_118800655

That’s a full house

the only one left is PBP …..it’s worth noting for the Shinners, if SF didn’t go into hiding after last election they would have ended up with the Greens as part of the government and you will need them by the looks of it in 2025 🤣🤣

Well of course if SF don’t go into hiding again

ILoveYourVibes

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118800663#Comment_118800663

why do you keep bringing up shinners? Its weird i haven't mentioned them?

brokenangel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118800665#Comment_118800665

Ahh sorry it’s just the normal around here for SF supporter to predict every other party will not exist after the next election

Just pointing out as well the Green Party in all probability will be part of the next government no matter which party “wins”. So your prediction of the Green Party not existing is not really correct now is it?

People keep talking about the Greens disappearing after the next election yet it will not be the case as the Green Party will exist and contest local, national and EU elections for many years to come regardless of the number of seats they hold in any of those.

The GP is a different beast, politically speaking, to Ff, FG, SF etc in this regard as they are wholly focused on enacting changes that protect the environment whereas most parties are in it to get into power for powers sake.

Being in govt allows them to enact changes swifter but not being in govt does not preclude them for doing this, it just slows the pace of the changes they want to bring in.

They do a massive amount of work at the local level to raise awareness of environmental issues. Their success can be seen in the changes almost every party has made to their own manifestos to make themselves appear as "green" too as the electorate are getting more clued into the topic.

There is also a prevailing hope that a lot of their policies will be reversed if they are not returned to power and while this may hold true for a few policies, it won't be the case for the majority.

For all the hate ER gets, he has transformed environmental legislation and requirements from being an afterthought to being at the fore of every single policy across virtually every dept in the government.

In fact, the carbon budgets and climate action legislation has ensured that all future Govt's are legally required to keep momentum going. Should they wish to reverse that momentum, they will be challenged and lose in the courts as has been seen consistently over the last 2 years.

The legislation is there now and the courts are ensuring it is adhered to.

cnocbui

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118799615#Comment_118799615

Most of the turbines were installed when the Greens didn't have a seat at the table, same for legislation allowing people to install larger solar arrays than councils would give tham planning for. If no other country has built a green hydrogen industry, you might want to wonder if the idea is viable practical.

Most of the climate imperative comes from EU requirements anyway so all parties will take action to meet those. What you get with the Greens is nonsensical legislation like diesel vs petrol and trying to ban LNG entirely, punitive CO2 taxes and unachievable targets for home heating refurbishment, 'encouraged' by punative fuel cost increases.

brokenangel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118800729#Comment_118800729

Can you please explain why the cost of building houses is the fault of the Green party?

cnocbui

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118800548#Comment_118800548

Have you looked at the data? https://inchem.org/documents/iarc/vol46/46-01.html

"Overall Evaluation

Diesel engine exhaust is probably carcinogenic to humans (Group 2A).

Gasoline engine exhaust is possibly carcinogenic to humans (Group 2B)."

In one study, they fed rats petrol engine exhausts for 2 years and no increase in cancer rates was observed.

Diesel exhausts contain the most potent carcinogen ever discovered, petrol exhausts don't.

brokenangel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118800769#Comment_118800769

I am sure we already had this discussion on another thread.

In 2008 the science pointed to diesel been better for the environment. This was all the data. No country knew different. The problem was all the car manufacturers lied(As on the other thread it wasn't just VW it was all of them).

If the data was correct and if the car manufacturers didn't lie then the change would have been of benefit to Ireland. Nobody in the World knew the lies been told.

Plus on top of all that, nobody could predict what the population would do, scrapping good cars at huge cost to reduce tax by a few hundred. Even now you see people shouting about the Greens are telling people to scrap cars for electric. Which they have NEVER done. They have told you that IF you are buying a new car you should be buying an electric if it suits your requirements

They have told you to keep your existing car as it is better for the environment to drive it into the ground and then scrap it. Like Eamonn done himself.

I am 100% sure you will ignore all of this like you did last time.

Mecanudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118800610#Comment_118800610

Well once again your comment shows your own ignorance on that subject

"Tiny gas supply" my arse

In 2016 the corrib gas field alone contributed the equivalent of 50% of Ireland's gas consumption. With 58% in total coming from all indigenous natural resource reserves

Today that figure is approx 30-35% of Ireland's gas consumption

You ask why the same topic is being discussed? You mean posters discussing the need for Ireland to be able to use its own Natural resources? Or maybe where your own ignorance meant you didn't even know we had our own indigenous natural gas supply?

Maybe a better question would be, why the continued diatribe against Ireland being able to use indigenous natural gas resources going forward?

Or maybe why has the exploration and exploitation of natural gas resources has effectively been shut down because of the dictates of a small number of green party extremists in this country at a time when a safe, secure and dependable supply of gas is needed more than ever?

Maybe put a bit of thought into those questions rather than simply blindly pushing the green party manifesto as if its gospel and the discussion would be a bit more constructive

Mecanudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118800541#Comment_118800541

I am?

You asked "where are these oil and gas fields ah, companies have only been looking for 50 years"

And I gave a detailed reply to that. Ie facts related to the number of successful natural gas field finds in Ireland over the last 50 years. You can look that information up yourself to verify.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118800779#Comment_118800779

There are few things cheaper now than 14 years ago. Added to that, covid and logistic issues have seen raw materials skyrocket in the last 2 years.

Homes are also built to far higher standards now than back then.

Mecanudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118800799#Comment_118800799

The policies of lunatic fringe party politics certainly hasn't helped eitherway.

cnocbui

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118800785#Comment_118800785

BS. Diesel exhaust containing the most potent carcinogen ever discovered has been known about since 1997. It's not just NOX - the diesel particulates problem has always been know and isn't part of dieselgate and on it's own should have been enough to never favour dieslels, but the hysteria over CO2 prevailed. So that's two issues with diesels that are enough to never favour them, were known in 2008 and which have nothing to do with NOX vs CO2 and dieselgate.

And as for the idea nobody could predict - that is an outrageous lie. The whole Fuc*ing point of the punative VRT rates, the skewed excise rates and the skewed registration costs was precisely to change behaviour, and those 3 measures had the desired effect. The tax changes were not subtle.

Next you will be telling us carbon taxes aren't intended to raise revenue or change behaviour.

Please provide a link to the advice from the government in or around 2008, where people were advised to keep their current cars and not switch to diesels?

brokenangel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118800779#Comment_118800779

Well first off the minimum wage was lower. So you want to build a house but pay the builder less than minimum wage?

Also building standard change to make sure the house is build well and is cheaper to heat etc. Do you want to build a house to lower standard and then waste thousands more on heating the house?

Also between 2011 - 2020 the Greens had no part in the government, so how exactly did they affect the building standards during that period?

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/9463f6-historic-nmw-rates/

brokenangel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118800790#Comment_118800790

You again repeat the same rubbish. 50 years exploring and found nothing, yet you are complaining the Greens have shut it down. Can you please explain what you are going to find after 50 years of finding nothing?

Denmark, NZ, France etc have all banned as well by the way so it's not like Ireland is the only country in the World who has stopped exploration.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118800889#Comment_118800889

To be fair, I've never seen a builder NOT complain about regs.

Without them we'd still be using single pane windows and no insulation.

brokenangel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118800933#Comment_118800933

You accused the Green's of driving up the cost of housing, back it up then. What policy have the Greens implemented to drive up the cost of housing?

Especially as the period you mentioned the Green had no representative in government from 2011-2020

Mecanudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118800908#Comment_118800908

You're not helping yourself are you? And its you who keeps repeating the same "rubbish"

"50 years exploring and found nothing"

😅😅😅

You missed this which was posted previously

"Exploration in Ireland is undertaken by license. Companies undertake exploration based on a cost / value basis so where oil and gas prices are high internationally - exploration demands and value increase.

Todate gas exploration licenses have been awarded at the Kinsale Head, Ballycotton, Seven Heads and Corrib fields. From 1978 to 1995, Kinsale Head along with Ballycotton and Sevens Head, supplied all of Ireland's gas. Corrib field contributed the equivalent of 50% of Ireland's gas consumption. In addition the finding of the Barryroe oilfield of Ireland’s South Coast has the potential to provide the 120,000 barrels of oil a day that Ireland consumes, and a proportion of the gas needed to generate about 60 per cent of its electricity. Current licences for exploration are held by Equinor and Europa Oil & Gas.

The fact that Ireland requires a safe, secure and dependable source of gas is without question. Being wholly dependant on imports of an increasingly scarce, expensive and necessary resource is a now a very serious issue for the country as a whole. And if additional gas fields are not found, there will always be those who will be only too delighted."

As you keep on pointing  out Ireland is not "Germany". Neither are we "Denmark, NZ or France". Maybe best to be consistent  when trying to argue otherwise what you are saying is just nonsense.

brokenangel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118800889#Comment_118800889

This wins the most ridiculous post of the day. My family is in building trade, none of them are complaining about the reg's they have to adhere to. In fact they see the advantage and how great technology has moved on.

If a builder is complaining, then I would suggest you walk quickly away because you are soon to be on a dodgy builders show

Are you actually suggesting that someone builds a house without cavity insulation? yet they have put in A2W? you do realise if they do that the house will cost an absolute fortune to heat and the home owners will lose thousands?

Solar PV/Water does not have to be included in new houses. Solar water, I guess you mean Solar thermal, you have a A2W which is heating the water, why are you putting in Solar thermal?

Heat recovery is a lot cheaper to install during the build.

But from day 1 you should have an architect and a QS. You build the house to the budget you have. You should not be building a house that is too big for you to pay for, that is what we call the Celtic Tiger and look how we ended up after that.

brokenangel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118800966#Comment_118800966

So can you answer what Ireland is going to find after 50 years?

In terms of the last bit, I am sure the other poster can speak for themselves in regards to that but to point out, that is just a reference that other countries have done the same. Three days now we have constant posts about Germany. Sorry if you can't spot the difference

brokenangel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118800990#Comment_118800990

As I pointed out, in the period from 2011 - 2020 the Greens had nobody in Government. Now can you please explain how the Green party changed everything during that period?

Or is this just another statement you can't back up like the "solar pv only works 3 months a year"

brokenangel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118801014#Comment_118801014

😂

I bet that list is a long one .

Best of luck. I would suggest if you know anyone building a house, tell them to please put in insulation

Mecanudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118800993#Comment_118800993

You asked what natural gas was found in the last 50 years and even after all the finds were listed - you now ask "what Ireland is going to find after 50 years"? lol

Well I guess despite after having up to 58% of all our natural gas needs already being supplied by our own natural gas field over those 50 years, the question is what will our natural gas resources be now?

The answer is Nothing, Nada, Neichts, Zero. And that despite the fact that there are natural gas finds remaining untapped of the south coast which it is estimated could provide up to 60% of our Electricity generation needs.

But why is that? Because the green party here have repeatedly sought to end the exploration of natural gas resources as part of their Green Party policy and Programme for Government and have recently succeded in doing so. Capiche?

And yes you compare Ireland to Denmark, NZ and France and yet bizarrely no-one can mention the poster child which was Germany (until recently held up by the greens as an example of what Ireland should be doing). Now the Germans have seen the reality of the situation they're in, they have finally copped on. Something the greens here haven't for sure. Maybe be like the Germans for a change eh?

brokenangel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118801070#Comment_118801070

Back talking about Germany 🤦‍♂️

So at least we have confirmed it is correct to stop exploration because after 50 years. So we can close that down as a good move by the greens.

Any chance you have actually any other Green policies to discuss? or you still stuck on the energy discussion?

Mecanudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118801089#Comment_118801089

Knock knock? Hello? Have you being paying attention at all?

That is other than you repeatedly and incorrectly claiming that Ireland had none of its own natural gas resources and then later trying to bizarrely claim that those resources were "tiny" despite our natural gas resources actually providing up to 58% of all natural gas needs in the last 50 years?

"So at least we have confirmed it is correct to stop exploration because after 50 years. So we can close that down as a good move by the greens."*

No you have not "confirmed" it was correct to stop exploration at all

The fact it's a grossly fcuking stupid idea at a time when Ireland more than ever needs a safe, secure and dependable source of natural gas to help stabilise the inherent problems of renewable energy generation in this country

So now the inconvenient facts are all out there, you want to change the subject from one of the most important issues under discussion to something else because it doesn't suit you? Or it shows the green party for what it is?

Btw I'll stop mentioning Germany when you stop mentioning Denmark, NZ and France or wherever suits your various odd arguments.

* You may wish to use Google translate again as that comment really makes no sense at all. But no matter

brokenangel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118801306#Comment_118801306

Defend what exactly?

So far the thread is people rambling on about energy and have zero idea what other policies the Green Party put forward in the past or present

Akrasia

As true as this is, I don't think even the US military think that they'll be able to bomb climate change into submission

Akrasia

https://youtu.be/98mlJ1N50DU

interestingvideo about converting ICE yo BEV

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118801611#Comment_118801611

I saw that, very interesting prospect. Fair to say its early days yet and the battery pack and model selection is very limited but you'd hope over the next couple of years that it would be extended across both.

charlie14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118800597#Comment_118800597

Not surprised that like the gaps in your knowledge on green policies,you also missed that for years Germany has been held up to us as the shining light.

We are Ireland indeed, but with Irish greens removing articles from their website, their complete refusal to recognise the present realities let alone do anything about them, or the problems the whole policy has created, you could believe we were North Korea.

Mecanudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118801548#Comment_118801548

Rambling on about energy?

You mean one of the single most important issues of our time? Ah ok.

So far your many of your comments have included wholescale misinformation or exhibited a strange lack of knowledge of amongst other things energy and Green Party policy

Now I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that maybe language comprehension might be an issue (frankly I don't know), but there's is absolutely no way on this earth, you could not know that Ireland has its own resources of natural gas and that that those resources have contributed a significant proportion of the natural gas used in electricity generation here. This information is in the public domain and easy to find, and yet you have repeatedly denied, ignored, deflected and obfuscated those basic facts.

Now don't get me wrong I'm not saying you're a Gazprom agent but fuq me they couldn’t do any better.

Then there's the constant gate keeping within the thread. Allow me to detail.

"Maybr you should go live in Germany you seem so obsessed about it "

"If you want to discuss Sinn Fein I suggest you head over to that thread"

"I am sure we already had this discussion on another thread."

"Any chance you have actually any other Green policies to discuss? or you still stuck on the energy discussion?"

"That’s it, if you want to discuss Germany renewal maybe start a Thread on them, just an idea. They have no relevance"

And that's certainly not discussion eitherway.

brokenangel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118801711#Comment_118801711

Housing not important?

Health system not important?

what good is electricity if you have poor health and no house.

I won’t go through the list

Thats an embarrassing statement

Mecanudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118801723#Comment_118801723

But what about but what about but what about but what

brokenangel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118801741#Comment_118801741

🤷‍♂️

Do you agree energy is not the most important?

In reality the most important of our time is water, clean water.

Mecanudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118801757#Comment_118801757

But what about but what about but what

You need to read what was written

Energy..."one of the single most important issues of our time"

But yes without a secure, reliable and dependable source of energy water pumping or treatment of same cannot be guaranteed

Without a secure, reliable and dependable source of energy a programme of house building cannot be pursued

And I won't go through the entire list.

charlie14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118800993#Comment_118800993

If you are determined to not look and prevent anyone else from looking then you are not going to find anything.

Your blind defense of a policy that even the Irish Green party are now embaressed the pushed is just laughable at this stage. It`s not as if the granting of exploration licenses would even cost the state a red cent. That policy now looks nothing more than the greens for whatever warped reasoning are afraid further natural gas fields are found.

To save time and effort perhaps you could post a list of countries we are allowed to discuss and those we are not. Reasons why and why not would also be a help

brokenangel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118801823#Comment_118801823

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118801706#Comment_118801706

🤣

Really it’s just ranting and raving now. Between deleting information off the web, Germany and now North Korea. If you are really posting about this for 8 years you show a real lack of knowledge

Let me point it out one last time, the Greens came into government in 2020 as a minor member, before that it was 9 years they had been part of the government, again as a minor member.