"Green" policies are destroying this country

roosterman71

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121529699#Comment_121529699

Well the mayor in Athlone where free parking is available is a Green Party member. You are right though that green members wouldn't be huge in number. I suppose my point was that public transport and the like is put to the side in favour of getting people in cars into the towns.

Public transport in and out of Dublin, and around Dublin is by far the best in the country. However, according to TII, The N3, N4, N7 and N11 have had more traffic on them to date this year than previous years.

https://trafficdata.tii.ie/publicmultinodemap.asp

charlie14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121529298#Comment_121529298

A rather amusing reply from someone who did not even know what the plan he was supporting was, let alone the cost, and did not know the difference between net zero emissions and carbon neutral. Someone who even after they were explained to many times, with links included, still appears not to know.

It really does not matter one iota where the Irish Green Party are after the next GE. This offshore plan was economically unviable for 30GW nameplate capacity never mind the present 37GW or the 70GW that would be required by 2050 based on Eirgrid predictions. Greens in or out of government is not going to change that.

It is not just on here that the economic unviabilty of wind is apparent. An ever growing number of greens and green activist groups are recognising the same under the green ecomodernist umbrella RePlanet They have successfully campaigned for the inclusion of nuclear in E.U. taxonamy, in Finnish greens voting in favor and advocating for further nuclear plants, welcomed the Netherlands decision to build two new nuclear power plants and have campaigned against Germany shutting theirs. RePlanet in the U.K. is being fronted by former leading lights in Extinction Rebellion which is quite a turn around.

For anyone who cares to see it, it`s not difficult to understand their reasoning. Top of the E.U. best in class list are Sweden, Finland and Latvia. Sweden and Finland due to nuclear, and Latvia where wind and solat provide more or less sweet fcuk all. Even looking at France which has the lowest emission in Europe due to nuclear should be an indicator for other green if emissions rather than attempting to foster their ideology on others was thair real aim

ps200306

The media leaps upon every extreme weather event these days. Here's a headline you definitely won't be seeing, although it's the result of a preliminary survey of US weather for 2023:

"Mostly boring"

• Hurricanes, below average
• Tornadoes, average
• Hail, a bit below recent averages
• Floods, same as the 2000-2022 average
• Wildfires, well below average, lowest burned acreage for 25 years
• Droughts, unexceptional, same as the medium term average, some drought relief since 2022
• Percentage of very wet days, no real trend in the past century, slightly up on the 1980s
• Percentage of very dry days, trending slightly downward over the past century
• Winds, exceptionally strong
• Average temperatures, average
• Extreme heat, well above average
• Extreme cold, well below average
• High temperature extremes affect winter more than summer -- average high for July is up about 0.3C since 1895 while average high for January is up 0.8C.

GreeBo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121531975#Comment_121531975

"mostly boring" if you ignore

• Winds, exceptionally strong
• Extreme heat, well above average
• Extreme cold, well below average
• High temperature extremes affect winter more than summer -- average high for July is up about 0.3C since 1895 while average high for January is up 0.8C.

InAtFullBack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121531975#Comment_121531975

They'd never hype up weather events, would they?

(32) Weather Channel Responds To Claims Reporter Was Faking Coverage Of Hurricane Florence - YouTube

WishUWereHere

Eamo rabbiting on again:

https://www.thejournal.ie/metro-cost-eamon-ryan-6258458-Dec2023/

What we can’t do is what happened the last time.

This guy really is delusional if he thinks he’s going to be given the opportunity to do what his coalition partners FF buggered up - come the next election I’d say he’s a certainty to be shown the door.

ps200306

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121533661#Comment_121533661

"mostly boring" if you ignore

• Winds, exceptionally strong -- good for wind turbines but didn't produce damaging storms. One for the meteorologists to explain.
• Extreme heat, well above average -- yeah, so a bit more aircon required. Not the end of the world.
• Extreme cold, well below average -- a positive boon: cold is bad for people.
• High temperature extremes affect winter more than summer -- average high for July is up about 0.3C since 1895 while average high for January is up 0.8C. -- saves many more deaths from cold than it adds from extreme heat.

By "mostly boring" I guess I mean nothing in particular to worry about.

GreeBo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121534694#Comment_121534694

So you're a climate change denier now Father?

The childish naivety of your "explanations" is frankly terrifying.

gw80

I am just posting this as a "told you so" for future reference,

I envisage a huge hike in the cost of spare parts of ICE cars to make it uneconomical to keep them on the road so people will turn to electric cars.

roosterman71

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121535497#Comment_121535497

Don't know about that. ICE aren't going anywhere for decades yet. There will be a move to EVs in parallel which should be supported instead of being curtailed. This move will reduce ICE numbers on the road. I can't ever see a situation where spare parts and their costs influence buying decisions

charlie14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121535497#Comment_121535497

I would doubt that. There was a lot of publicity over the E.U. baning the sale of new ICE cars after 2035. What got less publicity was that Germany, joined by Italy, POland and Czech Republic, weren`t happy and Germany being Germany got their way. So no end date for ICE cars and spare parts should not be a problem.

charlie14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121535451#Comment_121535451

What is truly terrifying is a plan that no green can give a cost for that if followed would bankrupt the state.

Larbre34

Only that the rump cost, the cost of adaption, is being foisted the most on those in our society that can afford it the least.

And if they fail to adapt, because they cannot afford it, the penalties will get them all the same.

That is what will kill this course of action ultimately and it is certainly what will kill the Green Party, electorally, over the next 14 months. Again.

Clo-Clo

Christmas Day and the only government thread active is the this one and by the anit Green brigade. That's some levels of obsession when you think it is the anti Green brigade who spend a lot of time calling people zealots etc if they show any leaning towards building a cleaner future

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121535540#Comment_121535540

The 2035 was always a target, as I have said many times on this thread that will be dictated by the car manufacturers and not anyone in Ireland, we are too small a market.

It was also a target for new car sales and not for spare parts etc so in reality you will see diesel cars on the road for another 15-20 years at least if not longer, that is of course if they have an alternative to replace diesel.

As I posted on this thread, diesel should remain, but people buying diesel cars but only if they require a diesel engine. One to two long distance drives a year is not a requirement.

elperello

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121530126#Comment_121530126

Athlone does have local bus services and LocalLink rural routes but most of the towns covered by your list of local authorities in the first post do not.

Those towns are what were once known as market towns. The markets are mostly gone but the towns still draw a lot of business from their rural hinterlands.

Offering free parking in town car parks in the run up to Christmas is a small payback to the customers who help to keep the town businesses going the other fifty weeks of the year.

The people coming into the towns to shop would for the most part be travelling by car anyway so if they can get the retail offering they need without going to a city there can be an environmental benefit.

charlie14

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121536795#Comment_121536795

Again you would need to check your facts.Banning the sale of new ICE`s after 2035 was not a "target".

It was a proposal voted on and approved by the E.U. Commission which was then voted on and approved by the E.U. Parliament. The German government, with the support of Italy, Poland and the Czech Republic, then decided they did not like the idea ( as in James Carville "It`s the economy stupid" in 1992), and put a stop to the idea forcing the Commission and it`s then Green Deal maestro Timmerman to back down.

Now there`s a lad that will not look back on 2023 with any great fondness. His Green Deal in tatters, with more of the same looming after the 2024 E.U. elections, gone from the E.U. Commission and his race home to become leader of the Netherlands hoping to stop his Green Deal shipping even more water there also a dismal failure.

There is no end date for stopping the production of ICE`s nor is there any proposed future date to do so. Cot only will ICE cars etc. be available for purchase after 2035 so will spare parts. Highly lucrative products for car manufacturers.

gw80

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121535510#Comment_121535510

I just wouldn't put it past eamon or someone from the green party in ireland come up with the idea of putting a carbon tax on the price of spare parts to make it very expensive to upkeep your ICE car,the idea being you would just give up on keeping it and buy an electric car.

creedp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121537485#Comment_121537485

No need to go to bother of creating a further carbon tax, just jack up motor tax and fuel duty even further until the pip pops

creedp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121537485#Comment_121537485

No need to go to bother of creating a further carbon tax, just jack up motor tax and fuel duty even further until the pip pops

elperello

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121537485#Comment_121537485

I know you're just joking but I hope you are wrong.

There's a lot of classic cars out there that need spare parts to keep them running.

ICE cars will be around for a long time in one form or other.

Pa ElGrande

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121537485#Comment_121537485

I'm currently waiting on the arrival of a new drive shaft from Germany. If not stopped and reversed, the de-industrialization of Germany and EUs Carbon Border Adjustment Mechanism (CBAM) trade protection barriers combined will drive up prices for car parts. There are some companies in Ireland that make car components, but on the whole there is no car or heavy vehicle manufacturing in Ireland, there is substantial revenue derived from the sale and operation of motor vehicles in Ireland, If threatened, the Society of the Irish Motor Industry (SIMI) and revenue will have a greater say on the matter than the minister for the environment. Most of the conversations around greater EV adoption are about road pricing (see UK).

antoinolachtnai

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121538108#Comment_121538108

How Would the CBAM drive up the cost of your car part From Germany? This is a very odd claim.

WishUWereHere

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121537643#Comment_121537643

Remember isn’t there a 5c/ltre being slapped on fuel at the end of this month?

Pa ElGrande

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121538259#Comment_121538259

If you are not driving a German car, there is a high probability that your car is from an East Asian company (Toyota, Hyundai, Mitsubishi, Nissan, Mazda, Subaru, Suzuki, SsangYong, Kia, Daewoo, Kawasaki, Honda, Yamaha). In my day job I'm dealing with the consequences of two German companies ceasing their production in Germany and now operating in Mexico. These are Multinationals (MNCs), where they are not bound by sunk costs, they are looking ahead, they are moving production outside the EU, else they go out of business. In parallel India, China and Asian countries in general are scaling up their energy output. Trade protection measures won't solve the European problems and they will lead to counter measures. Indeed the United States does flex their muscle, with Europes access to Russian gas impeded, the next available fossil fuel support EU has is the United States. If American based MNCs feel their access to EU markets is being impeded by the EU green policies, they lobby their congress to retaliate over several years. For an example of EU folding to US might see the outcome of open skies and Trump was able to pickup votes in 2016 from the American rustbelt.

Don't underestimate that the political pendulum swing, it is going to swing wildly for the rest of this decade, before the new middle ground establishes itself. The rise of the Greens is being associated with the de-industrialization of Germany, there are other factors in play such as the corporate fad that is ESG. The EU green new deal better start delivering jobs and wealth creation, the green roadmap calls for austerity. Austerity does win votes.

WishUWereHere

U

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121538385#Comment_121538385

Austerity wins votes, but for those on the opposition bench.

Pa ElGrande

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121538465#Comment_121538465

Exactly. #BeyondGrowth, austerity is exactly what politicians, bureaucrats and NGOs are talking about. Fine Gael as members of the European peoples party (EPP) may want to reconsider their alliance. Here is Ursula Von Der Leyden channeling the early 1970s Club of Rome claim that "A growth model centered on fossil fuels is simply obsolete." (~1 minute in). The rest of the speech (11 minutes) should be watched to observe this delusion at the heart of the EU.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiBMKpaXIdE

antoinolachtnai

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121538385#Comment_121538385

i enjoyed the discourse and your connecting together of threads, but could you explain how CBAM would drive up the cost of your car part from Germany?

Pa ElGrande

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121539807#Comment_121539807

Aside from the affects on the availability of parts as primary production is reduced in the EU, because among other things energy is too expensive, there are costs of raw materials needed to make them, all that extra regulation (i.e. certificates) come with added cost, and at the same time line the pockets of middle men processing the certificates. Aluminum and steel are used to make car parts.

patnor1011

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121538385#Comment_121538385

There is a speculation that Hungary, Slovakia, (possibly Poland) and Serbia will become what Germany used to be after the war in Ukraine finish.

eightieschewbaccy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121540686#Comment_121540686

Can you cite your sources on this speculation? Cause it sounds particularly outlandish, Hungary is currently going in the direction of becoming totalitarian regime, lacks a free press and has more in common with 1930s Germany or modern day Russia.