Climate Bolloxolgy.

magicbastarder

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118073263#Comment_118073263

'googling enough' in this instance was simply searching for 'sources of atmospheric methane' and the above article was the very first link. it's not like i went on a deep dive to find it.

JimmyVik

We used to be very green and climate conscious in our house.

Even 20 years ago we were recycling everything and only put out bins of things we couldnt recycle once every 2 or 3 months.

We drive an electric car for any journeys that we can. We use public transport when we can.

We like going on holidays though since we live on a rainy island so do fly 2 or 3 times a year. But we used to buy carbon credits when we flew. Stopped that as we pay plenty of "green" tax now elsewhere.

The last year or two we realized we are idiots.

We are making all this effort and yet costs and taxes in the name of the environment are just piling on every year (Fuel, electricity, ever increasing bin charges, even told at one point we werent throwing away enough so we had to pay more bin charges). Nothing we have ever done seems to count for anything.

We are so close to just saying "fcuk the environment", nothing we do makes a difference and we are paying all these taxes anyway no matter what we do so why bother anymore. This whole green agenda is just an excuse to charge us more in the name of the environment.

Dempo1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118073384#Comment_118073384

Exactly how I feel and I suspect we're by no means alone 😏

farmertipp

what amazes me is the deafening silence of rural politicians. I think ff /fg are in for it in next election. the sinn fein people are going to clean up. the amount of people who are thinking of the unthinkable vote is unreal. Jackie Cahill is history

green daries

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118073224#Comment_118073224

Ahhh yessss one of those very good they do PhD certification on google too 👍😉

green daries

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118073298#Comment_118073298

Google away there come back to us when you have any further information please

Lime Tree Farm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118073545#Comment_118073545

"A little learning is a dangerous thing" -Alexander Pope - 1709.

green daries

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118073694#Comment_118073694

Indeed 🤣 and that stands for anyone myself included ...... Maybe it's me your refering to and fair enough if so but with all the talk and tooing and froo ing I don't know if my old brain has any storage left 😁😉

magicbastarder

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118073545#Comment_118073545

grand so, will do

https://web.archive.org/web/20160304112052/http%3A//icp.giss.nasa.gov/education/methane/intro/cycle.html

also

if you have a link which shows vegetation primarily decomposes into CH4 and not CO2, i would genuinely like to read it. because smarmy responses aren't exactly winning hearts and minds.

Beechwoodspark

eamon Ryan gave an excellent overview of the challenges on RTÉ with Claire Byrne earlier - well worth a listen

techman1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118073178#Comment_118073178

But the "science is set" you are a "climate denier" and a "science denier"

This is the strategy that is being used to shut down debate and stop people looking into the minutiae of the calculations, when this is done the whole carbon counting system is full of holes. That's why name calling is used to frighten eminent scientists from properly scrutinizing the figures.

Ireland is being penalised for having a relatively low population density because the carbon counting system is on a per capita basis, therefore countries with dense populations have a lot more people to spread the carbon across. There is no penalty for increasing your population even though the primary cause of increased carbon in the atmosphere is the explosion in the global population from 1 billion people to 8 billion over the last century

green daries

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118073783#Comment_118073783

Eamon Ryan is a blithering idiot he's a mouth piece for a fringe of society who has an even more fringe element who now have the stage and can't quite believe it 🙄🙄

green daries

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118073831#Comment_118073831

Ya this is very true the zealots will push there thoughts and their views through at any cost the fact that a lot of the so called science behind it is flawed and proven to be incorrect doesn't bother them

weisses

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118073178#Comment_118073178

Where can we find this analysis ?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118074055#Comment_118074055

search for information on isotopes 12c and 13c of Carbon w.r.t. carbon in trees since the dawn of the industrial age.

farmertipp

we have a few hundred cheif zealots in this country making all the running followed by a few thousand Indian zealots with one sided state duplicity and any counter arguments get lost.

Not to mention all the money that's pushing this agenda.

ginger22

the problem is we have fiana fail and fine gael hanging onto power by their finger tips with the help of the greens. Afraid to rock the boat.

ginger22

but it will come back to bite them in next election when the cost of living goes ballistic

lalababa

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118073253#Comment_118073253

I wouldn't worry bout the turf. If it's stopped just get wood...plenty around.

patsy_mccabe

We can debate opinions till the cows come home, so a few facts.

Fact 1 - Ireland has the lowest carbon footprint in Europe for Dairying.

Fact 2 - There are 8 billion hungry mouths on the planet. Experts predict that world population will level off at circa 11 billion.

Fact 3 - dairying and cattle farming is a great hedge against extreme weather events like prolonged rain and drought which destroy normal harvests of grain, vegetables.

Fact 4 - people gotta eat.

Dempo1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118074476#Comment_118074476

I'm not at all worried about turf 😏 and I also use wood

lalababa

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118073962#Comment_118073962

Climate change, pollution, and massive overconsumerism and waste are very real things. The Government/business/individuals are and will have to deal with these problems.

ATM we have about 70% of non summer electricity generated by wind.

And that's about it really...the other things we've done are tiny and almost insignificant if worthwhile.

We have to change...to what..?

1. Full renewable energy.

2. Massive cut in consumerism and those things that are consumed must be sustainable.

3. Plant a **** load of trees.

4. Stop all pollution.

5. Go fully organic.

6. Cop the f##k on.

jaymla627

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118074481#Comment_118074481

The real extreme climate alarmists will be advocating going back to 1940's style population control starting with anyone that's partial to a steak and a pint of milk, a fact lost on alot of climate change activists is the fact alot of heavily populated places like califronia for example which is currently going through a 20 year mega-drought "due to manmade climate change" where never ment to be home to populations of tens of millions of people, likewise the Dutch claiming back the sea if in 20 years time this reclaimed land ends up back under water that will be because of accelerated man-made climate change, except its only really reverting to its natural state

Reggie.

Thing is if a new government is formed say with sinn fein could these changes or policies be reversed?

Also if they start with this whole it's a European thing then from what I'm hearding today from lads, if there was a referendum on an exit from Europe I'd say we could have an eirexit. Lads are just do sick of this shite noe. First the beet industry, then the peat and now the Agri industry as a whole.

It's projected upto 75000 people could lose their jobs over a possible 50% cull in the herd. Some pressure on the social welfare system there. Only thing for it is more taxes to pay for it. Where will it end.

Love to know how they would try to inform any cull in the herd. Any official could be met with anything from a thick face to a shotgun

Grueller

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118074531#Comment_118074531

Go fully organic?

If that is adopted the world over my man we will have the poorest in the world suffering disproportionately from food shortages, because there will be savage food shortages.

I have no links to back this up, nor science, nor even a Google search. I do have 30 years farming experience and know that any organic farmers around here have horrendously low yields or stocking rates.

Where would the food for 8 billion people come from?

weisses

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118074628#Comment_118074628

Government needs to retrain people. There are plenty of jobs available in Ireland

You are using the same logic coal miners use. Animal farming and milk producing in its current state is going to end, same as mining coal.

The wise thing to do is to adapt before the rest does... Get a head start

Eirexit?? What do you think will happen If you think the government is incompetent now.

Grueller

This country is b0ll0xed anyhow. Watching the 6.01 news last night and they had what amounted to a promotional piece on for people to live in 40' containers. If that's what is seen as a solution to the housing issue somebody needs to press a reset button somewhere.

alps

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118074754#Comment_118074754

2 Billion of them would starve

jaymla627

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118074628#Comment_118074628

Poland are basically telling the EU to get F**ked at the minute,Hungry the same, if the chinese property bubble does pop next year , and interest rates go up a few % including bonds for countries like ourselves spain/Italy/ Greece, saving the planet will be the least of any sitting governments worries, I reckon the EU project is in its dying days to be honest unless the Ecb can get inflation under control and keep interest rates on the floor

alps

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118074763#Comment_118074763

People didn't eat coal.

Wars didn't start over coal.

The EU wasn't set up to secure a coal supply.