Are we the only country in the EU not to expel non-contributing people from other EU countires?

Jeremy Sproket

Whilst the EU allows for freedom of movement, provisions are there to allow member states to expel people from other member states who are not financially independent or who are causing trouble or becoming a burden on society.

There are several non-Irish on the housing list who have NEVER contributed and who are also claiming the dole.

Can we not implement mandatory registration of abode like they have in the rest of Europe? People are flying in weekly to collect dole and flying home.

Fandymo

No, for some reason Irish politicians want to be seen as the “best in class” by their European counterparts. It’s equally sickening and pathetic in equal measure.

Ubbquittious

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118103800#Comment_118103800

What is the reason for this? Its been that way down through the years on various different issues. Why are they such lickspittles?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058215966/are-we-the-only-country-in-the-eu-not-to-expel-non-contributing-people-from-other-eu-countires

are they ****. flying in to collect dole and flying home like would you listen to yourself.

you realise, surely, that jobseekers allowance requires regular check-ins and you must at least once a month I believe prove you're actively seeking work.

I'd really love to see something that proves this claim because it's absurd.

full JSA is what like €200? whos flying from somewhere in Europe to Ireland to collect €200 and fly back again like.. are you mad? a ticket for the plane alone is gonna skin you at LEAST half of that money, then there's getting to and from the airport, eating, I assume they do and so on.

if someone's at that they're an idiot and either going home with a few quid left over or they're just taken piss

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118110731#Comment_118110731

Have you heard of Ryanair by any chance?

People have been caught doing it plenty. It's a return flight once a month (50 quid booked well in advance) and if someone claims for themselves, partner and 2 kids it's over 400 a week. Or about 1800 a month. It's pretty well worthwhile. Roughly triple the minimum wage in Poland and lovely and tax free. There's been cases where people were caught doing it. Oh look, here's a few from a while back https://www.thejournal.ie/welfare-nabbed-1900-welfare-tourists-in-three-years-1120120-Oct2013/ I know of half a dozen who got out as soon as Covid hit and took the 350 a week, heard a couple were cut off around Easter time this year, dunno about the rest.

Fandymo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118110517#Comment_118110517

Angling for cushy EU roles when they're thrown out by the Irish electorate.

super_furry

"There are several non-Irish on the housing list who have NEVER contributed and who are also claiming the dole."

Who are these people? How do you know of this?

Ray Palmer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118110731#Comment_118110731

This is actually factually true. When the ash cloud hit a few years back there was a noticeable amount of people (thousands) who were unable to appear for the standard call ins. It was certainly financially beneficial to fly in and out. The reality is inspecting people more regularly is not worth the cost for the amount of fraud they would find. When they were introducing the Safe card it was rolled out county by county and the claims could be seen moving over to the next county which made it very easy to spot the claims. Rarely prosecute people and mostly deduct from any legitimate claims.

Yes people do come to Ireland and report homeless upon arrival and are given emergency housing and put on the housing list. Reality is it is a very small amount and other countries in the EU do not do this and deport them. We should do the same but again it isn't much and cost is likely not worth it. I also believe our constitution is in play the same way begging can't be illegal here.

Slightly Kwackers

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058215966/are-we-the-only-country-in-the-eu-not-to-expel-non-contributing-people-from-other-eu-countires

I seem to recall that a woman was caught and prosecuted for doing this a few years back, so it is obviously illegal.

Who are these people that are still doing it, did you report them, what was the outcome?

SK

Geuze

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118111350#Comment_118111350

We know that there are loads of non-Irish and non-EU being housed in social housing, subsidised by the taxpayer.

https://www.independent.ie/regionals/herald/news/over-half-on-housing-list-are-foreign-27973856.html

I have often wondered, and I would like an answer to this question:

are we under any sort of obligation to accept non-EU or non-Irish onto the social housing list?

Geuze

Not alone do we not expel non-contributors from abroad, we welcome them, even though they haven't paid a penny in tax or PRSI, and we put them up in 700k apartments in Dublin.

You could not make this up.

https://gript.ie/the-extraordinary-case-of-tenia-karim/

agoodpunt

Well know many foriegn nationals on the list inc a good hunk of Nigerians WTF?

https://www.theburkean.ie/articles/2021/04/29/how-much-of-the-dublin-housing-list-is-foreign-born

Montage of Feck

It's believable but not when it's coming from a blog, but of course it will never be given much coverage in the mainstream media which just adds to the media death spiral of misinformation.

DebDynamite

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118111956#Comment_118111956

The story in that link is rather bizarre

pgj2015

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118111350#Comment_118111350

They are right in fairness, I know loads of them. But they are nice people and aren't causing problems like our native spongers so let them at it, nothing we can do about it.

Jeremy Sproket

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118111350#Comment_118111350

They're Irish citizens though. Whilst I'm staunchly pro-EU, there's a point when the urines starts to be extracted.

LillySV

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118110731#Comment_118110731

No checks for nearly two years … no requirement to do anything other than fill a form and submit

Jeremy Sproket

Why can't JSA require a daily visit to the post office to collect your money?

People going to work have to make the daily commute, very often several kilometers and spending up to an hour (sometimes more) to get to work and often end up netting less than someone on JSA or JSB after paying rent / mortgage / crèche fees / commuting costs / tax / USC.

LillySV

in regards to why our politicians are so pro European and so friendly to other Europeans … first in class and all that… u not notice how the same politicians get nice big jobs for themselves in eu after their term in office

Jeremy Sproket

Is there a reason we haven't implemented mandatory registration of abode here?

I don't see how it conflicts with the CTA. Everyone in the EU has freedom of movement in each others' countries and they still have to register their abode. Even a Dutch person moving from Arnhem to Utrecht will have to register her / his new address in the "town hall".

Being outside the Schengen (unfortunately), why can't we implement exit checks in out airport to non-UK destinations?

Jeremy Sproket

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118114888#Comment_118114888

I'm pro EU. My dad is from Sweden and my mam is Irish (although I was born in Täby 2 years before we joined the EU 😝

There's a point when the system starts to be abused. Even if I tried to return to Sweden 10 years after I moved here, if I tried going back to claim benefits I'd probably be told to take a hike ...even though I'm a dual citizen and have been since birth.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058215966/are-we-the-only-country-in-the-eu-not-to-expel-non-contributing-people-from-other-eu-countires

how many do Sweden expel?

Hamachi

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118115587#Comment_118115587

Didn’t you mention elsewhere that you have contacts in law enforcement in Sweden? Could you tap into that network to retrieve the numbers?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118115614#Comment_118115614

Pretty sure members of the police don't know anything about it, no more then police here would know anything about our system or numbers.

Nothing to do with police

Hamachi

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118115715#Comment_118115715

Fair enough. If it’s not the police, who’s remit does this fall under? Immigration?

Seems lax if there is zero monitoring or enforcement..

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118115754#Comment_118115754

Some government department or other, justice, social protection maybe?

nothing to do with police anyway.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118114875#Comment_118114875

that's complete bollocks but okay

LillySV

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118120753#Comment_118120753

What is ?

Under EU law an EU citizen only has the right to reside in another EU country for 3 months and after that they have to be working or not working but able to support themselves, be a student or a family member of somebody working here. I know that's not enforced here but do other EU countries actually enforce this?

vriesmays

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118122455#Comment_118122455

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