Kieran Creaven at it again..

19-12-2021 11:05pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118349106#Comment_118349106

They can’t keep it if you ask but they absolutely can store it for “a reasonable period” if they want & they do.

Like you surely don’t believe Facebook and almost every site isn’t reading everything you say?

have you never noticed for example talking on twitter or Facebook about something and suddenly you’re getting ads that are somewhat or directly related?

whether they’re allowed do it under GDPR is irrelevant anyway, they’ll do it til someone cops on and makes a big enough fuss to cause too much negative attention.

long story short if you think Facebook isn’t storing every bit of personal data they can about you, cos GDPR you are literally too stupid to insult.

Pawwed Rig · 19-12-2021 11:15pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118348295#Comment_118348295

It is binary. The amount of children raped is either higher or lower because of these groups. Given their successes my argument is that it is lower and less kids raped is (in my opinion at least) a good thing.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 20-12-2021 5:14am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118347573#Comment_118347573

Yeah I know - and the thread had moved on to more general themes, as well harken over time.

I get what you're saying - Creavan would still be at large of they hadn't done what they did - but are the confrontations really nessecary? No. Do they undermine inveatigations and hamper the attempts to rescue children? Yes. By warning the pedophiles that they've been allerted to the police . Do you really think the police want their targets tipped off? No. They carry out search warrants at 6am for a reason.

Simple solution: do the research, hand the evidence over to the police, move on to the next target.

Annasopra · 20-12-2021 9:48am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118349224#Comment_118349224

No

It isnt binary. To suggest its binary is saying that if you oppose vigilante groups then you are ok with with child sex abuse. That simply isnt true. You know that noone is ok with child sex abuse.

Pawwed Rig · 20-12-2021 10:04am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118350196#Comment_118350196

Your argument is also binary in that you are saying you either oppose vigilantism or not. It is much more nuanced than that. I would prefer that there were no vigilantes and that the Gardai occupied this space but they don't due to resourcing or other issues. In that absence I am glad someone is doing it as they are clearly having successes and protecting children.

So given the choice of protecting more children or getting rid of these groups I am going with the former.

Annasopra · 20-12-2021 10:11am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118350238#Comment_118350238

Ok

So you agree that its not a simple binary choice of: You oppose vigilante groups therefore you support child sex abuse. Upto now you have kept intimating that just because people oppose these groups that they are fine with child sex abuse. We have established you dont agree this is true now so can you please stop intimating that in the thread.

Pawwed Rig · 20-12-2021 11:15am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118350274#Comment_118350274

No I don't agree with what you're saying and I have outlined my position repeatedly. Maybe you are missing my points. Why is it so important for you and others that I come around to your way of thinking? It is ok to disagree

20-12-2021 1:16pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118343668#Comment_118343668

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118349224#Comment_118349224

Let's see what plays out?

Would it play out any differently do you think if they had just sent the evidence to police and allowed them to Investigate properly, obtaining warrants legally etc?

Instead their video was of nothing, and can quite be argued by the defence very prejudicial, given they didn't stop him committing any crime.

Annasopra · 20-12-2021 2:39pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118350551#Comment_118350551

Your position is outlining the position of others. Thats the problem. You think you can speak for others.

You are gravely insulting and completely and utterly misrepresenting the views of people. You are presenting the views of people who disagree with you as supporting child abuse. That is completely untrue and its a shameful slur.

Your position is a lie about the position of others. Its not important that you come round to my way of thinking. Its that you acknowledge that the position you ascribe to me and others is not our position. To suggest you can speak for me and to misrepresent my views is simply a lie.

AndrewJRenko · 20-12-2021 3:16pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118349166#Comment_118349166

You just make up that 'reasonable period' bit, didn't you? When you delete your data, they have to delete it. Nothing about 'reasonable period' in any GDPR details that I've read.

Use of materials for advertising is a different matter, and is nothing to do with deletion. It is also the subject of a major legal case against Google, led by Johnny Ryan formerly of Brave, so they don't get a free pass on this stuff.

If you think Facebook aren't deleting data when you delete it, and this has never been leaked by whistleblowers or picked up by Schrems or others, you're living in a fantasy world.