Why do Landlords feel entitled to rent increases?

meijin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118425317#Comment_118425317

or you can go to RTB after you move out, and get a refund of overpayment, plus a compensation

Pawwed Rig

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118425317#Comment_118425317

Then you check of it is rerented and you sue him for a 5 figure sum.

jo187

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118425317#Comment_118425317

Yeah this is the trap and fear you live in. Increase the rent as there is nowhere else to go or to expensive to month.

Our property agent on behalf of the LL put the rent up. She used two, two bedroom apartments in the area as examples for Increase, while we are a small one bedroom.

We went to threshold who said we had a case. So went to RTB, it was a stessful three months we got meadation which did noting. The agent stood her ground and that was it. We had to take the hike.

Threshold got in touch after and said RTB always goes for meadation as its easier and quicker for them. I forget the word they used but we should have gotten a judgement on the case which we ask for it at the start.

So RTB not on tennet side.

jo187

Aguce

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118425815#Comment_118425815

Are you in Rent Pressure Zone and was your rent increased withing allowed limits?

jo187

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118426033#Comment_118426033

It was using the comparison of 2 bed app vs our 1 bed app were our objections.

It raises the rent under "market vaule" and used those examples.

Threshold said we had a case. If rtb handle it properly it might been null and void

Manion

Sounds like you took a case over a 2% increase that RTB determined was correctly applied. The exact same property in the area is unlikely to be found they just need to show a general market value. If I was your landlord I'd take a dim view of a tenant being so tight fisted and kicking up such a stink over a few extra euro a week. I hope you sent them a Christmas card to make up for it.

jo187

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118427661#Comment_118427661

Wow fee extra quid? It was 75 euro on top of the high rent already. Nice of you judge people so quickly. Maybe that's not a lot to you but it is to me. The LL lives in Australia and couldn't give a flying tuck about me. All done by the property agent.

Manion

Your story is all over the place frankly. Previously you said you where in a RPZ, are we to understand 2% is 75 euro ? So your renting a one bed apartment for nearly 4K?

Either you're living in one of the most expensive locations in the country, Spencer docks, or you've had years and years of no rent increases and rather than be thankful you kicked off and the landlord was allowed to apply a formula. You're exactly the reason landlord put up rent yearly.

Ray Palmer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118427847#Comment_118427847

Are you saying you care deeply about the landlord? Why should the landlord care about you personally? Double standards of people is quite astounding. You are judging somebody you haven't met. Be unhappy with renting all you like but you don't need to be hypocritical about things

jo187

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118428147#Comment_118428147

I'm not being hypothetical. The LL never even seen or talk to me with them living in Australia. I very much doubt they care about a xmas card off me or the fact I need to make it up to them as the previous poster implied. Needless to say I didn't get one or expect one of them.

Manion

Frankly, if you don't like paying the rent move out of your luxury 4K a month city center apartment to some place more affordable, perhaps with a commute. I cannot believe after all these pages of posts it boils down to you feeling entitled to live in silicon docks at cost. At one stage you where talking about being on the verge of homelessness. I rent out a 3 bed house for half what you're paying less than 5 km from the docklands, get a grip, you choose to pay that rent.

sk8board

https://www.independent.ie/news/20000-landlords-have-left-rental-market-since-2016-41281211.html

the totals given here are 298k LLs, down from 320k, but the RTBs own numbers are 165k, down from 178k.

these numbers today seem far to high; there’s only 3.5m adults in the whole country, i seriously doubt 1 in 11 are landlords, considering only 1 in 4.5 houses in the country are rented.

ted1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118428072#Comment_118428072

It may have. Even more than 2 years increases. So 2-10%

Mad_maxx

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118425317#Comment_118425317

That landlord is taking the p1ss, you have options to fight this including fighting dirty

What this landlord has done is dirty so play them at their own game ,they might just be testing you

Mad_maxx

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118425815#Comment_118425815

If a tenant has done even a modest amount of homework, the RTB will side with them ,the RTB are inherently tenant albeit they are a pretty awful outfit in terms of efficiency

Bass Reeves

Can a rent review be had delivered or has it to be posted to the recipient

DubCount

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118543271#Comment_118543271

Is has to be delivered by the seventh son of a seventh son while there is a full moon and a pipe band to accompany him ....... oh wait, thats just the Residential Tenancies Bill 2022.

It can be hand delivered, but in the case of dispute, there is no proof of delivery. I would recommend registered post so there is a paper trail.

mrslancaster

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118544035#Comment_118544035

Registered post needs to be signed for by the recipient. What happens if there is nobody at the premises to sign for the letter?

I think I read somewhere (maybe on boards or rtb website) that proof of postage is sufficient when either a tenant or a landlord is sending any notice about the tenancy, eg rent changes, notices about maintenance /repairs, notices about utility works to the premises, termination notices etc.. It's assumed the letter is delivered by An Post and received by the addressee.

Is a "proof of postage with tracking" an option for a letter or is that just for packages? That could prove it was delivered by An Post if there was any dispute.

DubCount

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118545347#Comment_118545347

You can get a certificate of postage (for free) when posting a letter at a post office. This is an option if you believe the tenant will not be there to accept a registered letter. You could also put it through the letterbox yourself with a photo incorporating todays newspaper etc. My point was that you need some kind of proof to show that the notice was sent on the correct date in case you end up in front of the RTB trying to prove it.

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118546370#Comment_118546370

It's no problem if they challenge it, if I have to redo it the next one will be double the increase.

Fian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118325704#Comment_118325704

You say that if they don't buy the house by Feb you won't sell since you will be ok to meet the mortgage once you move to market rent. You do understand that you will be limited to a 2% rent rise for each year since the rent was last set? Seems pretty unlikely that will lead to a €350 per month increase, unless current rent is pretty high.

Let's say current rent is €2,500 per month - it would need to be 7 years since last set before you would get your €350 increase to cover the shortfall between rent and mortgage you describe. Obviously it would be longer if current rent is less than €2500.

That is assuming HICP has moved that much over 7 years, though i expect it probably has.

Fian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118425218#Comment_118425218

You absolutely don't have to pay this. If they react to a refusal by serving a notice to quit, just refuse to leave and go to RTB. Continue paying your existing rent.

If you do decide to pay the increased amount keep records of it, do not pay in cash. Then when you find another place or decide to leave go to the RTB and get all the overpayments back, along with your landlord getting a massive fine.

the legal protections for tenants are actually effective.

CuriosityKilledtheCat

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118560376#Comment_118560376

Luckily for me the house is in a non-RPZ - so I can if I choose to, move the rent to market value. This would currently represent an increase of approx. €300/month although I am reluctant to do this. The tenants are almost there with Rebuilding Ireland loan. They have been told that their application has passed all checks and will be up for consideration at the next (I presume finance committee) meeting in mid-Feb. They are desperate to try and get the house and I will stand over my agreement with them if they can get the money.

I will await the outcome of this before I make any decision. I am torn between serving notice of intention to sell or a rent increase. I know I could do both but if I decide to go ahead and sell, I will not increase the rent. At this stage, I am leaning towards selling the house.

csense

They feel entitled to it because it's there to be had. Its money left on the table otherwise.

If a landlord or vulture fund could charge a million euros a week and are sure they would get it, how many would charge a million euros a week? Nigh on every last one, that's how many.

This is the result of allowing a fundamental aspect of society be financialised or commodified, it spins out of control and those lucky or conniving enough to have tripped into such a talentless method of extracting money from productive people will invariably take every last drop of blood they can lick up.

Hence, a government, that's supposed to govern, doesn't allow this to happen with food or water or housing.

But they did allow it to happen, and not benignly through incompetence or blindness, but purposefully and with the specific goal of getting as much money personally for themselves and their cohorts while the goings good. Nobody in their right mind could say otherwise over the course of so many years.

Remember the obvious, the outrageous amounts of mortgages and rents are being sucked out of more and more of the population, yes, but that same outrageous money is also flowing into other people's bank accounts. And what are the odds those same bulging accounts share proximity with the same policy makers that enable it all year after year?

The country is being taken for a ride and robbery engenders robbery, filtering all the way down to the individual who works all month only to hand over the fruits of their efforts to someone else for the fleeting glory of not being made homeless.

That's why.

Ray Palmer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118571298#Comment_118571298

Proof to any of these claims of conspiracy? Incompetence explains things better. Many bad decisions are made due to public pressure. RPZ is a prime example of doing something poorly to appease the public but makes the problem worse. I don't think the planned on it making landlords leave the market but are you saying that is the plan so rents would rise?

sk8board

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118571298#Comment_118571298

an incredibly one-sided view, so in the interest of some balance, I’ll just give this one point:

in 2012, when the market was awash with far cheaper rentals (20,000 of them to be exact, versus 1,300 today), the government decided to cut all capital spending on social housing and instead turn to the private investment market & accidental landlords to provide social housing, through the introduction of HAP.

if you want it solve this problem, build more social houses to take all the social tenants back out of the market, which hugely reduces the demand side economics, and rents will normalise pretty quickly.

until that happens, nothing will change. Houses can’t pop up overnight like mushrooms, but the mistake was made 10 years ago in 2012.

Otherwise you’re just shouting into the abyss about how someone else is to blame for everything in society

csense

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118571621#Comment_118571621

Of course there's no publicly available proof. How would there be? Do you imagine some random guy was delivered a letter signed by the entirety of the government stating something simplistic like "yes, we, et al, have been pumping the housing market for a near decade, yours etc..."

No, of course there isn't publicly available proof, and an iota's worth of thought would tell you that is entirely unreasonable to expect such.

On the contrary, waiting for such a unicorn to appear of its own volition is entirely without reason. It is that free pass that they take with gusto and continue apace.

A full, independent investigation with legal powers to gather evidence is the only way it will happen. And I do indeed think it will happen through the sheer dismantling of the housing market that's running wild. Could be as late as after the perpetrators are 6 feet under. Maybe not.

It is common sense that should prevail and enlighten and bring the very action that will give the proof. The cart follows the horse.

People, supposedly in positions of power, running the housing situation, keep making mistakes, and some people just keeping getting more and more money...all by mistake? For nearly a decade?

No. There is a trend-line where incompetency and unintended consequences over time, crosses into competency and intention. The longer it goes on, the less likely accidents become. It's that simple.

You pass by a person on Monday and they bump into you. "Oh, sorry about that!" they explain. No problem. But they do it on Tuesday too, and Wednesday, and Thursday, and two weeks straight, and 6 months straight...

At what point do you engage your brain and come to the only sensible conclusion that it is not accidental?

And that's a genuine question. Before you may state the predictable "he has no evidence!", How many more years would it take to raise your suspicions?

Serious question, if this whole thing is precisely the same in 5 years time, will you question it? Maybe 2030? Be specific, how many years of the exact same carry on would it take?

csense

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118571713#Comment_118571713

It's not blame that I'm pointing out, it is simple consequence.

When a fundamental necessity of a society is allowed run wild for profit, those who profit will extract every last bean.

That's the story.

sk8board

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118571768#Comment_118571768

You’re just describing simple supply & demand economics though.

The solution is always going to be more supply. Unless you have a way to exterminate about 100,000 renters, the demand side isn’t going to change, indeed it will only grow in line with population growth.

likewise, unless there is some incentive for Landlords to stay in the investment market, they will continue to exit at the current rate of about 4,000 pa.

until such point as that supply comes online, the Gov have tried to limit the supply & demand economics by preventing landlords from increasing beyond 2-4% pa (which is now below inflation, from an investment perspective, further pushing LLs out of the investment market).