New tenant opened my mail (which contained sensitive data)

Flinty997

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118137176#Comment_118137176

I said you don't know they did it deliberately, or can prove it.

The act says "intentionally". You should take professional legal advice if you intend to pursue it.

HalfAndHalf

So what I have gathered from a lot of rambling is that your bank in the U.K. sent you a new bank card, you’re saying your tenant opened this letter and you want to do something about it?

The Postal Services Act 2000 clearly states that it is certainly illegal to open someone's post, or delay it reaching the owner.

The Act says: "A person commits an offence if, intending to act to a person's detriment and without reasonable excuse, he opens a postal packet which he knows or reasonably suspects has been incorrectly delivered to him."

You'll be hard pushed to prove which of the tenants opened the letter or even that one of them did at all and even harder pushed proving it was done at a detriment to yourself.

I’d move on if I were you.

Get over it OP, new tenants could have thrown it in the bin.

Zhane

OP, you’re allowed to be annoyed by this BUT it was more than likely an accident by the tenant. People are on auto pilot when doing mundane things like opening mail. Especially if they’ve moved in fairly recently, they’ll be getting a lot of mail from different suppliers/companies and just opening it one by one without looking. I’ve done it, and from the replies it’s fairly common. The consierge probably just didn’t want to say it was open so just say you were already aware. Also depending on the conversation between the consierge and the tenant, they coulda just said you were aware of the letter was there. Nothing about it being open.

Be annoyed, but there’s very little, if anything you can do about it. What is it that you’re looking for exactly?

Mitch Connor

the tenant would have been better off binning it then wasting their time reaching out to OP, who just seems determined now to gain justification for trying to make their life a living hell.

Flinty997

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118137279#Comment_118137279

Ironically thats more likely to be been seen as an offence, and easier to prove.

GlobalSun

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118137382#Comment_118137382

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118137267#Comment_118137267

If you're so literate, then please, let me know where I specifically stated that the bank is a UK bank? I said "overseas", not UK. You know that there are countries other than the UK and Ireland out there?

"Consierge"? Also, as I said, there are three people living there. It could have been any of them that decided to open it, not necessarily the person who reached out to me. It's not about making someone's life hell, but sure enough, no one would feel comfortable someone may have their bank details on file somewhere.

rocketspocket

You could contact the specialist police department for people who accidently open other people letters.. there are 100s in the 'Joy doing a 10 stretch for this very crime..

obi604

I think this is one that needs to go straight to the special criminal court, non jury

you must love the aul dramatics

trashcan

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118136798#Comment_118136798

This really. If it was a genuine mistake then you’d think the new tenant would have explained that he’d opened it without checking the name and apologise.

ForestFire

Maybe if the OP does a reconstruction of the events with his mates, using his phone (Better than most CCTV) and send it in to Sharon!!

She might do a slot for you on Crimecall, and if the 4 guys in the apartment crack under the pressure and rat the culprit out....

You might than get your breakthrough and justice on....

Tel: 1800 40 50 60

Freetext: 50123

Email: crimecall@garda.ie

Completely Your own fault OP for not having Electronic statements setup or ensuring that your address is correct on any accounts that you own.

Your looking for someone to blame when it's 100% your own fault.

I wouldn't touch the inside letter, Gardai might want to dust it for fingerprints.

GlobalSun

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118137589#Comment_118137589

I said it earlier and I will repeat it for the last time. My postal address was changed correctly and in due course. The failure came from the bank which issued the bank cards based on prior records. I rang the bank to raise a complaint over this. Separate issue, but the main cause for this whole situation.

If you're looking to make yourself feel better by bringing someone down without even reading the facts, then it's pretty sad.

TheWonderLlama

I think the person who opened the envelope was...Rebekah Vardy!

Time you got Wagatha Christie on to this. Bust the case wide open.

This whole thing is convincing me to throw letters not addressed to me in the bin. Or return to sender.

B.A._Baracus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118137279#Comment_118137279

I was going to say the exact same.

Op, move on. Not worth the hassle and nothing will come about from it. It's the worst about renting and moving. Millions of people be in your boat each year moving then something private getting sent to the wrong address.

Yes, the bank is at fault. But I remember me dad talking about this issue when I was like 5. It's always happened and will always happen. If you still feel that you've been that wronged change banks.

GlobalSun

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118137540#Comment_118137540

Exactly. Nowhere in the conversation did the tenant specify the letter was opened by mistake. I can understand that the letter may have been opened by mistake, but given the sensitive data, you'd think they'd apologize.

Besides, the tenant would have had no way of knowing who the sender was without opening the letter as the envelope was blank with no labels, yet when they contacted me, they clearly specified who the sender was. The only way to find out who the sender was was by opening the actual letter. The letter was sent 08.10.2021 and more than likely received 10 days later. Why was the letter sitting there for close to a month? If the letter was sitting there for such a long time, what makes me think no one else has accessed the sensitive data (visitors, this person's flatmates etc)?

By the way, the envelope was so wrinkled that it is crystal clear it was initially dropped into the bin (yet the letter is intact).

I'm used to receiving previous tenants' mail. I don't open any of them. I simply write a "not at this address - return to sender" on the envelope and drop it in a post box. That's the most appropriate thing to do regardless (not bin it or open it).

Ronan|Raven

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118136880#Comment_118136880

I would have fucked your post in the bin if it was that long since you moved out. Be glad they contacted you.

GlobalSun

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118137638#Comment_118137638

I'm actually not because it's a data breach hassle. I have preferred for the letter to be binned.

Besides, why are there only two options according to most of the simple minded posters out here - Bin it or reach out to the recipient? You know you can simply drop it in any post box and do a return to sender? Ever heard of that? It's not that complicated, the right thing to do for free and you're not breaching any law. Yeah, perhaps most of you on this forum have no conscience whatsoever. Hard to find decent people with a sane mind on here.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118137600#Comment_118137600

What course of action are you looking to take about it?

If you feel so strongly about it go the gaurds and make an official statement and get laughed at.

Otherwise your just rambling on about nothing.

GlobalSun

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118137659#Comment_118137659

Who said the guards? I never mentioned anything about the guards - lol. My recourse was never the guards to begin with.

Again, it proves my point that posters on this forum have a) no common sense b) are looking to sensationalize any thread without providing concrete answers c) are only looking the dismiss the OP. I hadn't posted on here in a long time and it's gotten far worse than I had anticipated.

If you read my OP, you would know what type of recourse I was talking about.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118137663#Comment_118137663

Send an email if makes you feel better, but there not going to do anything about it.

Bojill

What was the original question about again?

B.A._Baracus

@GlobalSun

I understand you're angry. Calling other people names isn't going to help tho.

You asked the question of "You know you can simply drop it in any post box and do a return to sender? Ever heard of that? It's not that complicated, the right thing to do for free and you're not breaching any law" - You know the answer. Average person don't care. It's much easier to throw something in the bin, yes after they've opened it! than going through the tiny hassle of the above.

The only thing you can do now, feeling wronged, is change banks. Let that be your therapeutic recourse if you feel the need.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118137540#Comment_118137540

If it wasn’t a mistake he never would have contacted the op.

Zhane

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118137455#Comment_118137455

Ah ok. Picking out a spelling mistake. Seems mistakes cannot happen in your world at all. I’m out, you do you OP. Be mad at the world.

HalfAndHalf

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118137455#Comment_118137455

Wow! Straight to name calling by the fella here wanting advice! I know there are some there countries, do you know that in the vast majority of them people are realised with basic manners? You must be from one of the very few where that doesn’t happen!

You can’t even read the legal description that I provided of what you need to be able to prove to take action!

Seeing as you’re an overly aggressive person with clearly too much time on their hands, why don’t you toddle off down to the Guards, they’ll laugh at you just as much as most of us here.

😂

bucketybuck

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118137680#Comment_118137680

The OP wants to "escalate" this very serious matter to the landlord and management company.

Just what he thinks they are going to do is unclear, but at minimum I imagine they will execute each of the three tenants and sell their children into slavery.

JeffKenna

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118137663#Comment_118137663

You posted only last week about someone who parked in your parking spot by accident!

HeidiHeidi

OP, you've been asked a number of times - what do you actually want (or hope to happen) by escalating this to either their landlord or management company (your suggestions from the first post)?

The most i can see happening is an email to say "don't be opening post not addressed to you", if even that.

Yes, it's annoying but if you're worried about the integrity of your data, then address that with the relevant parties and make sure you're safe on that front.

I can't possibly imagine what complaining to a landlord or management company might achieve.