Kyle Rittenhouse found not guilty

Manic Moran

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118152877#Comment_118152877

Throw enough crap at the wall and hope something sticks enough that a Jury will convict. That’s about the end of it.

Gatling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118152896#Comment_118152896

The judge saw to it that only one decision will be allowed in his court

Manic Moran

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118152902#Comment_118152902

By applying the law to the trial?

Nobody can predict what juries will do, they can always surprise you. But so far, he’s been pretty by the book and consistent.

JRant

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118151836#Comment_118151836

They were white people out protesting, rioting and burning things down. Jesus H Christ, does everything have to boil down to the colour of someone's skin.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118152902#Comment_118152902

He's going to walk not because of the judge, but because anybody who has watched the videos (including jury) will see it was clearly self-defense.

The third guy shot, Gaige Grosskreutz, referenced the Second Amendment and claimed he had a gun for protection. He also made an earlier statement saying the presence of a gun greatly increases the chance of an incident taking place. Therefore, what was he planning to do with his own gun? He admitted that Kyle only shot him after he walked towards Kyle with his gun pointed. Prosecution is finished.

There's barely a case here at all, to be honest.

Foxtrol

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118152848#Comment_118152848

There is a mob chasing him because he was dressed like the right wing nutjob he is and had just shot an unarmed protester and was running around the streets with his gun.

Thanks for sharing the video, it saves me digging to find it. It answers the questions of posters who claimed that the group trying to disarm him couldn't have known about the shooting because he was out of their line of sight. Everyone in the crowd is shouting about it so people would find out quickly.

MilkyToast

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118152716#Comment_118152716

I wasn't referring to your thoughts. I was referring to "anyone who isn't already completely convinced that Rittenhouse is guilty", as you can see in the post you quoted.

Are you asking me if I think it would be appropriate if this case were ongoing in Ireland if by some circumstances a case very similar to this were happening here? Definitely not, would be my answer. But this case is going on in the US where people are near fanatical about the military and veteran's day is a very big deal. I'd say the same about religious stuff. It has no place here any more, but the US is a different collection of cultures.

Danzy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118152947#Comment_118152947

It was the whitest political movement in decades.

Foxtrol

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118152947#Comment_118152947

Your ignorance of the treatment of every aspect of this case compared to what minorities receive is nearly impressive.

Manic Moran

Being dressed like a right wing nut job is not grounds to chase and attack anyone. Neither is running around the street with a gun.

Shooting an unarmed protestor similarly is not necessarily grounds to chase and attack someone, this possibility being the operative around which the whole case revolves. There may be an honest belief by the chasers that there is, but that doesn't take away from the shooter's position that he is being attacked.

MilkyToast

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118152877#Comment_118152877

The DA stayed the hell away from it.

More than once I've wondered if the ADA is going for a mistrial with prejudice, so that the judge takes the heat for Rittenhouse going free, rather than himself. They know there will be riots either way, and Binger strikes me as ambitious (being a Littlefinger lookalike does not help!).

Foxtrol

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118152996#Comment_118152996

Stop making excuses for the judge - no matter how much reverence he or the country has for the military it is completely inappropriate to have the room clap an upcoming witness.

Like everything in the US, it is only the right type of 'religious stuff' that is celebrated. There is another high profile case going on right now and here is a lawyer claiming 'black pastors' shouldn't be allowed to sit with the victim's family.

https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1458874040379224066?s=20

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118152986#Comment_118152986

They chased a guy with a rifle down the street "because he was dressed like the right-wing nutjob he is"? Play stupid games, win stupid prizes... Darwin award stuff. Let him run away and have the police deal with him.

What a sh*tshow, anyway. 17 year with an AR semi-automatic, BLM rioters, looters, Antifa loons... Was never going to end well.

Sand

Rittenhouse was a fool to be there in the first place. He needed better guidance than whatever libertarian ideology he is on. But that such a clear case of self defence has reached a court is a clear indication of how politically controlled the legal system in the US has become.

Gatling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118153054#Comment_118153054

Jesus wept

MilkyToast

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118153054#Comment_118153054

I'm not making excuses, I'm explaining my opinion on the situation to you. You are welcome to disagree, but you may immediately stop telling me what I should say, think or type if you are intending to continue interacting with me.

Snake Plisken

Looking forward to the salty tears and rage when Kyle is found not guilty. Judge keeping politics out of it and keeping nuetral.Prosecution are a disgrace violating Kyles constitutional rights.

Manic Moran

And how did the judge rule on that pastor objection, out of interest?

Recognizing veterans in person is a thing here and isn't going to affect the trial. It is also an officially recognized day by the State of Wisconsin, of which the judge is a official. (Trivia: Wisconsin was the last state to recognize veterans day, in 2018)

Foxtrol

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118153016#Comment_118153016

Never said any of those things in isolation give right to chase and attack anyone - however he had shot an unarmed man and was dressed in a manner that would lead people to genuinely believe he was a risk to shoot more people and was continuing to run around a street populated with potential victims.

Again, I believe he is going to get off for a similar reason that Zimmerman got off previously - the law is a mess and allows biases to drive jury decisions (especially when the judge gives things an extra nudge).

Foxtrol

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118153064#Comment_118153064

They chased him because he had just shot another unarmed protester.

Why do people keep leaving that out?

Ash.J.Williams

https://www.theonion.com/critics-question-why-kyle-rittenhouse-singled-out-in-ky-1848040054

https://www.theonion.com/critics-question-why-kyle-rittenhouse-singled-out-in-ky-1848040054

Ha

Foxtrol

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118153076#Comment_118153076

Come on, how is what you posted not an excuse? Saying something is 'definitely' inappropriate and then going on to twist yourself in knots as to why it isn't in this very narrow situation for this judge is nearly the definition of making excuses.

Gatling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118153086#Comment_118153086

Don't think he's actually ruled on it ,not going by reported transcript .

Though there was something interesting came up when apparently someone questioned what plundered meant and the definition was to look around but not steal ,

Plundered does not mean looking around and not stealing

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118151836#Comment_118151836

It doesn't make a difference what the skin colour was. If white people were protesting and rioting and looting night after night like that, then of course there would be people out wanting to protect innocent businesses from being destroyed.

Gatling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118153151#Comment_118153151

No there would not ....

Foxtrol

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118153086#Comment_118153086

Judge didn't allow it, said he wasn't excluding people from his courtroom. The judge did preside over only 1 black juror out of 12 after the defense objected to several others due to their race.

I know it is a thing but it is incredibly inappropriate in a court setting and you have no way to know if it will affect the trial (unless you feel like me that it is already sewn up from all the other shenanigans, in addition to the shambles of laws that allow biases to drive decisions)

Manic Moran

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118153087#Comment_118153087

That’s fine as far as it goes, but their perceptions, no matter how reasonably held they may be, have no bearing on the defendant’s actual (non-perceived) situation. His rights do not disappear because the local crowd came to an understandable, but not necessarily correct, conclusion.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118152298#Comment_118152298

I think back to the Korean shop owners who armed and defended their shops in the LA riots in 1992. Sure, what they did was probably not legally the right thing to do. The police wouldn't have asked them to do it. But at the same time, they arguably saved their own livelihoods from being completely destroyed. It's OK to be intolerant of the intolerant. It's OK to try to defend innocent businesses against violent mobs.

Danzy

If he was a radical activist type, the ivy League school, suburban picket fence home and suited daddy and he had shot others the very most of those condemning him now would be lauding him as a hero.

No doubt that is a 2 way Street.

Foxtrol

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118153166#Comment_118153166

Agreed and that is where the law becomes a mess.

By that standard if he went into a school and shot a few kids he would then once retreating be legally entitled to continue to shoot anyone who tried to disarm him. It allows the biases of the jury related to a given situation to convict or let walk free.