Kyle Rittenhouse found not guilty

Gatling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118171856#Comment_118171856

He was ,he went into a violent riot with just an AR 15 and a magazine full of FMJ .223/5.56 he barely knew , had no real training experience but then decided to walk into a riot with no back up , other than a claimed first aid kit

@Manic Moran I know I'm not your favourite person at the moment ,

But answer me this as a person who's been through military training from recruit to tank commander (correct) would you have allowed a raw recruit walk into a dangerous situation even training never mind a war zone with little or no training especially in weapon handling and if not ,why not

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118171965#Comment_118171965

It's almost as if he was there to help the community and not intending to use the weapon but brought it in case he needed to defend himself.

Kind of **** up the narrative that he went looking for trouble.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118171832#Comment_118171832

You say he was lucky!. so you agree if he had missed he would be dead. You should change your boards name to BINGER

Gatling

The defence seems pretty subdued everyone is lying but rittenhouse ,

Rittenhouse went to help how do we know oh his orange cooler full of stuff ,we seen the box in the pictures .

The orange cooler box what was in it , nobody seems to know ,diet coke and ice for all we know, he borrowed medical supplies from others despite repeatedly claiming he's an EMT ,

My brother is a paramedic here as are several mates ,there basic kit that sit in their boots of their cars not issued stuff takes up several large bags with different kits for different situations ,they wouldn't rock up and tell people they are medics and ask others for basic bandages.

Rittenhouse had nothing and had to borrow bandages and bandaids he's a spoofer

FatherTed

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118171871#Comment_118171871

What would it not matter? Car Source owners are saying they didn't ask anyone to defend their property especially since the cars were already destroyed. It's their property after all that Rittenhouse said he was protecting.

Gatling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118172023#Comment_118172023

He wasn't going to get killed he didn't even have a scratch despite 3 people jumping him including getting smashed with rock to the skull.(according to his legal team,)

From a person who has no training in self defense come on

Manic Moran

I take no exception to you, I have no reason to like or dislike you. I'm just laying out the reality.

What Black is facing trial for has no bearing on the legality or otherwise of Rittenhouse's actions. There is nothing in the law that says "You cannot possess an otherwise legal rifle if someone else purchased it under false pretenses". The false pretenses is chargeable to Black (and we'll see what comes of the trial), not Rittenhouse, and Rittenhouse cannot be charged with an offense which does not exist.

Similarly, MilkyToast's assessment of 'circumventing' the law is quite correct. The law states what the law states. As the judge observed during the Friday arguments over the jury instructions, the average citizen has to be able to know what is or is not legal, commenting about what may 'be sensible' or 'morally correct' is irrelevant when there is a statute in black and white (and not posted on a pillar so high that nobody can read them). When dealing with a physical object, there is no need for interpretation. It's possessed or it isn't. It's a certain size, or it isn't. It requires a permit, or it does not. Work off the statute, you'll be fine. It appears that all Rittenhouses' objective actions with regards the rifle prior to the shooting were in full compliance with the law.

As for the military question, you may overstate the training soldiers get. They will be trained in the maintenance and operation of their weapon. How to keep it functional and able to use it. Whether officially trained or not, Rittenhouse seems to have met that standard. They will be trained to hit a certain standard of marksmanship. Maybe Rittenhouse could achieve it, maybe not, but either way, even though he did miss with one round, he also failed to hit anyone he wasn't trying to hit, most rounds did indeed go where Rittenhouse intended. And they will be trained on rules of the use of force, which generally come down to 'shoot only at targets identified as hostile, and to defend yourself and others.' Which, again, Rittenhouse may not have been trained to do, but apparently he did anyway. In the event of physical contact, basic army close combat training is 'stay alive until someone shows up with a gun.' If that someone is you and you can get a shot off, so much the better. Which, again, Rittenhouse managed to do. (The idea that basic army combatives is supposed to train you to win a hand-to-hand fight is flawed. It's only supposed to prevent you from losing until a bullet finishes the issue. Hand-to-hand is seriously difficult to master, we don't have the time for it).

Where Rittenhouses' decisions were questionable rely more on the matter of whether it was a good idea for him to be there in the first place, but raw recruits are not held responsible for that decision either, they are dispatched by higher authority. We only expect them to be able to stay alive, competently control their weapons, shoot only at legitimate targets, and when shooting, try to hit what they aim at.

If Rittenhouse did any one thing contrary to a soldier's training, it's getting separated from his buddies; sticking with a 'battle-buddy' is ingrained in Basic. But even that separation occasionally happens. Once the chasing started, I wouldn't expect a trained soldier to have reacted any differently than Rittenhouse did.

Tyrone212

Sick of America and their culture war **** spilling all around the world and the saddos in this country who get more involved with that shite than what goes on in their own country.

I wish trump had built that wall but not only on the southern border. Around the whole perimeter of the US then filled it with concrete and spare us from all the bs from that cesspit of failed country full of absolute mentalists.

MilkyToast

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118172049#Comment_118172049

It doesn't matter in regards to the case because Rittenhouse heard of the call for volunteers through a third party who has testified that they did put out the call for volunteers on behalf of the Car Source guys. So whether the Car Source guys requested that that guy get some volunteers together or he did it off his own back and lied, the result—Rittenhouse hearing a call for volunteers and responding—is the same. So the defense is that Rittenhouse heard the call for volunteers and answered that, which speaks to his state of mind being that of going to help out someone who asked for it (and who says the Car Source guys asked them to organise it). Which is the only part pertinent to the case.

MilkyToast

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118172033#Comment_118172033

The defence seems pretty subdued everyone is lying but rittenhouse

Not really. Their closing statement is mostly pointing out all the ways in which the state's witnesses (and video evidence) confirmed Rittenhouse's statement of events and support a self defense finding. Which you'd know if you'd watched any of the trial or read any accurate reporting about it.

Brucie Bonus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118171699#Comment_118171699

Yes, he can pull a trigger and kill people. What used car lot was he protecting when he shot the 3 people? Did he fire a warning shot? Did he call the police or jump right in?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118172505#Comment_118172505

He was attempting to put out fires and give people medical attention. There's video evidence of it.

You can't fire a warning shot when someone is close enough to grab your gun.

He went to the police immediately after the incidents.

Gatling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118172552#Comment_118172552

He walked past police ,

He then waited 2 days to hand himself in and the defence tried to suggest that DNA isn't always reliable in criminal cases as no victims DNA was found on his gun despite one of them grabbing the gun,

He had two days to clean the gun before going to the police.

And the prosecution just showed a video of the first shooting where rosenbaum never got close to grabbing the gun ,he was shot in the hip from 4 -5 feet away and he went down , rittenhouse continued to shoot him when he's on the ground,

Fandymo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118172505#Comment_118172505

Yeah, he fired a warning shot, then said “This is one minor you aren’t getting your hands on”, before turning his gun sideways and wasting the fool.

Because gun incidents are the exact same as Hollywood.

Fandymo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118172653#Comment_118172653

Less than two hours after a shooting left two people dead and a third wounded during unrest in Kenosha, 17-year-old Kyle Rittenhouse walked into the Antioch, Illinois, police station "visibly upset" and told an officer he had "ended a man's life," according to records released late Friday.

The lies are so easily disproven. Why has there been no action taken?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118172653#Comment_118172653

**** sake man, if you are going to make up stuff, there's no point.

You are either dangerously uninformed or simply a liar looking to stir ****.

Either way, it is impossible to take you seriously.

Gatling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118172711#Comment_118172711

What is being made up .

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118172730#Comment_118172730

The post I quoted.

What makes you say he waited two days to turn himself in?

How can you say that he walked past the police when there is actual footage of him attempting to engage with the police moments afterwards and them telling him to move on?

You must try harder Gatling. You either aren't capable or willing to engage in honest discourse here.

It's bizarre at this stage.

Gatling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118172758#Comment_118172758

Did he or didn't he walk past the police ,I didn't say he tried to engage the police I said he walked past the police and quite casually too .

It's there on video ,

So either he didn't walk past the police like the video shows or your opinion doesn't match the evidence.

Then took 2 Days to hand himself in to the police,

I take according to you that didn't happen either

MilkyToast

That's the arguments over. Jury goes into deliberations tomorrow.

If I were one of them, having watched pretty much the entire trial, I would vote innocent on self defense grounds.

I suspect it'll be a hung jury.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118172764#Comment_118172764

So you agree he was trying to engage with the police? That's a **** start.

Where did you get your information that it took him two days to turn himself in?

I'm all ears.

MilkyToast

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118172764#Comment_118172764

He walked up to police with his hands in the air trying to give himself in immediately after leaving the second scene, and they told him to move along.

He went into Antioch police station, Illinois, TWO HOURS after the event.

So yeah. Literally none of that happened.

Manic Moran

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118172764#Comment_118172764

Erm. He walked right up to the police car. The officer testified that they weren't interested in talking to him, and when Rittenhouse refused instructions to go somewhere else, they pepper sprayed him. No wonder Rittenhouse went home. The police actively refused to accept his surrender.

https://news.yahoo.com/kenosha-police-officer-explains-why-015623378.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAIvIyEcQINb2C-pjbfk6e5qtwqk-kOoYTB1W9SHVfAf_Pnp4Hz4aT7qhSZGnrFyonCzOak7fvCa6BGURQB_El59JfRftyIdznK9e_eUIwkOMKlLW-PKVMn5_KGEig-vrDtL6QWw_HXnbSxBUmWF-re2honZX9KK1-PouThvBbkMk

He went to his local hometown police station and turned himself in two hours later, not two days later. This is a surprising ignorance of the details.

https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/local/wisconsin/2020/10/30/details-rittenhouse-arrest-after-kenosha-shooting-shown-records/6092483002/

Fandymo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118172764#Comment_118172764

He turned himself in less than 2 hours after the shooting. You’re a Walter Mitty and ruining this thread with absolute nonsense and fantasy.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118172778#Comment_118172778

Not all that surprising considering some of the reports in the media.... or on twitter.

Gatling

According to the cop they don't know if he was actually hit with the pepper spray but had the desired effect and Rittenhouse walked North of their position

Moretti testified that when Rittenhouse approached the passenger-side window of the patrol vehicle, Moretti drew his gun on Rittenhouse and Moretti's partner in the passenger seat pepper-sprayed Rittenhouse.

He said he didn't know if the spray actually struck Rittenhouse, but it "had the desired effect," as Rittenhouse abandoned the vehicle and continued walking northbound

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118172796#Comment_118172796

Lolololol.

So that's "casually walking past" the police?

Fuck sake.

Gatling

@Manic...

@Manic Moran Interesting point from the article he rittenhouse claimed he was stuck , with a rock , skateboard and "baseball bat "

No evidence or explanation to back up his claim of being attacked with a baseball bat,

From a kick to the head, smashed to head with a rock , skateboard to the head and a baseball bat he was only found to have slight scratches

Gatling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118172801#Comment_118172801

Yes it is ,

As the police officers stated most people who surrender put their hands up and kneel , Rittenhouse didn't ,

Watch the video he casually walked past the police units ,the second police interaction wasn't caught on camera apparently.

But yes Rittenhouse walked past the police as seen in videos casually ,not even telling them there was multiple casualties being he was an emergency medical technician

MilkyToast

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118172801#Comment_118172801

Right?

It wouldn't be so bad if the absolute brass neck of the lying didn't make you feel somewhat obligated to correct the record.