Moon Knight - Disney+ (***Spoilers***)

DrZeuss

This episode could have been called The Oscar Show. 2 episodes now without Moon Knight really and while it would be fine in a 10-20 episode series, I feel in a 6 episode series titled Moon Knight we should be seeing a lot more Moon Knight'edness.

I also feel the trailers and the production team sold this as a completely different show than what we are getting, I was expecting a Dare Devil / Punisher type of show but at times this feels very Disney.

In saying that, 5 in and 1 to go, I'll stick about.

Bacchus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118987856#Comment_118987856

For me, it's walking the line between being a storytelling mess and being really well done. How they wrap up the final episode will determine on which side it lands. The Ep 5 setting made for a great way to dive in to Marc/Steven and their origins. I think kicking the show off with a standard origin template episode covering this same content would have been far less interesting. One thread on that would be the reveal 'why' Steven was created. Having grown to the know the character over 4 episodes already, that hit hard. Also, it was interesting to see that the main plot was still progressing while this is going on - Harrow clearly succeeded. Great episode overall anyway, and it's all on the final episode now to give a satisfying conclusion and wrap up the many plot points. I suspect the third personality won't feature much, and will be teased at the end for season 2 or a movie. I think the opportunity to introduce that character was there in Ep 5, and it's just too much to add in to the finale. Either way, I'm looking forward to seeing it all wrap up and for Moonknight to kick some CGI butt.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118985375#Comment_118985375

Not much different to a comic run, there's very little plot that drives several issues sometimes. In this case, the efforts to release a God. I don't see a problem with the approach they took, it's been interesting.

In an interview with Seth Meyers, Oscar Isaac indicated among other things he agreed to do the show knowing only the story for episodes 1 and 5. And to be fair, that's the episodes that really establish his back story for real, 2 3 and 4 drive a plot, and 6 will surely be another CGI Marvel Movie climax. Not that I mind now, they've sort of set it up for him to get his mojo back and kick some ass.

Episode 5's conclusion reminded me a lot of Inside Out.

gmisk

Episode 5 was terrific...by far best episode of the series...only one to go

siblers

Very good episode but struggling to see how it ties in with episodes 2,3 and 4. Feels like episode 1+5 are in a different series compared to 2,3 and 4

This is the best thing Disney have done. Better than all the MCU films already.

Spon Farmer

Great episode. Really enjoying this show. While Moon Knight could have been an enjoyable movie there is no way they could have made him as interesting with such a limited time to tell a story.

I had been confused by Kevin Feige comment that with this series they “were not holding back” and I had thought it was about Moon Knight himself being more violent than previous MCU characters - which He has not been. However this question answered that it was about the abuse of a child.

The ending was very surprising as I assumed the third personality was the main cause of the scales not balancing and he would come to the rescue when the dead attacked.

However I’m guessing he will appear next episode and unite the other two and be the reason they return to the world.

EoinMcLovin

https://youtu.be/ZPCJvTq9wiU

Spon Farmer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119006143#Comment_119006143

And there we have the reason I shouldn’t visit these threads. I had no idea there was only six episodes. So I would have been watching not knowing it was the end.

My own fault.

mrcheez

I haven't seen the latest episode yet.. but Jesus, can someone explain what the hell is going on? The plot is all over the place throughout the series.

Tomb of Alexander the Great... and... ? Was that just an irrelevant detail or something?

If this is all tied up in the latest episode don't worry.. I'll watch it tomorrow

Saint_Mel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119007455#Comment_119007455

Against my better judgement I went and stuck with it and have to say I found the final episode quite good ... would have been better if most of it was in episode 1 though as I had no idea what was really going on from 1-5

Penn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119008477#Comment_119008477

If it was episode 1 we'd have far less ability to know what was going on because we wouldn't have the familiarity of the characters and stories which led to that backstory reveal hitting so hard. I think it worked well that we saw the first few episodes from Steven's POV as he's the one who didn't know what was happening.

I've no real issue with how long it's taken to get to this point. My main concern is that there's only 1 episode left and there's now a lot to tie up to the point I fear the finale will be pretty rushed with not enough payoff.

mrcheez

It reminds me of Legion a bit.. in that we're inside a crazy mind, but at least it made sense in Legion... plus that had more than 6 episodes to clarify what's going on

Spon Farmer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119007455#Comment_119007455

I’ve seen the complaint of not knowing what is going here a few times and I don’t understand what is confusing to people. The story is pretty straightforward.

A man with spilt personality is chosen by an ancient Egyptian deity to be punish those guilty of threatening or harming the innocent. He has superpowers when he wears the costume and is called the Moon Knight. The mental problems lead to both danger and hilarity.

The previous Moon Knight, presumably traumatised by his experience of punishing the guilty is trying to resurrect another Egyptian deity (who in the past used Alexander the Great among others as her instrument on Earth) who will punish evildoers before the deeds are committed.

The spunky archeologist wife of the hero is also on the adventure.

That is it. It is a fun and smart series but is not remotely complicated.

Spon Farmer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119008477#Comment_119008477

None of the Asylum or the reveal of Marc’s childhood would have made any sense in Episode 1.

How can you not have able to follow the plot?

mrcheez

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119011311#Comment_119011311

It actually is not that obvious, but thanks for clarifying 😁

Maybe there's a lot of mumbling.. perhaps I need to turn on the subtitles.

Saying that though, the latest episode marginally clarifies a few things

Agent Coulson

There is a stinger mid credit.

EoinMcLovin

Yep, overall I found this series to be very hit and miss at times . Isaacs was brilliant as Marc and Stephen but not enough action in it. Hopefully the character shows up in another series, maybe Blade or Werewolf by Night

Penn

An okay finale. The rest of the gods may as well have not even been part of the show or just been talking statues. They added absolutely nothing. The story of Layla's father ended up to be a dead end unless they make it a potential Season 2/Jake Lockley story arc. But I liked the coherence of Marc and Steven, Layla becoming an avatar, and I enjoyed Khonshu though I could have done without the big-ass CGI battle in the background of the main fight as it was just a distraction.

I honestly can't tell if there'll be a Season 2, but like EoinMcLovin said I'd love to see him show up in other material regardless.

Spon Farmer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119013496#Comment_119013496

The story is incredibly straightforward.

I honestly do not see how you cannot follow what is going on. I’m interested to know what it is that confuses you?

EoinMcLovin

I'd love to see an interaction between Leyla and Sam Wilson given how they both have winged costumes.

Agent Coulson

I was half expecting a Jon Snow Black Knight cameo appearance at the end of the episode or the stinger to tie it in with and spin Moon Knight off into that part of the MCU

EoinMcLovin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119014611#Comment_119014611

Or even something to tie in with the new Doctor Strange movie which is out tomorrow like how Agent's of Shield used to do

Penn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119014806#Comment_119014806

I saw online that people were theorising that Gorr The God Butcher from the next Thor movie would show up, maybe post-credits, and kill one or more of the Egyptian Gods. Would have been good, but at the same time considering we haven't even seen him in a trailer yet I'm sure most people would have been wondering who the hell he was.

mrcheez

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119014435#Comment_119014435

from what I gather, there were several people in this thread confused by the plot too 😂

Penn

I think there's an important difference between confused and just not knowing important details. We didn't know what led to Marc's split personality, how he became Moon Knight etc until it was revealed in Episode 5. Confusion would suggest that someone didn't understand those things even after the reveal because they couldn't make sense of it. In that regard, I think Moon Knight handled the reveals pretty well and gave us the reveals at the right time. For me it felt maybe a bit too late in the context of being the penultimate episode, but I also don't think we needed the reveals to be any earlier than they were.

FlubberJones

All I can say is that the final episode will have to be spectacular to save this (in my opinion)...

I found it a struggle to watch at least the last two episodes...

Actionless is an understatement.

mrcheez

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119015224#Comment_119015224

I wouldn't mind giving the whole series a re-watch AFTER all episodes are presented as, yes, it might make a bit more sense given the later reveals.. but can you explain why Ethan Hawke is appearing as his psychiatrist for example?

Also I'm kind of surprised the "suit" makes such few appearances... I was under the impression the action and changing into that Deadpool-esque character would be a big part of it

Interesting fact: May Calamawy went to my school in Bahrain around the time I was there... albeit a few years below me

Penn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119015283#Comment_119015283

My take on it is that it's part of the afterlife mostly based on Marc/Steven's shared psychosis. It's filled with characters Marc/Steven know or have met. Harrow takes the form of his psychiatrist as he's their antagonist, but in this episode where he sees Harrow's feet bleeding it shows that Marc/Steven are able to recognise and tell the difference between reality and the afterlife/their psychosis, while also indicating that part of the real Harrow is dying and entering the afterlife. This happens while Khonshu is leaving (or partially/pretending to leave) their body and releasing them from being Moon Knight.

Found it a big mess. Egyptian gods, man with DID, avatars, talking hippos etc. I found it all too outlandish to get involved in the story. There was stuff going on with only the briefest of explanations as to why it was happening. I understood the plot but it was just all very shallow.

Wish I hadn't bothered with it at all.

Spon Farmer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119015191#Comment_119015191

I know. As I said in an earlier post you aren’t the first to say it.

im just interested in understanding what you don’t understand.

what confuses you about the plot? An ex-Moon Knight is trying to resurrect an Egyptian God who will cleanse the Earth by killing people who are destined to commit evil acts. A former mercenary with a split personality is the current Moon Knight and along with his spunky archeologist wife is trying to stop him.

I don’t see the problem.

mrcheez

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119015507#Comment_119015507

overall plot is fine, I get that... it's the small things.. and perhaps it's just lost in some of the way things were pronounced or if it's mumbled.

Why is Ethan Hawke shouting "Wake up" to May Calamawy when across the chasm, and she looks affected by it? What was the connection to her father again?

Ethan Hawke being the psychiatrist, I guess we need to read between the lines to figure this one.

Why again did Oscar Isaac become a mercenary (something about getting revenge on all people because his mother beat him?) and what exactly were they doing at that tomb in Egypt when he got shot and became the Moon Knight?

Maybe it's just Isaac's accent sometimes mumbles the words and I didn't catch it... turning on subtitles for the last episode anyway :)

Btw I assume you all have seen Legion? It's essential viewing if you haven't and not a completely separate concept regarding an insane hero. Also on Disney+

PTH2009

Still lost after the 6th episode ha

DrumSteve

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119015381#Comment_119015381

The talking hippo was an Egyptian God, The DID and the reasons for it were well explained, not sure the issues with the Avatar (other than the meeting in the pyramid looking like a drama club). If anything I thought it was not outlandish enough.

Spon Farmer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119015739#Comment_119015739

Most of these are obvious or answered right there on screen.

Harrow is telling Layla to wake up to the truth about Spector and her father.

Her father was an archeologist. He was researching the same deities involved in the story.

Oscar Isaac isn’t mumbling. One accent is his own. The other is a British accent and is easily understood.

Spector became a mercenary for the reasons other ex-soldiers become mercenaries.

There is nothing complex about the story but it seem like all the confusion your are mentioning here could be a result of not actually watching the show.

steve_r

Just watched the finale. I would have liked to have seen a few of the threads developed more (Layla's dad, Amit in general) but I do admire them trying to tell the story in a different way. I don't think they succeeded in everything, but I enjoyed it for what it was - loved Oscar Issac in it - thought the costumes looked class, the fight choreography was good, and there were some good funny moments as it went on.

I like that it sat separate to the MCU - not everything needs to be tied back into the same universe.

fritzelly

Enjoyed the finale but overall not enthralled with the show - expected darker and grittier, got the opposite

0ph0rce0

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119016378#Comment_119016378

When the trailer came out it looked class, much darker.

I watched 3 episodes and said good luck. Garbage.

Boba Fett , Utter Garbage.

If Obi-Wan is anything like either of these two that'll be the end of Disney + for me.

Spon Farmer

I had intended to watch the final episode tonight before seeing Doctor Strange 2 tomorrow just in case there is a connection between the two but I’m too tired for watching anything.

Spon Farmer

Is The app slow for anyone else?

It seems like every time there is an update the app gets slower to load and change between pages.

fritzelly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119016608#Comment_119016608

🤔 ...

Spon Farmer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119016622#Comment_119016622

Meaning?

connemara man

I enjoyed that. Iall the Marvel TV shows have the same problem for me (and its one I can live with TBH) they are light on story depth but showcase a good actor or two and it's their performance you watch and stay for and not the whole thing

I like watching good actors do what they do. But sometimes the show around them needs to be better. In these six episode runs the story flaws are both hidden and glaring at the same time. Here Mark and Stephens story all good. But the other bits around it can feel superfluous because they're not the shows focus. It's b & c plot for the sake of b&c plot instead of being doing their own job well enough. In a 12 or 22 episode series these threads would naturally get teased out

Slydice

So, that was Moon Knight eh. The season had some high moments. Some lulls also. Overall though, I thought it was grand. Decent enough introduction to a character I hadn't known about before.

6: All felt reasonably by-the-numbers. Some decent special effects put in.

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Budget obviously put in for Ammit and the showdown vs Konshu.

Definitely a 3rd character inside em.

I had a big laugh at the end there when they got outta bed and fell over from the leg strap!

Future.. yeah I think this fits into where Marvel feel to be going with the level of powers shown in Eternals and Loki. Not sure if they'd get another season.

Special nod to Ethan Hawke who brought a real pressence to the show.

One thing I reckon they could've done better..

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There was that scene where the girl asked Layla if she was an Egyptian superhero. That felt like it was just wedged in there. Now that could've been a thing on itself. There were parts of earlier episodes that were just a bit dull or felt like filler and that whole theme could have been sown into the show. Something like a sense of loss of a superhero for Egypt and could've all built up to that moment with Layla and the girl

The mid-credits scene! 😲

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Tranquila, senorita, tranquila!

Spon Farmer

A great finale.

I’m very glad that it was Harrow that Moon Knight and Layla (what is her superhero name?) fought and not Harrow transformed into something else. And I’m glad they showed the gods fighting too.

I was very surprised that they decided to drop a blackout into the final fight and leave how Moon Knight defeated Harrow as “unexplained”. Based just on how many people here have been confused by the story I imagine that is causing chaos to a lot of folks.

I’m also surprised that they ended the episode so suddenly without showing Layla or telling us where she is.

Is the third personality also in the comics and is he the same guy? I’m curious to find out why he speaks Spanish (but will wait to find out next season).

I assume the plan is for another season and for this to be an ongoing series but I can’t figure out how to get a threat that tops an Egyptian God.

Sudden Valley

enjoyed the series overall. Thought the costumes were great, though Layla did look quite like Falcon at the end. Ethan Hawke was also very good as the Villain, perhaps the best in the MCU TV universe on a par with Tennants Kilgrave.

Great show, great acting and a great story. Those moaning about the lack of action make me laugh.

Penn

I think in terms of comparing the Marvel D+ shows to the Netflix shows, none of them have hit the heights of Daredevil/Punisher/Jessica Jones(S1), but for me none of them have hit the lows of Iron Fist or Luke Cage.

Wandavision and TFAWS were probably the top for me. Loki had its high points (I loved the finale with He Who Remains and Loki's relationship with Mobius). Hawkeye and Moon Knight were just mostly good, with some bad points but nothing that made them terrible or boring. I guess What If has to count too and it's definitely been the worst, with some great episodes and ideas but some truly awful bits too (Thor's whole episode was atrocious, and while it was fun seeing a very different version of Thanos, it also just felt wrong).

flazio

I disagree that Luke Cage was a low for Netflix. It was aimed to entertain a different culture to most white European descendents.

FunLover18

It was fine just like most of the Marvel shows so far. The acting was by far the best thing in it and the Marc/Steven dynamic was the best part but the rest of the story was fairly banal and I never really got any sense of threat from Ammit. I didn't mind the lack of action what bothered me was that the action we got just seemed very poor and the effects weren't great. Why did Konshu need an avatar when we saw him and Ammit fighting, that confused me. Also I got the impression she grew on the souls of those she condemned but how did Konshu grow.