Car drives into Christmas parade in Waukesha, 6 dead

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118216915#Comment_118216915

If you cannot trust the media, and you know there are algorithms at work on social media, where do you get your information from?

As someone living in a major US city, they were indeed mostly peaceful. I attended some protests, I observed many many more as I went about my business, there was only a singular night that I can recall where there were reports of any sort of conflict.

1800_Ladladlad

The

https://jrnl.ie/5610285

journal: "Boy, 8, named as latest victim of Wisconsin Christmas parade crash"

Crash definition: (of a vehicle) collide violently with an obstacle or another vehicle.

Referring to this incident as a crash definitely does imply it was to some degree accidental. It's gone past being ridiculous and as funny as "peaceful protest" meme

Celticfire

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118217022#Comment_118217022

Which city would that be?

Brussels Sprout

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118217022#Comment_118217022

This is a great question. People who rubbish the media will rarely admit what their actual trusted news sources are.

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Replace white with black in the above statement and everyone would be calling it would be allowed to call it terrorism - probably

Changed yp ...

JRant

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It was a "mostly peaceful" drive.

Pa ElGrande

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Besides, as the vilest Writer has his Readers, so the greatest Liar has his Believers; and it often happens, that if a Lie be believ’d only for an Hour, it has done its Work, and there is no farther occasion for it. Falsehood flies, and the Truth comes limping after it; so that when Men come to be undeceiv’d, it is too late; the Jest is over, and the Tale has had its Effect…

Source - Jonathan Swift

The article in question is pulled direct from the wire, in this case the Journal is pulling from Press Association and you will find the same headline copied in several media outlets.  Each of the news agencies (Reuters, Associate Press, AFP, Tass) has their own style guide for writing these articles in an effort to ensure consistency and accuracy. Press Association don't make theirs public therefore I don't know what their standards are. The more reputable organisations will try and make the articles as fair as possible, more disreputable organisations (e.g. the Guardian) will use style guides to advance propaganda.

I do agree with you, the use of the word crash is factually inaccurate in this instance and this was the case at publishing time over 12 hours ago. Such incidents are usually described in the media as hit and run. Therefore the Press Association are spreading a lie or as Sir Humphrey would say . . .

. . . . there is some difficulty in justifiably assigning to it the fourth of the epithets you applied to the statement inasmuch as the precise correlation between the information you communicated and the facts insofar as they can be determined and demonstrated is such as to cause epistemological problems of sufficient magnitude as to lay upon the logical and semantic resources of the English language a heavier burden than they can reasonably be expected to bear.

source

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8keZbZL2ero

We do not know which journalist wrote this for the Press Association, they are cloaked in anonymity. Who will correct this and will the correction be disseminated by the organisations such as the Journal.ie and Irish Independent that subsequently published it?

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Didn't take long.. was going to watch that (presumably) shoight at some stage

LillySV

this lad has a nice violent history and had only drove over someone a short while before this incident and was let out on bail.. they now looking into how someone who had committed such actions was out so soon… it’s fairly clear to me why and how he was out…. if a black man was locked up it would be systematic racism and injustice in the eyes of our woke brigade… now he has pushed the boat out abit further and killed at least 6, with aload more in critical condition… and ya still have fools on here tryin to make excuses for him ….

Snake Plisken

Yeah media lies and trying to bury this story by calling it an accident or crash. If it was a white guy crashing into a BLM parade it would be wall to wall far right attack!

https://youtu.be/gMrYnqDjDh4

joseywhales

I don't think this is a racially motivated crime. We are too quick to frame everything in this simple way. I think it's another case of a horrible person doing a hateful thing and there are plenty of them out there. He doesn't seem intelligent or organized enough to truely plan and execute racial terrorism. If that was his cause, how was it advanced by this crime?

Pa ElGrande

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Waukesha DA admitted progressive reforms would mean someone would get killed: ‘It’s guaranteed’

Milwaukee County District Attorney John Chisholm, who was elected to the position in 2007, has spent his career supporting cash-bail system reform because he argues it criminalizes poverty.

In an interview with the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel the year he was elected, Chisholm said: “Is there going to be an individual I divert, or I put into treatment program, who’s going to go out and kill somebody?”

“You bet. Guaranteed. It’s guaranteed to happen. It does not invalidate the overall approach.”

<snip>

He vowed to investigate how Brooks was given the $1,000 cash bond despite allegedly running the mother of his child “over with his vehicle” in a Milwaukee gas station parking lot on Nov. 2.

You will have to wait for the trial to find out more about the perpetrators motive. The fact that he hit the mother of his child on Nov 2nd does not indicate a racial hatred motive at this stage.

Tell me how

Yeah, people complaining about the mainstream media and posting videos from right wing YouTube commentators isn't exactly the counterpoint you think it is.

That's ignoring the fact the biggest cable news outlet in the US, by a distance is a conservative one more than capable of 'speaking the facts' or whatever the facts are that you are inclined to believe anyway.

Fr Tod Umptious

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If you look at it from the point of view of a minority though is it that crazy ?

White people in Europe or the US for example don't face the same racial prejudice as other races do.

Take the example of a taxi. If given the choice of two equally available taxis one driven by a mionity the other driven by a member of the majority it's likely that most members of the majority will choose the one driven by the member of the majority.

I know myself as a white person if I had a choice I'd choose the one driven by the white person, because I'd prejudge that the minority would "not be able to understand me" or "not know their way around town as well" or "would try to scam me with a more expensive fare".

None of those prejudices are valid, but they are prejudices that people hold.

And if you extrapolate that out across all sectors of society you can see how people believe that the majority cannot face racial prejudice the way minorities can.

I've never been a member of a minority in any place I have lived so I cannot tell a member of a minority if there feelings of racial prejudice are valid or not.

Cody montana

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Could you people please stop politicising everything.

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118217528#Comment_118217528

if a black man was locked up it would be systematic racism and injustice in the eyes of our woke brigade

Have you ever taken the time to look at incarceration rates for the various races in the US? Or are you discounting the literal millions of people in jail in an attempt to make a singular outraged point?

joseywhales

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I agree with you, that it feels and is much worse to be a victim of racial prejudice in a society where one is a minority. To have the prejudice reinforced by the world around you can be at best extremely frustrating and at worst lead to self blame and erosion of self confidence.

This should be highlighted and explained to everyone, to promote understanding.

However, unilaterally changing the definition of the word racism is not justified because of beliefs or feelings. The word itself, for me at least was unbiased and racially blind. It also asked us to evolve to a higher standard where race is irrelevant. As things stand, we will have two groups who will not even agree on the definition of something that is morally unacceptable. How will they ever establish 'good faith' to begin to negotiate their differences? It's a real schism, at least before we had some building blocks we could all agree on and how we wanted the future to be.

When it was first explained to me, as a privileged culchie from Ireland, I just thought "This idea is dangerous"

TooTired123

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yet people will still sit in front of CNN/Fox News or read the Gaurdian/Daily Mail and swallow it all hook line and sinker. My own brother has a science PHD and he will quote the Gaurdian as if it were the Bible. All this while sitting beside his swimming pool sipping a glass of Bollinger.

Tell me how

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Your brother seems to be intelligent, educated, successful and content.

Maybe you should listen to him. I sure would over Johnny 12 digit surname on Twitter or wherever.

TooTired123

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Er… no. I’ll sit and discuss the virtues of socialism and equality of outcome with him just as soon as he sells his 3/4€ Million home, buys a modest house for his family of 4, gives the entire profit to the poor, redirects all but the national minimum wage from his huge 6 figure salary to the poor, leaves his family with one small budget car and gives up his endless far flung holidays. Socialism starts with you.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118217803#Comment_118217803

Yeah no one in Scandinavia has wealth or money.

TooTired123

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yeah Scandinavians understand that taxes need to be very high in order for low cost education childcare health etc to work. And that unemployment payments are strictly limited to 60 weeks for example.

Irish people who long for socialism wouldnt like that. At all.

The Quintessence Model

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118218319#Comment_118218319

And that everyone pays at least ~30% income tax regardless of income.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118218319#Comment_118218319

But I thought socialism automatically meant selling everything and living in squalor. At least that's the impression your last post gave.

DontHitTheDitch

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Are the means of production in Scandinavian countries owned by the state? Do they have a planned economy? Hint: No.

LillySV

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I’m referring to the world post George Floyd …what happened to him was terrible and definitely has been a lot of racism shown towards the black community in previous decades … but two wrongs don’t make a right …. And guys like this getting a get out of Jail card is wrong

TooTired123

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It was you gave the example of Scandinavia. You very carefully avoided all the many countries that have experimented with socialism resulting in the suffering and deaths of millions. Sweden is not turning out so fab either.

bewareofthedog

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwWKmOSlEhg

I agree with you, it's not a huge surprise to me he was out on such a small bond if you follow the "progressive" agenda of some Democrats in Washington, yet you'll hear the same nonsense rambled again and again on boards that the Democrat party is if anything on the right.

Above example, she wants federal prisons to be emptied within 10 years supporting something called the breath act. She can't give a straight answer if there's certain types of criminals who should remained locked up.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118218685#Comment_118218685

Grand so anyone who refers to anything other than state control of all assets and production as socialism can be dismissed as a liar or a crank? Good stuff. 🤙

1800_Ladladlad

Below are the four children (ages 7-14) who were seriously injured during the Christmas parade.

A friend of the children mother Alicia Masino set up a gofundme to help the mounting hospital bills and ongoing therapies