Santy get a boyfriend...

km991148

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118313975#Comment_118313975

Guess its only going to outrage those that find people kissing 'distasteful'?

Besides - I didn't get the impression that's what this ad campaign was about (causing outrage for the sake of it - it's not a DM headline or something).

Potential-Monke

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118314184#Comment_118314184

There we are people. Personal opinions are immature if they are not the mainstream thought. How is not liking something a lack of maturity? Does it just apply to anything sexual related, or every opinion on anything ever?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118317333#Comment_118317333

If a person has to avert their eyes when two men kiss... That's pretty immature. So yep happy to stand by that view.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118317333#Comment_118317333

Anyone is entitled to not like anything they wish, to actively argue against something however is different. That's not just 'not liking something '

Potential-Monke

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118317393#Comment_118317393

You didn't answer my question. Just when it comes to men kissing, everything of a sexual nature in general, or any opinion on anything?

@bubblypop Are people not allowed air their opinions? Airing an opinion is not necessarily arguing against it. I'm not on the extreme of either side, so I'm not arguing anything, just discussing. I'm not speaking for other people and their opinions.

Also, is there somewhere with a fine list of what defines immaturity? Or does it depend on the persons personal experiences and views?

People of course can voice their opinion

There are many posters on here however that are arguing against Santa kissing a man, for various reasons, but they basically are that he just shouldn't be kissing men, for no reason other then they don't like it, its creepy, it's weird, it's icky, whatever language they use. Basically they don't agree with men kissing, as far as I can see.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118317571#Comment_118317571

Not all personal opinions are immature but I would say the vast majority of the ones from people who are opposed to the ad are a mix of immature and homophobic. When one is arguing they have to look away cause their sexuality simply makes them uncomfortable watching two people kiss in the most tame fashion going... That sounds more like something a ten year old would say tbh...

Potential-Monke

But that's your opinion. What you consider immature may not be to others. I don't consider myself immature, yet I spend 90% of my free time gaming, or watching anime, because I find absolutely no joy in watching "mature" tv (I'm 38). I avert my eyes when I see gay men getting personal, because it's not something I'm interested in seeing. If I was to continue to stare even with my interests, it would be weirder no? I'm not saying I make shapes and throw a big scene of avoiding looking, I just don't look. If it was 2 women kissing, because my mind creates unrealistic scenarios, I may stare longer, which again would be worse. So I mainly spend most my time not looking at anyone/anything in particular.

So again, point is that everyone is different, and being different to your own opinion is not necessarily an indication of immaturity, or indeed homophobic thoughts.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118317737#Comment_118317737

But there is nothing wrong with not watching, if you don't want to.

But if you are going out actively arguing against male sexual scenes ( which I'm not saying you are) then obviously those people are against male sexual scenes, or even men kissing men, which isn't sexual!

So, no, of course you don't have to like it, you don't have to watch it, but people that actively argue against it, and say it shouldn't happen, then they are the homophobic ones. Clearly.

KevMayo88

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118317767#Comment_118317767

Santa is not gay. End of.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118317902#Comment_118317902

how do You know?

Did he tell you?

end of the road

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118317905#Comment_118317905

we know because he isn't.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118317942#Comment_118317942

How do you know he isnt? Seriously?

DontHitTheDitch

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118317954#Comment_118317954

First of all he is based on a real person, the Christian Saint Nicholas, who, according to legend, dropped bags of gold coins through a window over several nights to the father of three girls so he could pay a dowry for them rather than see them turn to prostitution. Hence the link to night time gift giving for children. How many gay saints are there? He was also a bishop.

Secondly, he has been associated with Mrs. Claus for over 150 years, she is now canon in the christmas tradition for generations.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118318026#Comment_118318026

Based on a real person. Does he have any resemblance at all to st.Nicholas?

Nope. Santa has no resemblance whatsoever to the original.

Hence the Mrs Claus person, no reason to think he has a wife, other than someone made it up. Same as this advert. Someone made it up.

He is now a fictional character. So, he can be whatever anyone wants him to be.

DontHitTheDitch

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118318044#Comment_118318044

He is a traditional character, based on the attributes of a real person. If he were a true fictional character there would be nothing wrong with saying he has a detachable reptilian tail and travels around the world stealing bicycles on the 1st of June.

If there was an ad showing Santa Claus cruising for a one night stand or to pick up a street walker, I'd feel exactly the same way. It's nothing to do with homophobia.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118318087#Comment_118318087

I have seen Santa in many different guises over the years, he is whatever someone imagines him as. He is a fictional character.

If I want to imagine him as a transsexual, I can. He is fictional.

DontHitTheDitch

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118318111#Comment_118318111

Yes, absolutely, you can go wherever your imagination wants to. You are welcome to imagine Santa as a fanatical supporter of the Khmer Rouge and have him wearing a t-shirt with Pol Pot's face on it. Or Margaret Thatcher, if that's your bag. Just don't go using your imagination to publicly shoehorn a political agenda into a high profile children's traditional character. That's just arrogance and egotism.

cgcsb

This thread is proper hilarious. Can't decide if people are for real or not.

Is there really Irish people going around talking like mid-west American local radio commentators, going on about 'libs', 'woke', 'commies' and talking about 'traditions' that they don't really understand.

Seriously like, you're sinead from Lucan, not Martha from Misouri. You're born and rared in a liberal country full of skeptics, pragmatists and abundant free education and you insist on adopting this 'Merica nonsense that you licked off some YouTuber who 'makes sense'. Divide that brain cell, fgs. Its a cute little video about someone who never existed made in solidarity with a small number of people who actually exist and face persecution, cop on. Do your gay friends and family know you carry on like this? Or even your friends and family capable of rational thoughts.

DontHitTheDitch

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118318125#Comment_118318125

You think you're not the bigot, that's your problem.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118318133#Comment_118318133

He is clearly not a bigot!

Live and let live.

And that includes letting Santa kiss a man

cgcsb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118227989#Comment_118227989

I really hope that I'm not one of the 'gay friends' that anonymous online 'phobes talk about to self-justify things. It was rampant during the ssm referendum campaign. Couldn't swing a cat for the alleged 'gay friends' that didn't want to be treated equally and wanted their views to be fully represented by anonymous online 'phobes.

Christy42

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118318119#Comment_118318119

What political agenda? Is kissing a man political in western Europe these days? I had kinda figured we had reached the point that we just went on with our lives and let consenting adults kiss each other these days? I mean this thread might be evidence against that. What is the political agenda they are fighting for exactly? I don't think it was even seen as political in Norway, i.e. it's intended audience.

As for those who turn away. Do you do the same for an ugly couple (by the viewers standards obviously) having a snog. What about in real life?

cgcsb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118318133#Comment_118318133

I know I'm not a bigot you absolute clown.

Ash.J.Williams

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118238666#Comment_118238666

marriages never break up because of sexuality, that's 100% fact , never happens

km991148

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118319215#Comment_118319215

definitely didn't happen 150 years ago either.

I'm feeling quite bad for the Santa 'origin' story. For years we've all been led to believe that he was the happy chap, bringing joy to people around the world (well deserving western people at least) and all this time he's been carrying this burden. The happy exterior masking the pain.

Forced to take a wife in order to hide was was deemed too shameful by societal norms at the time. Two lives torn apart because we just couldn't accept that Santa was gay. Shame on us. I hope him and Mrs Clause can have a much better Christmas this year and are able to each find happiness.

Can people not just ignore such garbage and enjoy the real meaning of Christmas? Celebrating the birth of Christ.

Peace be with you all.

km991148

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118319929#Comment_118319929

And mass consumerism!

Peas be with you.

KevMayo88

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118318111#Comment_118318111

You can imagine any fictional character any way you want. You can imagine Batman as a transgender Asian girl. You can imagine the Easter Bunny as an Armadillo with bleeding eyes. That's all up to you. But don't try saying that just because a character is fictional that means that hundreds of years of common established lore and tradtition around that character mean nothing and should be disregarded.

DarkJager21

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118320282#Comment_118320282

Isn't that essentially the core tenet of this "progressive" mindset? Take what has gone before no matter how established or loved it is in its original state, cancel what you don't like and then bastardise the rest with a new woke slant to be more in line with your right on values.

KevMayo88

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118320368#Comment_118320368

Exactly. We have even seen this sort of nonsense repeated this year in another instance with Santa. Look at 'Santa Inc.', the new animated HBO show. In it, Santa and the whole North Pole institution is depicted as outdated, too white, and mysogynastic. It seeks to completely deconstruct and destroy the Santa myth and replace it with something 'better'. Needless to say, audiences have savaged the show.

km991148

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118320368#Comment_118320368

Now that's just jumbled up guff in fairness.

km991148

I think we should really give Santa some space and time this year.

Must be tough on him and his family dealing with all this. Can't be easy to come out after all this time.

KevMayo88

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118320770#Comment_118320770

You have obviously not been observing Star Wars, Star Trek, Doctor Who, He-Man, Marvel (in comics as well as movies) in the last few years, not to mention the upcoming Lord of the Rings series.

DontHitTheDitch

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118319157#Comment_118319157

Read your post again, it's dripping with prejudice and a self-righteousness.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118320823#Comment_118320823

Really enjoyed Whittaker as the doctor, Star Trek has literally been "Woke" since it started. Marvel is getting on great in both comics and film. Star Wars outraged some mras and that's about it. No idea on He-Man and Lord of the Rings hasn't even come out yet and you're already getting annoyed? For people who accuse others of being "snowflakes", much of this thread is easily triggered...

KevMayo88

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118321279#Comment_118321279

That made me smile, thank you.

km991148

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118320823#Comment_118320823

I know! Can't even have a decent minstrel show these days. Shocking.

km991148

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118321279#Comment_118321279

Not a big Star Trek fan, but whenever Code of Honor comes on I make sure to watch it with a can of Tennents lager (the blue cans with Janice and Shona of course) and have a right fuzzy feeling as I reminisce about how the world was back in the day, none of this woke bs.

DarkJager21

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118320770#Comment_118320770

It's not, I'd argue it's pretty spot on actually. What is with the woke cretins that they can't form an original idea between them? Surely if their world views are so "right on" and supported by a majority, then they could create something original which would gain a fanbase on it's own yeah?

Nope - it's easier to take existing established characters and turn them in to some sort of LGBT token or even make them a different colour, so if anybody dares to complain you can just shout them down as some sort of "phobe" or "ist". I think a lot of people are frankly tired of this **** at this point and I really do hope 2022 is the tidal backlash that washes this "woke" culture and ideology back down the shitter where it belongs.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118321295#Comment_118321295

Well, your point is pretty terrible... Do you think Star Trek was previously more conservative or something? Dr Who is about a person who literally body swaps every few years. Iirc they even stated they can end up in a non human body. So a woman really isn't that big a leap...

KevMayo88

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118321450#Comment_118321450

...and every single time a studio makes a big woke project, it turns out to be a complete disaster with audiences, but more importantly, monetarily. Look at some of the big woke projects of 2021 and how they did:

In The Heights- box office flop

Eternals and Black Widow- Marvels biggest flops and lowest rated movies

Cowboy Bebob- cancelled after 1 season

Y the Last Man- cancelled after 1 season

Santa Inc- The lowest rated TV show in IMDB history, unlikely to return for season 2

West Side Story- box office flop

km991148

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118321450#Comment_118321450

It's not, I'd argue it's pretty spot on actually.

Course you would - but that's why you are here getting all grumbly about two guys kissing in a pointless add.

when you read the actual post:

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118320368#Comment_118320368

It doesn't really say anything - just a bunch of stuff against an imagined enemy (woke cretins/ progressive mindset/ cancel culture),

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118321915#Comment_118321915

Really enjoyed Black Widow and it was critically well received iirc, it had a joint release online plus was in a pandemic so imagine that hit it. Y The Last Man, couldn't get into it but love the comic which came out nearly 20 years ago. Your most interesting though is West Side Story, yep not getting on great in the box office for its first weekend. Firstly, original came out out fifty years ago, would you classify that as woke too? Secondly, it's gotten superb reviews, sometimes great films don't get on great in the box office, doesn't mean a whole lot in relation to the quality of the film.

But the fact you're getting so excitable is a bit hilarious. Eg it was viewed as "woke" when Phoebe Waller Bridges was asked to clean up the script of the latest Bond. I don't view it as such for the record. Guess what the highest grossing English language film is....

Potential-Monke

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118318664#Comment_118318664

Re: last question. Yes, I turn away because again, it's not something I want to look at, and certainly not because I'm [x]phobic. I just don't like looking at things I don't like. I run from spiders, but I suppose you could call me arachnist? Arachnaphobic... no, that's just a fear, and I do hate spiders... Anyway, point is, I look away from what I don't like looking at, which seems to be hard for some people to grasp. No hidden undertones or political agendas, just don't like looking at stuff I don't like looking at.

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118321915#Comment_118321915

blah blah... woke.... blah woke.....blah...woke

All I got from your post is literally blah

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118322428#Comment_118322428

If you really stepped back from this thread you could objectively call 1 half of it; Long pointless rant against the so called "woke"

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118323461#Comment_118323461

Its not that overwhelming 🤣. The vast majority of people dont really care. At the end of the day all the Snowflaky Grandpa Simpson shouting at the sky doesnt really achieve much. Its just a few people getting angry and upset and ranting about imaginary wokeness. Maybe they should rant at Coca Cola for the suit colour change or blame the Americans for commercialising Santa or rant at poets for fattening Santa.

Maybe you all think we are like the 1950s French Catholics who executed Santa.

Santa is a figure composited of several different traditions and philosophies; Christianity, Paganism, Capitalist Commercialism all coming together merged into one. Through that process he constantly changes and evolves. Its really no big deal to have lots of different depictions; holy santa, fat santa, green santa, commercial santa - a minor change like him possibly being gay or bi in one depiction wont end the world. It really really wont. Life will move on as normal. You wont have miliions of children traumatised and scarred for life....

FunLover18

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118318026#Comment_118318026

Lol, way to prove your point that you "can't **** with tradition". You literally admit yourself that it's legend, not fact and then go on to demonstrate how current canon deviates massively from the legend. Are you not annoyed that kids get presents instead of money or by the fact that Christmas is only one night? Did Saint Nick wear a red and white costume designed by a soft drink company?

And wow, seriously. He can't be gay because he was a saint and a bishop. C'mon, how naive are you?

So even though he was a bishop it's ok to associate him with a wife. The first reference to Mrs Claus was supposedly in 1849, nearly 1600 years after Saint Nicholas's death so get out of that with your Christmas canon nonsense.

EmmetSpiceland