Formula 1 Round 21 Saudia Arabia GP

Faugheen

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118274415#Comment_118274415

You think that incident is what I'm talking about?

The first restart where Max cut across the corner and re-entered the track in an unsafe manner?

And then later when he completely swiped the cross the first corner, forcing both of them off the track? You know, the incident that led to this in the first place?

How any one can watch that race and defend Max's driving is beyond me. A 7 year pro and he was driving around like Nikita Mazepin because, and not for the first time this season, he doesn't think the rules apply to him and he can do whatever he wants and everyone else has to get out of the way.

Monza, Sao Paolo, and now here. Eventually people are going to have to open their eyes and see that Max, for all the talent he possesses, has been driving like a maniac.

namloc1980

Damon Hill still going on about Michael Schumacher. Rent free in his head.

quokula

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118274318#Comment_118274318

I think you mean the only reason Hamilton is in the title race is that he took out Verstappen in Silverstone and his teammate took out Verstappen in Hungary. Verstappen should already be champion mathematically on merit before this weekend if Mercedes weren’t so dirty and the stewards applied the rules consistently.

You need to take your blinkers off, for any neutral fan it’s obvious to see.

quokula

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118274326#Comment_118274326

Yeah, it’s like every time a car has ever had a technical error everyone behind has ploughed into the back of them. Oh wait, no they haven’t. Pure stupidity.

artanevilla

Max actually got a 5 second penalty for Hamilton crashing into him when he tried to let him past. It's actually outrageous when you think about.

Not sure it's conspiracy as much as complete and utter incompetence by those controlling the race.

Hijpo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118274371#Comment_118274371

I do believe its Hamilton that throws around the conspiracy theories when things don't go his way.

Rossi IRL

I just think the slowing down incident was confusing.

Think both could of done more to avoid it. Verstappen was in the middle of the track and did it at the fastest part of the track which wasn't ideal. Hamilton probably got confused with a lack of communication. Probably could of avoided it aswell. Just a very strange incident.

Think the stewards should just warn both going into the last race and leave it at that.

Killinator

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118274463#Comment_118274463

That's not why he got the 5 second penalty though, it was for an earlier incident.

KevRossi

Hamilton driving into Verstappen was a racing incident IMO, albeit a bizarre one. It couldn't have been deliberate as he had so much to lose.

Anyway, I propose the penalty that both of them start from the back of the grid in Dubai 😂. That would be some action.

devnull

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118274441#Comment_118274441

The same Damon Hill who was dropped by his own team after winning a title because he was too soft.

namloc1980

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118274439#Comment_118274439

Translation: "I'm just going to ignore Hamilton's shocking driving over the weekend and cry about how mean Max was to my hero Hamilton".

RunningFlyer

Lewis was trying to be too clever playing the DRS game as his team hadn’t told him and that’s why he didn’t overtake - even he commented about DRS in the media pen so genuinely think he is to blame for the collision.

Faugheen

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118274463#Comment_118274463

Max didn't get a penalty for Hamilton going into the back of him.

Faugheen

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118274481#Comment_118274481

Excellent. You're faced with facts right in front of you and you run away and deflect.

flazio

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118274490#Comment_118274490

....yet.

redlad12

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118274470#Comment_118274470

Man tbh I hate the two of them , I'd probably just about rather Hamilton win cos I'm used to it anyway haha but I just don't really buy into any conspiracies, racing incidents happen all the time , always have. I think whoever wins next week will deserve it. And 4 wins in a row at the end cant be ignored , it's pure clutch performances.

Faugheen

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118274471#Comment_118274471

That would be the right outcome for me too.

They're level on points. Max was punished already for earlier incidents. Lets go to Abu Dhabi and let them go at it.

pjohnson

If people are buying into the Lewis didn't know he was allowed overtake without permission angle then how is Max getting penalised at all?

If Hamilton needs permission to pass then it isn't Max's fault that Lewis wasn't given that permission at the same time he was.

Faugheen

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118274453#Comment_118274453

You, who to this day claims Hamilton intentionally tried to kill Max at Silverstone, is telling me to take my blinkers off?

Seriously? You're the last person who has any right to tell anyone else to take their blinkers off.

The cheek of you.

mickdw

Mad race but they are ruining the sport with the penalties.

Verstappen went around Hamilton off the track after 2nd start. Fair enough then re the shuffle to 3rd for the restart.

From then on, it appeared Verstappen couldn't defend from Hamilton at all without getting a penalty.

Verstappen brakes late to defend, lost the rear alittle but held the car. That's racing and should be let run.

I think there is precedent against what max did in allowing lewis by only to overtake him immediately again. That should be given back again.

Where Hamilton ran into him, I think that should have been regarded as Verstappen having let him by and be finished with.

No matter what way I look at it, it appears max got one penalty too many.

If the stewards add more penalties to max, the sport is finished.

quokula

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118274499#Comment_118274499

For you of all people to make a statement like that, the lack of self awareness is hilarious. But do continue drinking the xenophobic Sky F1 koolaid and fighting the good fight by performing extreme mental gymnastics to put forward bizarre arguments which have little or no relationship with reality.

There’s a reason why Max won driver of the day comfortably and Lewis continues to get booed by the neutral fans everywhere he goes. Most people don’t respect a cheater and a dirty driver, and fewer still respect one that’s being handed points on a plate by continual incredibly poor governance.

flazio

I mean, from Lewis's angle that could have been a Verstappen engine failure, just take the overtake.

DrZeuss

When Lewis hit the back of Max, it's a bit strange that Max wasn't straight on the team radio. Or why didn't we hear that team radio.

Burkie1203

Max got a 3 place grid penalty already for causing a collision at Monza. Hamilton should get the same now

pjohnson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118274569#Comment_118274569

He apparently cant unless he is told to on the radio.

walshb

If Max was allowing Lewis take back the position, would he not have moved to one side the track? Seemed more he brake-tested Lewis..

All_in_Flynn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118274383#Comment_118274383

Why didn't he pull to the side? Why did he slightly move the car to the left again? What did Lewis have to gain by going into the back of him?

I've no dog in this race. I actually like both drivers and I've really enjoyed watching them compete this year. Max for most of this season has been unbelievably good but he looks under pressure at the moment. Lewis has been turning the screw and driving exceptionally. I just don't get the blind hatred for Lewis and at the same time not holding Max to the same standards.

RunningFlyer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118274585#Comment_118274585

Sure we didn’t even see Max’s post-race interview.

Or the battle between Ocon/Bottas on the last lap.

saw some cool drones though….

ctrl-alt-delete

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118274585#Comment_118274585

Sky played some earlier, not from Max though but from his engineers, along the lines of "We are not sure what is happening Max, we are slowing down and he didn't pass"

Davidson seemed to think that didn't coincide with the point of video - it was played as Max was accelerating off after the impact.

It all seems a bit confusing.

Faugheen

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118274568#Comment_118274568

The 'xenophobic Sky F1 koolaid'?

What the f*ck are you talking about?

You claim Hamilton tried to intentionally kill Max at Silverstone and then had the cheek to tell me to take my blinkers off. You have been the most one-sided poster on this forum all season and it's all based around your relentless and obsessive hatred of someone you have never even met.

If you want to call me 'xenophobic' with absolutely zero basis for it then I could call you a hell of a lot worse with the exact same basis.

Someone is drinking 'the koolaid (what on Earth is this about anyway?)' and it's not me.

ctrl-alt-delete

Nice of Lewis stopping for pictures coming out of the steward's office there.

namloc1980

Masi auctioning off grid slots was bonkers.

DrZeuss

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118274597#Comment_118274597

That cut on the Max interview was very odd indeed.

At least it was an exciting race, and didn't need rain to make it that way for a change.

pjohnson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118274618#Comment_118274618

It was raining debris tbf.

bucketybuck

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118274585#Comment_118274585

I think he knows damn well he was playing at silly buggers and he doesn't want a bunch of questions about that incident. Hamilton should have avoided contact regardless, but weaving slightly and slowing down in the middle of the track instead of pulling to the side, he was dicking about and he knows it. He is well able to whinge and cry when it suits him but he says nothing there?

He also knows the tyres would have cost him the spot anyway so would rather it just be forgotten about.

Fiery mutant

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118274366#Comment_118274366

I don't see why people are focusing on max taking off after being hit. What should h he have done? Got out and asked for his insurance details?

Burkie1203

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118274595#Comment_118274595

There was two thirds of the track on the inside as they approached turn 27. Max left a lot more room then Lewis left for Mazepin yesterday.

Faugheen

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118274611#Comment_118274611

Are you talking about before the last restart? That baffled me as well.

But, Max was going to be asked to give the place back, but in the meantime Ocon got between both of them so I don't know what else was supposed to be done there. Ocon 1st, Hamilton 2nd and Max 3rd was the right call I think.

DrZeuss

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118274604#Comment_118274604

Very confusing, even the accelerating off didn't make much sense.

Burkie1203

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118274638#Comment_118274638

Max was looking in his mirror. I think he expected Hamilton to pull to his left and was timing his acceleration. He was told to let him by strategically which is why I think that is why he accelerated at the moment of contact

RunningFlyer

My interpretation of it was Max slowed and stayed to one side to give Lewis the position, but when Lewis didn’t overtake he had to then think about his own car fast approaching corner and to act to that.

There was definitely a bit of sh*thousery from Max but only after Lewis didn’t simply overtake at higher speed.

I do find it unfair that Max got a 5 sec penalty and have position back. Also what happened to Bottas during the SC before first red flag?

The ultimate result is fair I think though (HAM 1st & VER 2nd). I really hope stewards don’t make any further penalties so we can go into Abu Dhabi next week all square.

DrZeuss

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118274645#Comment_118274645

Yeah, it would have made things much less confusing if Hamilton had just passed Max as he slowed. The room was there and there was no reason not to pass.

RoryMac

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118274392#Comment_118274392

It makes no sense for Hamilton to deliberately crash into Max and he didn't but the contact was his fault and it was a pretty serious contact so Hamilton should be facing pretty serious questions.

The overhead view shows there was plenty of space to go past. I'd imagine Hamilton thought there might be an issue ahead or a safety car that he hadn't got a notification of but that doesn't excuse him crashing into the back of another car

devnull

Latest from Hamilton

"He was trying to let me past, which l guess is what he had been asked to do, but before the DRS zone so that he would then DRS back past me into Turn One. So that was the tactic. But the worst part was the steep, heavy braking which happened. That was the dangerous part."

If this was a court case, any lawyer would expose his changing stories.

Burkie1203

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118274684#Comment_118274684

Hamilton whining about dangerous part. He got off scot free yesterday with Mazepin.

Haas have to build two new cars by next weekend. Harsh on them

DrZeuss

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118274684#Comment_118274684

While that does sound plausible, surely if Hamilton sees Max slowing for no reason why would he think Max would be able to use DRS to catch him again. It's not adding up.

Hijpo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118274375#Comment_118274375

What exactly was excellent about Hamiltons driving this season?

Was it the non contests with verstappen due to DNF's and damage caused by Mercs or was it the "cutting through the field" with a superior engine and dodgy rear wing in a straight DRS zone where other drivers openly said they wouldn't fight him? Maybe it was this Merc infringement ridden weekend without penalties for either of them?

Please enlighten us all, which straight up races between the two drivers has put Hamilton ahead of Verstappen.

devnull

Decisions are in from the Stewards and now on FIA website.

Faugheen

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118274716#Comment_118274716

Because if Hamilton got past, Max could then floor it to the DRS detection point. He literally did that a few laps later.

Killinator

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118274716#Comment_118274716

But that's exactly what happened a few laps later. Max let him by just before Drs line, got Drs and then passed him again straight away.