Anti-vax/science/lockdown folks facing consequences in the courts

Hotblack Desiato

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120104219#Comment_120104219

That's not a vaccine mandate. Let's not let the antivaxxers away with their gaslighting.

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120106495#Comment_120106495

Oh totally it is not mandatory vaccines ... vaccine passport might be better phrasing to avoid confusion.

Hotblack Desiato

Yeah but you still didn't have to be vaccinated if you had immunity from catching covid-19.

xxxxxxl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120118285#Comment_120118285

You're less lightly to get the same strain just like the flu no one is immune to these things. You will just get it less bad that's all. You will still spread it.

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120118340#Comment_120118340

In terms of vaccines, immunity is a relative term, not an absolute, it means added resistance to Covid.

Hotblack Desiato

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120118340#Comment_120118340

Did I use the word "absolute" anywhere in that post...?

Getting it less bad means having a degree of immunity

foxsake

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120106495#Comment_120106495

while nobody forced the jab into your body physical. there was coercion in being locked out of parts of society like gyms, pubs etc..

even Leo varakdar admitted there was an element if coercion

not to mention the media hyping up the whole thing with plenty of discussions on whether employers could enforce vaccine mandates and plenty of laments and calls for new laws from media commentators too when legally this was dodgy ground.

you may deny it but in reality its was just a vaccine mandate by proxy.

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120128542#Comment_120128542

There was no mandate for Covid vaccines, however it was a global pandemic so there were obviously travel restrictions and other requirements. Vaccine mandates and restrictions have been around for a very long, for example, there are around 20 countries you can't travel to without a Yellow Fever jab. It's simply for people's protection, nothing political about any of it.

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120128542#Comment_120128542

An 'element' of coercion is not the same as actual coercion. No doubt if we see the full comment from Varadkar in context it will not tally with your representation of it.

Gyms and pubs were closed before vaccination and only opened up to those who were vaccinated. It was very much a carrot \ incentive rather than the stick \ coercion.

So you are left to resorting to media hype about possible laws to try to dress this up into people being coerced into getting vaccinated?

Laws that never came before the Dail never mind coming into legal force.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120128542#Comment_120128542

No, there wasn't.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120090627#Comment_120090627

"There should be room for contrary opinions"

"There is room, it's just that there aren't any contrary opinions which are based in science (apart from the quacks). Show me one example of a science-based contradiction?"

"Well, you won't find one....but not because there aren't any, it's because they're afraid to publish their findings and of being blackballed".

Straight out of the conspiracy theory handbook. Claiming something is happening to fool the masses, while providing zero evidence other than "I mean, c'mon guys, isn't it obvious?".

Hotblack Desiato

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120128542#Comment_120128542

Yawn

xxxxxxl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120128572#Comment_120128572

You don't have to travel there it's a choice. Your boss telling you to go home if your not vaccinated is not your choice. Vaccine passports were not a choice. You were effectively left to sit at home. The amount of people who lost the plot is crazy. I'm Vaccinated.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120144612#Comment_120144612

Did this actually happen or is it more anti vaxx nonsense?

In any case, people have the right to a safe workplace. Treating anti-vaxxers as some sort of privileged upper caste isn't a solution.

Dohnjoe

Edit

xxxxxxl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120144862#Comment_120144862

Should those that did not get the TB jab or MMR for example also be excluded from working ? What about not Getting a Flue jab ? All can be fatal. And Transmissible.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120149175#Comment_120149175

Didn't happen. As expected.

xxxxxxl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120149245#Comment_120149245

Can we actually answer the question ? Someone inserted safe work environment into this. I await a response.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120149308#Comment_120149308

How disingenuous. I asked you a question first and your response was whataboutery. Answer that first.

xxxxxxl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120149312#Comment_120149312

No You said

Did this actually happen or is it more anti vaxx nonsense?

In any case, people have the right to a safe workplace. Treating anti-vaxxers as some sort of privileged upper caste isn't a solution.

What part of this are we questioning ?

You don't have to travel there it's a choice. Your boss telling you to go home if your not vaccinated is not your choice. Vaccine passports were not a choice. You were effectively left to sit at home. The amount of people who lost the plot is crazy. I'm Vaccinated.

Talking about covid in a covid thread is not whataboutery. Again Im vaccinated so No idea where anit vaxx comes into this.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120149322#Comment_120149322

You know full well what the question was. It's perfectly clear.

Akrasia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120090627#Comment_120090627

20 thousand results on Google Scholar since 2022

There are plenty of scientists studying these things

xxxxxxl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120149332#Comment_120149332

I assume you mean being sent home from work ? I know people who were asked to present their covid certs in work. They being the more legal savvy told the boss to do one. I can't speak for those that were no so clued in. Are we suggesting you would get into anywhere without the covid cert ? If you had no covid cert you were effectively left to food shopping or staying at home. Could not travel outside your area.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120149352#Comment_120149352

As I said, perfectly clear.

The plural of anecdote is not data. I don't know a single person who was asked for a covid cert outside an airport.

pjohnson

There never was a vaccine mandate

xxxxxxl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120149363#Comment_120149363

Really. Why were bars requesting them then ? What was the point of the cert if it was only used for international travel. Maybe I'm mistaken it was a requirements for entry into venues and alike. What about those asked at checkpoints traveling outside their area.

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120149426#Comment_120149426

I think you have misinterpreted the comment.

The regulations were that you needed vaccine cert for gyms, bars, cinemas etc

There was no such regulation or checkpoints about travelling "outside their area" without covid cert - except relating to airport - so you are mistaken somewhere along the line.

Some offices may have had regulations for a period that if you didn't have vaccine cert you needed to continue work from home rather than return to office, that was a bit of a grey area. But in terms of professional consequences again I think you are mistaken there.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120149426#Comment_120149426

You're moving the goalposts again. There is no such thing as a vaccine mandate and there never was.

xxxxxxl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120149462#Comment_120149462

I'm not mistaking anything some are conflating the EU cert to the HSE one I still have mine. The cert was not a Grey area at all. It was not legal the HSE one. It never got to the courts and fell afoul of human rights legislation. People just went along with it. My cert gives all my information For some random to look at.

Name.

date given.

Where you got it.

What vaccine and when it was given.

Even down to time given.

The HSE one was absolutely Illegal. I was asked going into places to present it and if I refused was refused entry. Being refused to let back in the office was also Illegal company policy does not trump the laws of the land.

xxxxxxl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120149489#Comment_120149489

Where did I say Vaccine mandate Care to link that one ?