BoJo banished - Liz Truss down. Is Rishi next for the toaster? **threadbans in OP**

partyguinness

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118489541#Comment_118489541

Oh he apparently wrestled with his conscience about which side of the fence to fall off. He composed two speeches 1. Brexit and 2. Remain. This tells you all you need to know about the spoofer.

He was making sure he backed the winning horse for his own self serving purposes.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118489712#Comment_118489712

Semantics but he wrote two articles for the Telegraph the day before the referendum. The pro-Leave one is quite optimistic in tone and rhetoric, the pro-Remain one much more resigned. That said, I think the only principle he adheres to is material gain. Well, that and single-handedly trying to reverse population decline.

The key takeaway from Golfgate, Dept. Foreign affairs, BJ & friends, Pelosi, Buttigieg etc. etc. etc. constantly having parties while the rest of their respective countries were under lockdown seems not so much the personal hypocrisy, but that they never actually believed having parties represented a genuine public health risk. This is what anti-lockdown advocates have been saying from the outset, that if this virus was so dangerous, why don't our elected officials, i.e. the people making these rules, treat it as such? People should be more annoyed at the rules rather than the people who broke them.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118489632#Comment_118489632

You do realise that No 10 is just a **** great big office building with scores of rooms and three apartments that house the PM and the Chancellore, not an actual house that Boris lives in, don’t you?

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118490315#Comment_118490315

I don't know about where you live but plenty of my neighbours, work colleagues and friends had illegal parties and a lot of them attended with lovely hair cuts too. People in the public eye should be more careful and should get the sack if they organized parties but let's not pretend it's an us vs them where we were all angels while they were breaking rules

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118491340#Comment_118491340

Yes everyone knows that and even if he never stays there you are going to notice a fkn party in the office block you work in and especially one out in the garden that you are in attendance for.

And if you are going to be so condescending at least spell chancellor right

gmisk

https://twitter.com/Dominic2306/status/1483129651975315459?t=hLrH66HDM7KOazLLGR1aJA&s=19

The fish rots from the head. Johnson lied to Parliament seemingly.

km991148

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118491365#Comment_118491365

and a lot of people didn't. A lot lost relatives, missed funerals, broke up with partners and suffered greatly. This doesn't make it us vs them, but it's a complete slap in the face to do this with such wanton disregard and just highlights the extreme contempt that some of those have at the top for the people the "govern".

Kermit.de.frog

Dominic Cummings saying Johnson was warned about these parties before they took place.

https://twitter.com/Dominic2306/status/1483129651975315459

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118491387#Comment_118491387

People who govern and set the rules should definitely be willing to enforce them on themselves and should pay a high price if they don't.

But the one rule for them and one for us doesn't hold up when all sections of society were getting away with it.

Boris Johnson is now toast.

If Johnson is not removed now, he will be removed / resign after the local elections this coming May - where the Tory's are likely to be decimated.

gmisk

https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1483122940602425346?t=FTVxCk_Z12GsUkJgbNs-Vg&s=19

Yeah....really not looking good for Johnson now...

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118491627#Comment_118491627

He is safe because Labour are useless and everyone hates boring terrible Starmer. It's Labours fault when the Tories do something wrong because they are useless.

Oh wait.

Northernlily

If Johnson wasn't so spineless in dealing with Cummings over the Barnard Castle fiasco he wouldn't be in this mess.

He's genuinely an actual idiot who has reached the top office. Everything about him is amateur hour. I can imagine ministers and staffers run rings around him and he appeases them all in his quest to be liked. This is tip of iceberg stuff, more to come me thinks.

I **** despise Cummings aswell, an absolute weasel.

gmisk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118491780#Comment_118491780

Johnson doesn't seem like the sharpest knife in the drawer.

https://www.thenational.scot/news/19850427.covid-party-row-downing-street-staff-used-puppy-gate-control-big-dog-boris-johnson/

Cummings is a total scumbag.

gmisk

Another poll....Johnson bombing...

https://twitter.com/BalancePowerUK/status/1483125346195095553?t=iL7VwgP2TxPVsne-zHKa3g&s=19

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118491780#Comment_118491780

There is definitely a joke in there somewhere about what happens when you jerk around with a p***k like Cummings.

partyguinness

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118491340#Comment_118491340

Yes absolutely I am aware of that.

But the garden is not a "...**** great big..." garden is it? It even houses his toddler's swing FFS...

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118493227#Comment_118493227

Used to house the swings till someone broke them pssd drunk "doing office work" in the Prime Ministers garden

Loafing Oaf

Anyone slightly surprised this stuff took so long to come out? There must be great loyalty within the Downing Street 'team'. One individual with a grudge against Johnson or one of his enforcers, or who just wanted to 'change the course of history' could have literally brought the government down with a ten-second phone video of one of these parties at any point over the last two years.

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118493462#Comment_118493462

It's a bit like why the get you to have some quality time with a pigs head in private school. The system is held together by everyone having dirt on everyone in a form of mutually assured destruction.

Johnson has fked over a lot of people to keep himself insulated. Cummings obviously but with cabinet reshuffles and people you have had to step down for similar or less transgressions have nothing to lose. Simmons seems to be making enemies too throwing her weight around as if the PMs partner is some sort of official position of power

cj maxx

Yes I think he's toast.

Loafing Oaf

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118493502#Comment_118493502

But there must be a at least few hundred people who were in a position to blow the gaff on this carry-on, even down to cleaning staff or whoever. Surely one or two of them would dislike BoJo, or think he's unfit to be PM...

Akrasia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118490315#Comment_118490315

Not really, Think about it in this way. The government needs taxes to pay for all the sh1t it has to do. The government sets taxation policies that force all working people to pay tax at a certain rate. Then they go and create loopholes so that they themselves, and their buddies don't have to pay their taxes.

The system can cope if some people don't pay their taxes, but not if everyone refused to pay their taxes at the same time. The Tories just set up the system so that they can decide which people have to bear the burden of taxation and who can avoid them.

In the same way, the virus spreads through human contact, so to restrict it from spreading too quickly and overloading the health service, human contacts needed to be rationed.

When there's a pandemic, the risk from a single party is low, you're not going to overload the health service because Timmy has a 21st birthday party. However, if 10,000 Timmy's have a 21st birthday with 20 people at each party, then the chances of superspreader events become much higher

Johnson and all the other elites knew that they had to call for social distancing and lockdowns, for everyone else, but clearly did not want to include themselves because lockdowns are unpleasant, and they feel so entitled and superior that they think they can keep all the nice things for themselves, and impose all the hardship on everyone else.

Akrasia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118491365#Comment_118491365

Yes, and in the UK, tens of thousands of people were fined and prosecuted for breaking the regulations over the past few years

And the biggest outrage is not from people who didn't host parties during the lockdown, its from people who couldn't see their dying loved ones because of the lockdown rules. The anger is from all the stories of people dying alone in hospital while the Tories were laughing at their faces, joking about their illegal parties 'not even social distancing'

Not to mention all of the weddings that had to be cancelled, the funerals where people couldn't pay their respects, the children who couldn't have their granny over to share birthday cake, the grandparents who couldn't hold their newborn grandchildren until they were more than a year old, the people with parents in nursing homes who couldn't go to visit them, or had them die in one of the many outbreaks in nursing homes caused by the Tories deliberate policy to send covid positive patients back to the homes to free up hospital beds...

All of this, while the tories were laughing at everyone, carrying suitcases full of booze to their secret parties.

Johnson should resign, not just because of his disgraceful behaviour, but because he repeatedly lied about it in the house of commons. He broke the law, and then he broke the ministerial code. By not resigning, he's just another step on the way to the UK breaking their own democracy

Akrasia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118491412#Comment_118491412

6500 prosecutions for breaching covid regulations in 1st 6 months of pandemic.

https://www.cps.gov.uk/cps/news/6500-coronavirus-related-prosecutions-first-six-months-pandemic

Sure, not everyone got caught, but those who were caught were prosecuted.

Not prosecuting Johnson while thousands of others were prosecuted would be a further indictment on the corruption of the UK police services

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118493608#Comment_118493608

I certainly ain't going to argue about the last paragraph.

astrofool

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118491780#Comment_118491780

Is it more incompetent than trump was? I mean, all he had to do was not let parties be organised at his place of work. Such a ridiculous way for a PM to go out. He'll leave the Brexit legacy in turmoil with the successor having to negotiate over a best ever deal that turned out to be awful for the UK.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118493680#Comment_118493680

I think comparing the two is a mistake. Sure, they're both bloated, lecherous f*cks who've never done a day's work in their lives but there the similarities tend to end. Trump is a barely sentient fascist with barely anything resembling an intellect. Johnson, for all of his myriad flaws is not. He's simply lazy, vain, selfish and only interested in himself and his own gains. Even Carries seems to be there as some form of human squid to pump out a distraction when needed.

Johnson had outsourced himself to Cummings. The initial instinct to defend him stems from this but when it became clear that this wasn't going to wash, Cummings went. Cummings had big ideas and deeply resents being thwarted hence his briefing against Johnson.

km991148

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118493462#Comment_118493462

A little - but for maximum leverage you wouldn't want to run the risk of throwing dirt during moments of crisis. If this came out in the middle of a lockdown or the start of a new wave then the opposition would be reluctant to capitalise as then they would be seen as distracting from the main focus (protect the NHS etc).

This is the first time that such a move could be executed. In before BJ can spin the handling of the pandemic as a success (We are opening up etc) or before the economy collapses, but after the imminent danger of Omicron seems to have passed).