BoJo banished - Liz Truss down. Is Rishi next for the toaster? **threadbans in OP**

Kermit.de.frog

https://twitter.com/janemerrick23/status/1584279743339589632

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Sleepy

I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss the idea that Boris had the 102 claimed nominations, I'd be wondering what it cost Sunak (or the British public) to get him to stand down. Johnson represents the disaster capitalist wing of the Tory Party, it's entirely possible he flew back from his holidays not to try and seize power again but to personally profit from the mess he made by backing Truss.

Peregrinus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119785872#Comment_119785872

If he just wants to profit financially, he doesn't have to fly back. He can do that from anywhere on the planet, due to the wonderful magic that is the internet today.

As for the claimed 102 backers, it seems wildly unlikely. If we believe the claims from the Johnson camp, he had crossed the 100 threshold 24 hours earlier, and then his campaign completely stalled — by his own campaign's account, he apparently picked up no new endorsements while Sunak and even Mordaunt continued to. What an amazing coincidence that Johnson should peak and stall and precisely the level of support that would enable him to claim that he had a choice about whether to press on or not.

Johnson, remember, had a leadership campaign fall apart before, in 2016. He's never been this amazing unstoppable force within the party. He won the leadership election in 2019, but the context of that contest was very different. Securing wide support in the party now, after the spectacular disintegration of his government four months ago, would be very surprising.

Finally, you can just look at the people who declared for Johnson in 2019. Of that group, more have declared for Sunak in 2022 than have declared for Johnson. He has pissed of most of his known supporters. So where are these convenient but shy anonymous supporters coming from to replace all the defectors? From his imagination, is an answer that is very hard to disagree with.

Furze99

So Boris has learnt when to pull out and/or has been persuaded. I'd reckon he had a good deal of hidden support and would have reached the 100 but not enough, so that when he'd go onto to win the membership vote, he realised he'd have an ungovernable party. He was told to pull out I reckon.

Sunak probably best for us, but doesn't seem very liked by many of his MPs either. Perhaps less disliked than others. Also has baggage and is not a White British Tory.

Mordaunt is a True Blue Tory though, will she now pick up Boris's backers? And if it goes to the membership, could be rinse & repeat for Mr.Rishi.

Leroy42

What was it that persuaded Johnson to fly home? Did he actually think he had a chance and at what point did it become apparent that he didn't?

As Peregrinus points out, he claimed to have reached 100 24 hours ago, yet could not convince anyone else to join him. With the list of 100, how could he not strike a deal with Penny? Maybe that type of negotiation is why he needed up with the disaster of the Brexit deal?

He never had close to 100. This is the party that publicly forced him out only a few months ago. Having supported him through think and thin finally reached the tipping point. One needs to consider just how big a deal that actually was. MP's actually turning their backs on the leader that delivered an 80-seat majority in 2019. Massive. And yet we are to believe that over 100 had forgiven and forgotten?

This is a disaster for Johnson. He would have been better served to have stayed away,. But is arrogance and ego got the better of him. He really does feels he has been robbed of his natural position. While I don't see him going away, I don't see him ever coming back. The spell has been broken. You will always get the likes of Dorries and JRM to support him, but that will never be enough.

"He got all the big decisions right" is the refrain. Well he got this one disastrously wrong.

Quin_Dub

Mordaunt won't get to 100 - The 1922 will be putting pressure on all the undeclared MP's to align with Sunak or simply not align at all.

The absolute last thing they need is to allow the wider Party membership to get involved , it would be a shambles and that's before you start worrying about their ability to hold a secure "digital vote" . Russian hackers would have a field day.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119786040#Comment_119786040

He's a narcissist. He probably thought he could play the returning saviour card and, once that failed, is now pretending to be acting in the national interest, something he's never done in his whole life.

He got none of the covid decisions right. None of them.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119786009#Comment_119786009

A dozen Johnson supporters have switched to Sunak this morning and only one to Mordaunt. Very unlikely she’ll get to 100. Many of the ERG members have already declared for Sunak as well

i actually like Mordaunt. Her background is normal and interesting and she represents the constituency where she grew up. But she’s not right for now. She’d be good during a peaceful stable time, economically and geopolitically, when some of her ideas could rise to the top

Hoop66

If she does get to 100 and gets on the ballot with the members, they'll vote her in. I don't qwhite know what it is, but...

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119785712#Comment_119785712

It all comes down to perspective.

I mean, we could talk about Tony Blair and the illegal war in Iraq - which some estimate to have killed up to 1 million people.

That seems, to me at least, to contrast with Boris having a few drinks at his place of work during lockdown.

See where I'm coming from?

So whilst I'm not saying Boris is perfect, you need to zoom out to see the bigger picture. Does Boris sometimes lie? Yes, but all politicians do that - on both sides of the house.

Hoop66

Is Tony Blair attempting to be re-elected leader of the Labour party? Then I fail to see the relevance of your post.

Shouldn't you be claiming to have always said Rishi was the man for the job by now?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119786143#Comment_119786143

Rishi will be a good PM, to steady the ship.

He'll effectively act as an Asian Tony Blair; a centrist kind of approach that will differ little from Labour (at least on the big issues).

But he wasn't my first preference, as I said before, I don't think it was wise for the CP to depose Boris when they did.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119786143#Comment_119786143

Standard whataboutery. Anyone born in the last year of New Labour is over two thirds of the way towards being of age. They still trot this out.

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119786150#Comment_119786150

Not sure what an "Asian Tony Blair" is other than being obsessed with his ethnicity.

Paragraph 3 is just lies.

Akrasia

Assuming this is a coronation of Sunak now, the party should do everything they can to ensure he has as close to 357 letters backing him as possible

It would be a very bad look if he had less than half of the party supporting him from day 1

Shelga

“Asian Tony Blair” 🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119786233#Comment_119786233

They just can't help but get their little racist digs in.

astrofool

So, who would make ATB's cabinet? African Kenneth Clarke maybe? South American Peter Mandelson and a Scottish Gordon Brown?

Furze99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119786052#Comment_119786052

Why? I'd have thought the Tory membership will also be lobbying MPs so as to allow for their vote. It's a secret ballot and she has the trump card in that she's a True Blue Brit.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119786244#Comment_119786244

It's a figure of speech.

This will be the first PM from Asian stock. That's a good thing, no matter which side of the spectrum you sit.

But in terms of policy and approach, I think its safe to say that it will be a version of Tony Blair and less of the ERG.

ancapailldorcha

These people are f*cking insane:

Boris Johnson ally Jacob Rees-Mogg has branded Rishi Sunak a ‘socialist’ and refused to serve in his cabinet should he become PM.

The Brexit-backing Conservative MP hit out at the former chancellor’s “disloyalty” to the Prime Minister after he resigned last Tuesday. 

This comes after Rees-Mogg appeared to brand Sunak a socialist for high taxes during his time in charge of the government’s pursestrings.

https://www.cityam.com/brexit-opportunities-minister-jacob-rees-mogg-i-would-refuse-to-serve-in-socialist-rishi-sunaks-cabinet/

Nobody voted for this farce. We should be able to have an election. Every day, they get less and less democratic.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119786438#Comment_119786438

Nah, it's yet another disgusting racist comment from you.

Rather than Sunak being a man, an MP or PM in his own right, he's just an Asian equivalent of someone else.

I'm not remotely surprised to be honest. Utterly vile comment.

Panthro

I prefer "dishy Rishi" over "Asian tony Blair" but that's neither here nor there.

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119786457#Comment_119786457

Could have said "A Tory Tony Blair" or just "A Tony Blair type character" , but went with "Asian Tony Blair"

Him being Asian is utterly irrelevant to the context of the post , but somehow it gets added to the mix .

Why is that I wonder?

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119786447#Comment_119786447

Mogg is not one bit insane he just doesn't give a sht what he says.

Its all just a laugh for him.

VinLieger

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119786438#Comment_119786438

No first of all its not a figure of speech, you see we all know enough about you that you consider the title of "Tony Blair" as an insult therefore any name you apply with it is also meant to be a petty addon and another insult. You chose Asian because it is some bigoted dog whistle racism that's is par for the course with you.

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119786435#Comment_119786435

I'm sure the Party membership are gagging for a chance to vote again , but that doesn't mean that the Parliamentary party want to let them.

Neither Sunak or Mordaunt are going to be capable of winning the next General Election but Sunak probably offers the better chance of limiting the damage done.

As I said previously , current polling levels would have the Tories losing 250+ seats at the next election , Sunak potentially offers a path to limiting those losses to under a 100. Mordaunt does not , simple as that.

Those MP's care more about their jobs than they do about the Tory party membership so they will do everything that they can to ensure that there is no vote which risks more of them losing their jobs.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119786474#Comment_119786474

You don't think it's significant the UK is about to appoint its first PM with Asian heritage?

I do. I think it's significant and a step in the right direction.

The Torys have elected 3 women and now 1 PM from Asian stock. Far more diverse than what other parties have managed to achieve.

Danzy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119786498#Comment_119786498

It's not that Labour are against having a woman leader, the majority are also not against a Hindu leading either.

It's just it's activists and their modern interpretation of the left is middle class metropolitans.

It's the same reason that someone from Rochdale or an ex miner would never be picked.

It's a class and values divide.

Ahwell

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119786438#Comment_119786438

It's about as much a figure of speech as "human cargo" was,