January transfer window.

TitianGerm · 02-02-2022 10:07pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118572908#Comment_118572908

They only got relegated in 2020.

~Rebel~ · 02-02-2022 10:46pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118572908#Comment_118572908

This is only his 3rd full season with them, and 2 of those 3 seasons he's been very good.

Sure, it's not an absolute total success of a move, in that it would've been lovely if he arrived at 21 and starting banging in premier league goals immediately, but all in all it's been a good transfer. As a youth buy, he's developed pretty much as they'd have hoped. Doesn't feel like one that can reasonably be used to knock their transfer policy (plenty of others to do that with!).

Agent Coulson · 03-02-2022 12:33pm

Just listening to Football Weekly and they are saying Ramsey has made 50m so far from his move to Juve and Juve are covering most of his 400k a week wages for the loan move.

Since Juve is a public company his wages are public.

Fattybojangles · 03-02-2022 12:45pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118574944#Comment_118574944

Fair play to him he's absolutely rinsed them.

kowloonkev · 03-02-2022 1:20pm

That's why we are seeing more players trying to run down contracts and signing as a free agent rather than being transferred. The power has shifted too far the other way at the top end and it really makes the new generation of superstars unlikeable.

theoneeyedman · 03-02-2022 3:48pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118575187#Comment_118575187

Unlikeable? I dunno about that, far far further removed from fans perhaps, but I don't know about unlikeable, that depends on the player IMHO and how they behave.

If anyone, in this case a player, signs a contract for say 5 years, fulfils that by working hard for the club and not acting the boll1x, then why can anyone complain? They are fulfilling their side of the bargain, perhaps clubs and by extension fans need to recalibrate their expectations of what a contract means. It happens in lots of sports, eg USA Major League clubs of all sports, Rugby etc, but in soccer 'running a contract down ' as it is termed is a no-no..... Shouldn't be that way. Might mean the end of the humongous transfer fees, but they mean Fvck all in the real world anyway, a massive Ponzi scheme.

jacool · 03-02-2022 4:23pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118576280#Comment_118576280

You do know that fans up and down the country will jump on the "fulfils that by working hard for the club" piece, and be able to give examples of players that clearly have not. The reason players like N'Golo Kante stand out is because they do that. I could give you a myriad of players who clearly don't and that's what drives the fans mad.

theoneeyedman · 03-02-2022 9:04pm

Yes, there are plenty of examples as you say, but there are also examples like Wijnaldum at Liverpool who saw out his contract to the end and walked away with a thank you, because he was treated and behaved like an adult. Rather then the exception, this type of thing should be the norm. Instead, what normally happens is there is a war of wills between the club and the Player, where he is frozen out or isolated as the club try to get him to sign a new contract to protect their 'asset'. The power balance has changed surely, but before the Bosman ruling clubs often literally ostricised players and ruined their careers when they wouldn't sign contracts.

Needs a more mature attitude from both sides really.

~Rebel~ · 03-02-2022 9:12pm

Players running down their contract isn't what makes them unlikable. Players not trying is what makes them unlikable. There's nothing wrong with players fulfilling their contract in full.

Fitz* · 03-02-2022 10:33pm

There was that player at Bournemouth a couple seasons ago too who wouldn't player after the pandemic break because he was leaving for a new contract. Refused to play in case he got injured and wrecked his chance of a big pay day. Wouldn't help his teammates in a relegation battle. Real selfish.

Agent Coulson · 03-02-2022 10:37pm

That was Ryan Fraser.

theoneeyedman · 03-02-2022 11:20pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118577994#Comment_118577994

I agree, but the original point was made about players running down their contracts, rather than players not trying.

Not trying is obviously wrong, it does happen, but it happens at different times in the contract cycle, and for all different reason. Clubs acting the clown also happens too, witness Man United with Lingard recently, wouldn't let him leave, and now (allegedly) pushing him away from the 1st team.

~Rebel~ · 03-02-2022 11:22pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118578898#Comment_118578898

Yup, my post was supporting yours in answer to the other chap saying that players running down contracts was making them dislikable.

I agree with you that it's not the act of running down the contract that makes anyone dislikable, it's of some players putting in less effort (unlike, as you said, Wijnaldum, or also Emre Can).

jacool · 04-02-2022 2:12pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118578607#Comment_118578607

Ryan was also the player who refused to ply for Scotland in Kazakhstan over the artificial surface on the chosen pitch.

He will be playing ball longer than Stanley Matthews did.

Fattybojangles · 04-02-2022 3:19pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118581002#Comment_118581002

Indeed football is a short career and one of the main regrets many ex pros have is that they didn't look after themselves better with injuries or weren't more selfish when it came to contracts etc so I can see why he did it though if I were a Bournemouth fan I'd hate him.

Talisman · 04-02-2022 3:24pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118578564#Comment_118578564

Ryan Fraser - Liverpool had shown interest in him previously and he was also linked with Tottenham before the break in the Premier League. He ended up at Newcastle and has hardly be heard of since. He also has a history of declaring himself unfit for Scotland games.

At the end of the 2016/17 season Charlie Taylor refused to play for Leeds because he didn't want to risk getting injured before he left the club on a free transfer.