NFTs and gaming

CatInABox

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119773662#Comment_119773662

Honestly, I'm just surprised that it wasn't Peter Molyneux that tried something like this. "This is more than just an NFT, it is your dog. Owning the NFT confers ownership of the dog, and when you click his nose, an entire new game is AI generated, which he then poops out."

Penn

A true NFT game has finally been revealed

https://twitter.com/katienotopoulos/status/1614623290353487873?t=IF5447PwP-hzWi8N786qVQ&s=19

The explanation of it sounds like an improvised riff from Rick & Morty.

Retr0gamer

So much complication and it's a terrible auto runner.

The humour is so try hard and awful that I wouldn't be surprised if it was AI generated just like the **** ape art.

pixelburp

Feels like they're just openly mocking those who buy into this whole thing; brazenly advertising how the whole edifice is nothing but a big pile of shít and they know it.

Mr Crispy

Ubisoft still haven't received the memo.

https://www.destructoid.com/assassins-creed-nft-line-ubisoft-blockchain/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=assassins-creed-nft-line-ubisoft-blockchain

johnny_ultimate

Can I just say: Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/nfts-worthless-researchers-find-1234828767/amp/

Grumpypants

That is such bad journalism.

NFT that never sold were never worth anything to start with. So saying something that was never worth anything, never sold for any money, is now worthless is kinda dumb.

You should take

Retr0gamer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121139461#Comment_121139461

Web 3.0 me ballox

ancapailldorcha

That's gratifying, I have to say. Always nice to see hucksters get what's coming to them.

pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121139540#Comment_121139540

"...Something that was never worth anything" ... you know that's basically exactly what people have been calling NFTs from the start, right? 🤭

The market is correcting itself, and whether or not these NFTs ever had "value" it's yet another timely kick to the kerb of something only ever, at best, a technical curiousity and at worst, a scam.

McFly85

While NFTs have always been a grift, I always found some proposals around how it’s the future of gaming especially desparate.

The ideas floated around, that you could own an item and then use it in any game, and that to get them in the first place you either have to buy them with proprietary crypto or spend hours mining. Complete nonsense of the highest order, delighted to see these things fall flat.

While the underlying tech may have some actual uses in the future, while crypto and NFTs remain an unregulated cesspit it’s primary goal will always be to part a fool with his money.

Grumpypants

Yeah but the headline is 95% are now worthless. Leaves credence to the idea that that 95% were all worth millions and have tanked. 95% of them were never worth anything.

A tiny sub set, the bored apes, that were never sold as anything other than a members club. And in most cases they were never sold but gifted to celebs. And people joined the club to try and meet snoop dog or something. No one was buying a picture of an ugly monkey thinking it was going to make them rich.

All that happened is 70,000 NFTs were minted at around €200 each and the guys that own the minting companies made a % of that.

It would have been far more interesting if they actually investigated that and who was behind all the endless articles about NFTs making millions when they never made millions it was all a shell game.

But why do some work and write something interesting when you can just write a headline and throw in the same environmental nonsense about using the same power as xyz.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121141563#Comment_121141563

I've no idea what you're trying to say here. We all knew they were nonsense from day one. Anyone daft enough to put down money deserves what they get.

Grumpypants

How is something that was worth nothing being now worth nothing, news??

Only 5% were ever worth anything. The "value" of that 5% has tanked. But that's not a good headline. Saying 95% are worthless is a sensational headline.

It's bad journalism. It's not interesting.

Your NFTs Are Actually — Finally — Totally Worthless

New report from industry researchers finds that 95 percent of the once-hyped crypto assets have hit rock-bottom valuatio

ancapailldorcha

Still don't see a point. Sounds like you don't want people criticising the abject nonsense that is NFT's.

pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121141583#Comment_121141583

Not sure where you're going with this - seems you're more keen to interrogate the reporting that analysing the problem that NFTs have basically been a big marketing grift - and are being found out. "Always worthless items are worthless" isn't news for sure, but it's certainly reality catching up with this big obnoxious balloon.

Penn

If the majority of them were always worthless to begin with, then their value is tied directly to their perceived value rather than being anything of worth.

If their value is based on perception alone, then the ones which sold for large amounts were done so in order to increase the perceived value of NFTs as a whole, whether by getting celebrities involved in promoting them and trading them, or even people trading among themselves to increase the perceived value, make a greater fool think the value of the NFT is rising, and buy it.

Which boils down to what everyone was saying about them all along; they're a scam. They're utterly worthless and the only value in them has been as a greater fool scam where people are convinced to buy utterly worthless items thinking the value of them are going to rise and they will profit off them. The only people to ever profit from NFTs have been the ones who don't have them.

Stuff like copyrights being tied to NFTs are already protected by existing copyright laws, not the fact "It's on the blockchain". Not to mention the numerous cases where NFTs have been stolen by hackers even though "It's on the blockchain".

Utterly, utterly, useless, nonsense, bullsh*t from the very start and anyone who got tied up in it needs to give their head a wobble.

Grumpypants

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121141599#Comment_121141599

That's literally my point. Why not actually investigate the scams?

Who gave out all the free NFTs to celebs to artificially increase their "worth"?

Who Minted NFTs and sold them to themselves for millions to say it was "worth millions"?

Who wrote all the articles saying NFTs are selling/worth millions?

Why is there a "business" that seemingly lost billions but no one cares?

But why do something that takes effort when all you really need to do is appeal to the lowest common denominator?

listermint

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121141715#Comment_121141715

You're writing like someone that has a bunch or NFTs and hopes they are in the 5 percent that aren't a scam .

When all nfts are objectively a scam.

And I'm afraid, there's no kingpin here. Just thousands of people that got on an easy and short lived scam train. Not much investigating to do really.

Many duped, many dupers. Like door to door sales men of old

pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121141715#Comment_121141715

The problem is that we're not going to meet in the middle 'cos fundamentally, the entire concept of NFT is a scam to me. A solution to a problem that never exited, a product serving a market that doesn't require it

Retr0gamer

I wonder what percentage of those nfts are basically dead links now.

Grumpypants

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121141730#Comment_121141730

I've none. I'm more interested in good journalism that I can learn something from.

Here is a good example.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=386p68_lDHA

awec

Blockchain, Web3.0, decentralised, NFTs... remember all of this garbage.

This is, and always has been, one massive grift.

Retr0gamer

Truth

Penn

https://twitter.com/FungersTakingLs/status/1745107704450793975?s=20

You can't even use NFTs as special profile pictures on Twitter any more.

Penn

Musk planning on creating an AI game studio, to make games worth 10% of their value after two years again.

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1861801046949191686

An AI game studio, using the AI trained by Twitter… You don't even need the extra fingers AI gives to count on your fingers why this will be a shambolic mess. Hell if anything you just need to look at his Elden Ring build

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1528955104463814656

johnny_ultimate

Elon Musk, always finding new ways to prove it’s possible to simultaneously be the richest man on Earth and the stupidest man on Earth.

ancapailldorcha

It really does blow my mind that that man was once some kind of innovator. Now he's just an angry incel on political steroids.

Penn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122896724#Comment_122896724

I think it really did just come down to different TV shows/movies referencing him as being some genius (or even him having cameos in them) that propogated that idea of him. Knowing what we now know of him I wouldn't be surprised if he'd been paying to have those cameos in order to create that image of himself.

An AI game made from an AI trained by Musk's Twitter…. I'm guessing that if you work out how to solve a puzzle in a different way than the game wants you to, it'll call you a paedophile.

johnny_ultimate

It’s very straightforward for me - he’s a case study in the stupefying effects of being always online. The perils of posting.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122896774#Comment_122896774

I think he radicalised himself with his own platform. It's the most logical explanation. Like, I watched the Hardy Bucks for the first time just before the pandemic and his name was mentioned. At the time, I thought he was some sort of Zuckerberg-style inventor type in silicon valley. That's all I knew at the time, if that even qualifies as "knowing". The cameos always come across as greasy and desperate. Apparently, the MCU's Iron Man is based on him. The only other one I saw was The Big Bang Theory and, well.. Ugh.

Grumpypants

Ah lads. He made online payments mainstream with PayPal, made EVs main stream with Tesla, made space exploration possible with space x, made global high speed internet possible with starlink, and swung the election for trump. That's a pretty impressive record of positive impacts on the world. If he makes a mediocre game then I think we can let one slide.

Retr0gamer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122914879#Comment_122914879

He already made a mediocre game. He was a coder on the mega CD Cadillacs and Dinosaurs.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122914879#Comment_122914879

A mix of fantasy and nonsense. PayPal didn't make online payments mainstream, EVs have been developed by numerous companies and he made no difference whatsoever to the US election.

Nothing about him is impressive. He's just another bigoted billionaire with racist views and his children despise him. I've no idea why people are so desperate to worship such a creature.

Retr0gamer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122914879#Comment_122914879

Everything mentioned here he was only the money man and any accomplishments were by the engineers at those companies. He never even came up with any of those ideas. Well everything except swinging the election for Trump, although making the world shittier and setting back human progression isn't an achievement. His inane replies on twitter, his desperate attempt to be liked and have people laugh at his awkward attempts at jokes and the transcripts from his court cases paint him as a dullard and a dumbass that is desperate for attention.

Grumpypants

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122914974#Comment_122914974

People used to buy things on eBay and post cheques before PayPal. Tesla is literally the biggest EV manufacturer outside of china. Space X literally caught a booster rocket with robot arms. You don't have to "worship" him to recognise he has been incredibly innovative and successful.

Retr0gamer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122915695#Comment_122915695

But he didn't do any of those things. All of them were others people's ideas and he just stepped in with money. SpaceX is the exception but again it's just a contract NASA, and he had to be bailed out by the US government and get help from NASA for designs that I'd like to add he had no hand in.

I know people in twitter who say a lot of the engineers roles there are to reverse the dumb **** he tries to change in the codebase and do it discreetly.

Penn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122915695#Comment_122915695

He also purposefully lied about his plans for his Cyberloop thing because he didn't want the government funding to go to public transport. He also called a guy a paedophile on Twitter because the guy said Musk's idea for how to rescue the boys trapped in a cave in Thailand wouldn't work.

For every good thing you can attribute to Musk (and for the vast majority of that the real attributes should go to the engineers and scientists who actually make these things happen), you can attribute loads more harmful things to him. Most of his biggest business successes have come from government contracts and just flagrant abuses or disregarding laws because the punitive fines are smaller than the profits.

The man is a numpty of the highest order, and only getting worse as time goes on.

Nobody is denying his companies have been successful. What people can argue is that Musk's contributions to those companies don't lie in the innovation and engineering; they lie in the rich arsehole exploits systems so he profits, while actual innovators, scientists and engineers are the actual brains behind what the companies do.

Retr0gamer

The two remarkable things about him are daddy's emerald mines and getting extremely lucky to be there at PayPal near beginning and profiting off others ideas.

McFly85

What is an AI game studio anyway? The first thing that comes to mind is a company quickly churning out derivative rubbish.

AI is great for getting concepts off the ground by helping with the mundane stuff but it’s never going to know if something is fun, unique or interesting. Most major game engines incorporate AI tools too so it’s not really a USP either.

I don’t know why I’m even trying to decipher it tbh, it sounds like anything like a realistic prospect.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122915695#Comment_122915695

Em… No. Credit and debit cards have existed for decades. Space flight has existed for over half a century and various carmakers are making EVs, cheaper and better than Tesla I might add.

The guy's just a rich fascist who made a few smart financial choices. That's it.

johnny_ultimate

There’s no denying the man has the media / information literacy and emotional intelligence of a 14-year-old 4Chan troll, and the politics to match.

Also, concentrating that much wealth and power in the hands of one man is never a ‘good thing’. I’d question how much he actually tipped the scales of the election, but using a blank cheque and ownership of a major social media platform to even try to influence a democratic election outcome isn’t a positive achievement - it’s oligarchy. In a just and better world, nobody would ever come remotely close to amassing that level of personal wealth.

Grumpypants

In the early 2000's Paypal handled 20-25% of all online payments - That's big and changed how people shopped online.

Telsa has 56% market share of the US EV market. - That's Big and changed how people bought EVs (and how every other company started making them).

Space X has 65% of the market share. Again, it's very big and changed how we get things into space and now with re-usable boosters that's only going to grow.

You can not like him, but you can't deny that he hasn't had a positive impact. I don't particularly like Steve Jobs or Bill Gates but to write off their impact on the world as just the marketing/money men would be daft.

Retr0gamer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122916261#Comment_122916261

But Bill Gates and Steve Jobs were actual engineers that did engineering and both didn't have daddies with emerald mines.

At PayPal Elon was brought on because he was a useful idiot with money. It wasn't his idea. It he didn't build it. Tesla again needed money and he was their useful idiot while the engineers designed and built the cars.

SpaceX was a disaster until it got propped up by US taxpayer money and got expertise from NASA.

Name one thing at those companies that he contributed to in a creative role. Bill Gates and Steve Jobs at least had talent and created stuff before they got into leadership positions.

johnny_ultimate

Also, while EVs are ‘better’ than gas guzzling alternatives, they’re solving the wrong problem. The actual solution is clean, accessible public transport. Electric cars and pick-up trucks - especially in Tesla’s world - continue to be small, personal vehicles, which demand an immense amount of resources to build and run relative to the what can be achieved via mass transport alternatives.

Musk has actively worked to sabotage rail projects, and Hyperloop - even if it worked - was extremely inefficient compared to traditional public transport. So in many respects he has done substantial harm when it comes to long-term environmental sustainability, even relative to the modest benefits of electric vs fossil fuels. That’s not even getting into the fact he’s about to join an administration that will do untold harm to the environment. Or, for that matter and to bring it back on topic, his support for resource-intensive AI, which is an environmental disaster.

Penn

He also repeatedly stole posts from Hard Drive and posted them on his own account without credit. That alone should prove he's not deserving of any praise.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122916261#Comment_122916261

No, it didn't. Amazon changed how people shop online. Ebay was a fad and nothing more.

Tesla did not invent the electric car. Those have been in development for some time.

SpaceX subsists on government subsidies. I'm not seeing anything but corruption here. Musk did not of the engineering so I don't see what I am supposed to be impressed by here.

He took a monopoly in the form of Twitter and ran it into the ground. Nobody knew what BlueSky was until a few months ago.

He's a cancer of a human being. He's contributed nothing positive to the world and even his own children hate him. Gates and Jobs revolutionised their fields with skill, savvy and good instincts. Musk had a daddy with an emerald mine. Not remotely the same thing.

Retr0gamer

He's also most likely one of Epstein's nonce pals.

Grumpypants

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122916344#Comment_122916344

eBay is a 25+ year fad 😂.

I didn't say Tesla invented EVs. I said he made EVs mainstream by making mass production of affordable electric cars a reality. If loads of others are doing it why didn't they drive the market?

Bill Gates mammy got him the IBM contract that got him going. I'm still not going to say he wasn't influential for the world.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122916436#Comment_122916436

Who is using ebay, exactly? It's VHS in the world of streaming.

You can say he mainstreamed EVs all you want but it's patently false. Major carmakers saw the way the wind was blowing some time ago and started developing EVs as they knew it was that or oblivion.

Gates created Windows. Musk created nothing but safe spaces for fascists and racists. That's quite a difference.