Rose Of Tralee now accepting trans applicants (Threadbanned List in OP)

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118393765#Comment_118393765

Lol. Sure we even had a pretend one of those in here too.

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118393750#Comment_118393750

Blah blah blah... penises. Thats the argument basically.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SzRff7kWadc

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118393514#Comment_118393514

Yeah, post history. Of course.

Still haven't commented on the actual post though, which I guess is not going to happen, so we leave this here.

Dyr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118393757#Comment_118393757

All the rest are banned or had their posts deleted, you may recieve a suprise if you step outside this echo chamber 😂

In shocking genderphobic news, 75 per cent of Americans believe that there are only two genders.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/dec/30/75-of-americans-believe-in-only-two-genders-male-a/

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118393916#Comment_118393916

The 10ish included those who were threadbanned. The vast majority of Irish people really dont care. There isnt a silent majority of opposition to it.

Jequ0n

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118393902#Comment_118393902

I commented on the thread earlier on, then gave up because it was obviously just a tit for tat between the same people who clash all the time and seem to be throwing the same arguments at each other.

But sure, I’ll leave you to your repetitive game.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118393916#Comment_118393916

56% of Americans believe there's a magical all-loving man in the sky who will strike you down if you don't pay him enough money, what's your point?

km991148

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118393916#Comment_118393916

I don't think that's in any way a surprise? Most people (trans and cis) identify as one of the binary genders.

km991148

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118394066#Comment_118394066

You are right! Yes that's it, trans people deserve no support because of your gotcha. Language of 50 years ago not in alignment with the language of today as well as even less awareness back then means we should keep it that way...

Where do you want to go now? A protracted debate on modern day crossdressers and the trans umbrella? How about bathrooms? Or do we want to go back to genitals? I feel we didn't talk about penises enough.

Dyr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118393965#Comment_118393965

You'll be posting proof of that, of course.

"The 10ish included those who were threadbanned. The vast majority of Irish people really dont care. There isnt a silent majority of opposition to it."

LOL still hoping your curated echo chamber is reality. If Irish people were polled I think you'd find attitudes that are remarkably similar to our pals in the US. And they'd all be banned from here by the curators 😂😂

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118394066#Comment_118394066

Eh Rivera was very much so trans, Johnson is viewed as more uncertain. The term transgender wasn't in common usage at the time as stated in the article...

km991148

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118394108#Comment_118394108

What are those attitudes? What is your point? Are you claiming that most Irish people think there would only be two genders? I think if you polled Ireland then yeah you would get about a majority 2/3 - 3/4 thinking that. Why would you think it's different? Non binary gender is probably one of the least understood concepts regarding gender, probably even among trans people as most trans people would be wanting to identify as one of two binary genders.

Unless you meant something else? You were saying something about echo chambers?

Dyr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118394058#Comment_118394058

Most people don't "identify" as their gender 😂

km991148

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118394128#Comment_118394128

Lol ok then so they "don't identify" as any gender?

Of course everyone does to some degree. I know you are making a point over the word identify but what else would you say?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118394108#Comment_118394108

Sure

https://www.livingfacts.org/en/facts/faith/2019/02/90-percent-of-us-adults-say-they-believe-in-god-or-a-higher-power

not that it makes any difference, my point is the same: I'm not so easily led that I'm going to change my belief just because of that 75% of Americans think, and I hope the RoT aren't either.

(The rest of your post I think was aimed at someone else, but just to say: if you think they were banned because they exposed a set viewpoint respectfully and diligently, then YOU'LL be posting proof of THAT, of course....?)

Dyr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118394140#Comment_118394140

"Americans believe there's a magical all-loving man in the sky who will strike you down if you don't pay him enough money,"

Thats your quote, you haven't backed it up.

Speaking of mad beliefs, Catholics believe that the host is turned into the flesh of christ, that's easily disproven via a simple analysis that shows the host contains no male human DNA. There's other, equally fanciful, claims of transubstantiation out there, also easily disproven via DNA analysis. I do agree with you, it's truly amazing the silly stuff that people will believe 😂

AllForIt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118393099#Comment_118393099

This is 100% untruths.

Have you seen the Netfilix documentary on Martha P. Johnson. This person was clearly a homosexual transvestite and wasn't trans at all.

Both Johnson and Rivera where homosexuals regardless of what else they were. So even if they were 'trans' which they weren't, the reason they were part of the NY gay social scene was primarily because they were gay which is why they frequented gay bars, for the very same reason any gay person goes to a gay bar which is essentially to have sexual relations with men. What else would they exit for if not that.

Not only is there is no evidence, no matter what they were, that they 'led' the gay rights movement, they were both unemployed, Rivera lived in homeless shack on the side of a road, and they idea they could lead anything is laughable. They couldn't manage their own lives no mind lead a political movement. Both of them clearly had personality disorders that affected their lives negativity that prevented them leading normal working lives.

The T in LGBT back then was T for Transsexual/Transvestite, not Transgender, which is a different thing altogether. But now it seems these kinds of people are claiming to be 'Transgender' and the terms Transsexual and Transvestites are no longer in common usage, precisely to take away the sexual element to their character but to explain it away as a born in the wrong body. Absolute nonsense.

You have posted this same nonsense several times on this forum and every time I see it I'm going to pull you up on it. edit: to give you some respect I think you believe what our saying, but I think your're totally ill informed on this issue due to you lack of personal experience in this area and the lies you read in American publications.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118394224#Comment_118394224

That's what Biblical God means. Id ask you to publish prrof of your quote, but I'd much rather you tell me why exactly are you posting what large groups of people believe?

km991148

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118394231#Comment_118394231

And we get the same nonsense rebuttal each time now...

Including rewriting history and using modern terminology to judge the past.

AllForIt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118394247#Comment_118394247

The difference between you and me is I have lived on the gay scene and I my experiences to go on. I know what kind of people are out there. I know what they're about, and I've never per se criticized them for it.

I won't tolerate people who are clueless in this area speaking down to me like you do as if you know better.

If you know better then prove me wrong. An American based revision of erasure of black and trans people from the gay rights movement won't do. You need to give some evidence, some personal insight, that backs up those claims.

Go ahead, I'm all ears...

km991148

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118394302#Comment_118394302

You make a lot of assumptions about me and my lack of experience on whatever scene. I'm sorry do I need to go into details of who I am and where I socialise and for how long just to point out that you too repeat yourself with regards to that rebuttal?

It shouldn't matter how trans or gay I am to point out the obvious holes in your use of language. How can you judge someone in the past based on modern terminology? How do you know what opportunities would have been afforded to someone from then living now etc.

Strumms

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118386704#Comment_118386704

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AllForIt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118394345#Comment_118394345

Yeah, I am making assumptions about you lack on insight because you don't say anything that shows you have any.

It shouldn't matter how trans or gay I am to point out the obvious holes in your use of language. How can you judge someone in the past based on modern terminology? How do you know what opportunities would have been afforded to someone from then living now etc.

Erm no I didn't say you have to be gay to have insight, I just said you don't have any insight on this issue from you personal experiences since you haven't pointed out the 'holes' in my pov.

You've done noting to counter my arguments cept to say i'm talking nonsense. I'm sure there are many heterosexuals who would have insight on what I'm saying as regards transsexuals and transvestites that fully get what I'm saying. Heterosexual psychologists for a start. You don't seem to have a clue about any of this otherwise you might have bothered to point out the 'holes' in my argument which you haven't even attempted to do.

Strumms

What about people identifying as ‘gender fluid’… could they appear identifying as a geezer for a certain part, say to sing a song, then when interviewed appear in a wig and frock…?

I’m not trying to make light of it just highlighting that if there isn’t strict criteria…..becomes a free for all….

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118394572#Comment_118394572

They change a couple of rules and suddenly there "isn't strict criteria"...?

Isn't that similar to the "if they let men marry other men they'll want to marry dogs or trees next", "If you let women vote, soon they'll want to be doctors"...?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118393747#Comment_118393747

I would rephrase the question as, "Why is it acceptable for the Rose of Tralee to be a biological male?".

When phrased like this, we can see exactly what the problem is.

km991148

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118394992#Comment_118394992

Oh I can see the problem all right, just don't pretend it's respectful.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118394992#Comment_118394992

Different question entirely - unless you're saying that all biological males are transwomen.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118394992#Comment_118394992

Nope.

It's still down to your obsession with penises.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118395060#Comment_118395060

If biological reality is just a casual inconvenience to you, then fine. That's your right to believe, I think otherwise.

To push this argument to the extreme, it's possible to conceive of a Rose of Tralee where the only participants were biological males - who identified as women. No surgery required. If one can enter the competition, we can conceive of a competition were all were self-identified trans women.

Now, I'm not for 1 second saying this will happen, or is likely to happen, I'm simply pushing the argument to its limit.

If the above were to happen, in this hypothetical scenario, would that be acceptable to you?