2022 In Between Grand Slam Thread

Girly Gal

It's a pity it looks like he'll miss out, from a purely tennis point of view the tournament will be the lesser for his absence, however, he did know from a long way out that he ran the risk of missing out by not getting vaccinated, he could well have not gotten the exemption in the first place.

Girly Gal

Girly Gal

Jan 7, 2022

It's a pity it looks like he'll miss out, from a purely tennis point of view the tournament will be the lesser for his absence, however, he did know from a long way out that he ran the risk of missing out by not getting vaccinated, he could well have not gotten the exemption in the first place.

Sure he would have given Craig Tiley a big wad of cash to get it over the line if necessary - it would never get out - he only has his whole career legacy to lose - he would think nothing of it!

But instead he, and others for some reason decided to trust a joint Tennis Australia / Victoria State Government process that was put in place, one that was also openly backed by the Prime Minister of Australia - what could possibly go wrong...?

yerwanthere123

It baffles me that the players/their teams seemingly relied solely on Craig Tiley/Tennis Australia to get the go ahead to travel. Surely you'd want to see the permission directly in writing from an official government source? Particularly in light of how strict everyone knows Australia have been about letting people into the country throughout the pandemic? I mean of course Tennis Australia should be a reliable source, but surely someone would double and triple check these things? Strange all round.

The State Government were involved in approving things also.

The Federal Government openly voiced support for the process.

Mis-communication and laziness (not many people like reading turgid documents with clauses and lots of abbreviations) is the simplest and most obvious answer.

"Quick scan, be grand".....

Girly Gal

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Jan 7, 2022

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118435610#Comment_118435610

Sure he would have given Craig Tiley a big wad of cash to get it over the line if necessary - it would never get out - he only has his whole career legacy to lose - he would think nothing of it!

But instead he, and others for some reason decided to trust a joint Tennis Australia / Victoria State Government process that was put in place, one that was also openly backed by the Prime Minister of Australia - what could possibly go wrong...?

My point was he ran the risk of being refused an exemption in the first place as happened to others. Not sure why you're on about a wad of cash, are you insinuating that Djokovic could have bribed someone?

Girly Gal

Girly Gal

Jan 7, 2022

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118435957#Comment_118435957

My point was he ran the risk of being refused an exemption in the first place as happened to others. Not sure why you're on about a wad of cash, are you insinuating that Djokovic could have bribed someone?

might be an ironic reference to something that someone else might have said!

the people applying would have to have been given some idea of the criteria would be a pretty obvious thing I would say.

Girly Gal

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Jan 7, 2022

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118436282#Comment_118436282

might be an ironic reference to something that someone else might have said!

the people applying would have to have been given some idea of the criteria would be a pretty obvious thing I would say.

Knowing the criteria and meeting it are two different things and can be interpreted differently, so there was no guarantee that he would meet the criteria, he left himself in a vulnerable position, it was basically out of his control. Look there's obviously been a major F up on the Australians side of things, and looks like thay are making an example of him, but, there was a more straightforward and easier option available to him

whiterebel

It seems from the letter dated 29/11 that the fault lies with Tiley. Novax then announcing it to the world sparked the subsequent furore.

Girly Gal

Girly Gal

Jan 7, 2022

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118436296#Comment_118436296

Knowing the criteria and meeting it are two different things and can be interpreted differently, so there was no guarantee that he would meet the criteria, he left himself in a vulnerable position, it was basically out of his control. Look there's obviously been a major F up on the Australians side of things, and looks like thay are making an example of him, but, there was a more straightforward and easier option available to him

I guess he was fairly confident of meeting the criteria for the exemption.

Girly Gal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118436868#Comment_118436868

Can never be too sure of these things, circumstances can change as he is finding out now

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118437173#Comment_118437173

but that is nothing to do with Djokovic, or the other "exemptee" players for how it turned out.

it's all on the Australians.

They were told that they met the criteria, got their exemption AND visa and were told that they were all good to go.

yerwanthere123

If only there was something Novak could've done to avoid this unfortunate situation 😞

Bribed someone maybe?

😂

nah, it's

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118436658#Comment_118436658

Sure, sure.

It's all Tiley's fault.

https://twitter.com/samstreetwrites/status/1479555404640231425?t=sLU02VVKysPd6qVre1giWw&s=19

yerwanthere123

😂

Ah cheer up. Who knows, maybe it'll swing in his favour and he'll somehow end up playing after all. Now that'd be interesting if it happened.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118437353#Comment_118437353

New Wildcard Entry

Novaques Chocoviche

https://imgur.com/cfTXbRl

yerwanthere123

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118422188#Comment_118422188

Shock horror, I called Osaka correctly. Kudermetova gets a walkover to the final.

Floppybits

Hmm looks like Djokovic side had everything in order and f- up is on the Australians.

https://news.sky.com/story/novak-djokovic-court-application-shows-he-tested-positive-for-coronavirus-on-16-december-as-he-fights-deportation-12511427

josip

If this bit is being accurately reported, then it's something I wasn't aware of before:

"The application says he received a document from the Department of Home Affairs on 1 January telling him he met the requirements for quarantine-free travel into Australia."

Up to now, I'd thought he'd only been given clearance by the Victorian State Government.

josip

Also, Djokovic hasn't traveled on a regular passport for 10 years.

https://www.daviscup.com/en/news/articles/serbian-team-receives-diplomatic-passports.aspx

So technically, this is also a diplomatic incident between Australia and Serbia. 🙃

(Unrelated) If anyone wants some light reading:

https://www.fcfcoa.gov.au/migration-law/online-file/djokovic

whiterebel

The lawyer couldn't be that thick, shirley?

So, it's clear now that the "stories" put out by the Australians that he had the wrong visa and then that they didn't believe his proof for exemption and even that he was lying were surprise surprise, complete horseshit

He applied for his visa on 18th November.

The deadline for exemption applications was 10th December.

Yet he apparently tested positive on 16th December. How can an application based on a prior covid infection be valid if he got covid after the fact?

On 17th December, when he was supposedly covid positive, he attended an event for young players where he handed out awards and posed for photos. Maskless, of course.

He's either lying about having covid in order to enter Australia, or he's an irresponsible d**k who was happy to spread it around to anybody he came in contact with. Both are a bad look for him.

whiterebel

Deadline date was the 10th December. If he had a COVID test on the 16th, he was too late anyway. All seems very suspicious, apparently he was out and about on the 14th, and 16th in public with no mask. Going to be hard for an Australian court to rule against all this, particularly since they have now kicked Voracova out for the same thing.

Xander10

Send him home, end the circus and just get on with it without him.

yerwanthere123

https://twitter.com/BenRothenberg/status/1479730371679850500

https://twitter.com/BenRothenberg/status/1479731802302410755

https://twitter.com/BenRothenberg/status/1479732736952786947

https://twitter.com/BenRothenberg/status/1479737150967107586

https://twitter.com/BenRothenberg/status/1479756073229701120

https://twitter.com/BenRothenberg/status/1479756655462023171

Must have got a deadline extension then if that's the test he's relying on?

Can happen with deadlines.

It is unclear from the court filings if December 16 is the date the PCR test was administered, or when Djokovic got his results back.

He met the Australian requirements as were communicated - doubt that will make any difference with the judge on Monday somehow in any case

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118438783#Comment_118438783

Not at the time he applied for his visa he didn't. That was in November.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118438791#Comment_118438791

and what does that entail?

just apply for a visa online normally.

normally you state your passport number, details etc - you don't have to submit anything else at that point. or that you had Covid or not.

someone on his team would apply for a visa online even if he would be going eventually or not.

you can and will be checked for meeting the country requirements on arrival - where it came to a head obviously

Girly Gal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118438756#Comment_118438756

If that timeline is true regarding application deadline and positive test, then his medical exemption should be null and void as he tested positive after the application deadline. It really does look as if the medical exemption process was not fit for purpose, if the above is true, it's no wonder he was stopped at the border as that exemption looks like it's not worth the paper it's written on and wouldn't stand up to much scrutiny. Still with the way this is going wouldn't be surprised if he does manage to get in, it's a pure and utter shambles on both sides.