2022 In Between Grand Slam Thread

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118447241#Comment_118447241

from the bbc reading does seem like, so far, that the judge is agreeing with important bits of what the defence says

they put him under pressure and didn't give a reason for why they were cancelling the visa

redlad12

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118447260#Comment_118447260

Yeah seems like it , although maybe there'll be some legal stuff later that prevents the judge siding with him. I'm sure we will know by morning!

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118447263#Comment_118447263

yeah, will check back in the morning.

whatever happens, I think that given the circumstances, that Djokovic is right to be giving it a go instead of just rolling over on this.

would be total box office if he made a court

It would be full on "Rocky 4"

(where Rocky fights in hostile territory over in Russia)

redlad12

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118447270#Comment_118447270

Yeah I don't blame him for fighting it considering they let him travel over. I'd also rather if they let him play , it would be a lot better for the tournament. Would have medvedev as slight favourite, especially considering djokovics preparation 😂

whiterebel

Djokovic has won the case.

josip

Maybe with a name like Tony Kelly we shouldn't be so surprised with the decision 🙂

Now, will the Immigration Minister follow through and deport him for 3 years?

walshb

Common sense prevails!

Nadal and Federer gutted!

gmisk

As predicted Djokovic has won case.

But....and it's a big but...he tested positive and had his results on the 16th...but still went events on the 17th unmasked etc..classy

sydthebeat

Novax about to be arrested

Girly Gal

Had a feeling he would win the appeal, unless something else happens to prevent him taking part in AO I think he'll go on and win it now. The tournament will be all the better with him in it, regardless of people's views on him and whether he should be there or not.

The Australians literally cannot do anything right it seems as the court rules for him.

That snotty weasel Morrison's political capital generation exercise has backfired spectacularly.

If the Australians cancel his visa again now surely their credibility is shot.

they have arrested him now...

Or he hasn't been arrested?

Confusing reports

cmac2009

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118447829#Comment_118447829

Reports from where? Twitter?

redlad12

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118447829#Comment_118447829

What's your take on him getting his test results on the 16th? I have faith in you Glasso! Not the lunatics over in the after Hours thread. Tbf the tournament will be better for him in it , always good to have a villain in sport!

Floppybits

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118447939#Comment_118447939

Sky news were reporting it. Then again it is coming from Djokovic's father so god knows if it is true or not.

gmisk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118447969#Comment_118447969

His dad spouts absolute nonsense so I wouldn't believe a word from him.

Didn't he compare him to jesus?

whiterebel

All very strange. Reading the report the judge seemed to have made his mind up when he heard ND was only given 20 minutes to explain why his visa wasn't in order, which is fair enough. Didn't pay any heed to how the test was after the entry date or the fact that International travellers can't claim an exemption on having had covid.

josip

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118447985#Comment_118447985

It was Christmas eve, and he got it mixed up with Easter. We can give him a pass on that one 🙂

An awful lot of people criticising Djokovic because his father talks without thinking. Some lump in his mother in that category too, but she's always been more considered in what she says. But give me a pair of parents like that any day, who are proud of their child and will come out and bat for them regardless.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118447956#Comment_118447956

not a good look

he'll have to address it

the biddies will be out with pitchforks long before that!

I've seen 8pm on the 16th mentioned in the court docs but is that 100% when he got the result I don't know - let's see what comes out on it when the foaming at the mouth subsides

Are the Australians 100% not going to try to kick him out still I wonder?

If he plays there will be some interest.

Hardly the "ideal preparation"

Royale with Cheese

They have another 5 minutes to cancel his visa if they want to according to the BBC.

redlad12

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118448051#Comment_118448051

He still had the event on the 18th to be fair so not a good look, it says the results were in on the evening of the 16th. Jaysis it would be some story if they tried at this stage , I doubt they will , surely they'd look terrible.

redlad12

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118448051#Comment_118448051

I don't think he will address it, I'd be surprised anyway! Probably better off not addressing it, if it's as it seems it is

josip

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118448064#Comment_118448064

That deadline was to cancel before freeing him from detention.

They can still cancel his visa at any time in the coming days/weeks. They said they won't decide today. Before they decide, the govt's market research people will be trying to gauge what will be the political fallout of acting/not acting.

I wonder if ScoMo would still have decided to kick Djokovic out last week if he'd known that his decision would lead to police pepper spraying crowds in Melbourne. (I'm not saying the police weren't right to use pepper spray, just that it's nuts that the situation arose in the first place)

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118448112#Comment_118448112

Apparently  the judge has stated that the Immigration Minister can cancel Djokovic's visa "upon a personal exercise of cancellation", however if that were to occur, he cannot return to this country for three years.

That's adds a bit more to the situation if the Australians want to roll the dice again....

(if that's true - some comment that the 3 years could be waived)

At this stage though will it make it even worse for them if then just cancel it?

How much of a "Democratic" nation would they look then?

josip

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118448174#Comment_118448174

Yes, if anything I think the 3 year angle works in Djokovic's favour rather than against him, since it will make the Australians more reluctant to invoke it.

They still might, but I think even some of the forkers would consider that to be excessive.

Important to note that with the Federal State of Australia having been judged to have illegally cancelled Djokovic's visa that he was using for the Australian Open Grand Slam, that

Djokovic is still undefeated by the Fed at a grand slam since 2012 Wimbledon.

Kyrgios has covid

Some suggestions that the Australians are pressuring Djokovic behind the scenes to "just leave" or "we'll hit you with the 3 year ban"

Augme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118448495#Comment_118448495

He's too stupid to fall for that bluff. Australians cancelling his visa for three years would be a worldwide PR disaster. There'd have to be serious repressions for Tennis Australia in that case too.

I don't think that Djokovic would really risk faking a test but this is quite good nevertheless if you get the references.

Djokovic has been training already today on a court apparently.

Seems unlikely now that the Aussies would "take the nuclear option"

Rjd2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118447546#Comment_118447546

Yeah the way its been handled I do think he probably should be allowed to stay but the fact it seems he knew he had covid and then went to events next few days especially the children foundation one is really poor.

I would never blame a lad who is living pay cheque to pay cheque for breaking the isolation rules as heck I don't know if I would do the same if rent was due etc,,,,but he didn't even make a token attempt at self isolation, that's awful.

josip

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118449433#Comment_118449433

I think we're all agreed that he didn't need the money (not that there was any).

So why did he go to the Belgrade Tennis Association awards?

Royale with Cheese

I wouldn't be surprised to see him win it now. I wouldn't pay too much attention to his lack of prep time because of this, week one of pretty much any slam is a training session to him. Part of me would almost like to see him do it to give two fingers to the Australian government.

Rjd2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118449607#Comment_118449607

their is no excuse.

I think its 14 days of isolation in Serbia so while I might had a little pity if on day 11 he said "**** this I need to get out of the house"...he did not even make a token attempt to isolate and the next day went about his business without a care in the world.

That's dire.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118449855#Comment_118449855

He'll should address the movements of the 17th and 18th and when he got the result from the lab (the test was completed at 8pm in the evening of the 16th)

He was being pcr tested routinely people have claimed (not sure of source)

But as I posted on another thread earlier on about that Tennis awards picture

If it was a case of either wanting to believe either of (deliberately extreme in the case of option 1)

1. He spat into the mouth of each child as they arrived and left or
2. He nipped into the back behind a group for a quick snap

There are those who will go for option 1 and those who go for option 2 and that was already pre-decided

Of course he should be isolating if he knew that he was positive

For the photo shoot on the 18th he did a short interview with masks on L'Equipe have said and some photos with no mask on

He tested negative on Dec 22

He was spotted on Dec 25, 9 days after positive test in a garden restricted to residents of his apartment complex

If you test negative 6 days or more after your positive test you can reduce your isolation time in most countries

josip

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118449855#Comment_118449855

I'm not making excuses for what he did, there' s a circle that's impossible to square here. It's either that he knew he wasn't actually positive or he thought there wasn't anything wrong with what he did. My suspicion is the former, but we'll never know that.

But what nobody has asked in the midst of all the opprobrium is why did he go to the Belgrade Tennis Association awards? What did he have to gain from going to them? Money, titles? Or is it a question that the reactionaries would rather not consider.

News reports saying that the Australians will make a decision on whether or not to deport him anyway tomorrow Tuesday

jacool

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118448043#Comment_118448043

The mother who said that her son had been "subject to torture and harassment" during his stay! More considered - emm.

josip

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118450342#Comment_118450342

It is considered compared to what Srdjan comes out with 😀

And the harassment isn't incorrect when you consider what he's had to go through having gone there to play tennis. Having to watch Nigel Farage barge his way into your personal crisis and you're helpless to stop it, that would be tantamount to torture.

walshb

I tell ya one thing, whether you're pro vaccine or anti vaccine or pro Nole or anti Nole or pro Serbia or anti Serbia or pro Australia or anti Australia....you cannot but admire the man's resiliency and fortitude and unwavering belief...

Go and win number 21, Nole!!!!!!

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118450172#Comment_118450172

I'm not making excuses for what he did, there' s a circle that's impossible to square here.

It's either that he knew he wasn't actually positive or he thought there wasn't anything wrong with what he did. My suspicion is the former, but we'll never know that.

there is a cloud over this aspect for sure

there is no getting around it

surely will have to be addressed by Djokovic at some point - he will be asked about surely and will have to say something

still not sure if he will be playing if the Australians "go nuclear" tomorrow

but 3 years would be excessive and damage the tournament, far worse than it is at the moment.

but that would make Djokovic a complete martyr really and go worse for the Australians imo

(wouldn't like to be an Australian in Serbia if that happened!)

either way they cocked up the whole process internally and booting out Djokovic now isn't going to redeem much for them

but of course any decision will be taken purely on the basis of the politicians' self-interest

yerwanthere123

Was this not posted on here today?

https://twitter.com/BenRothenberg/status/1480448426332413953

At this stage you'd kinda hope the test is fake and he wasn't mixing with all those kids maskless after testing positive.

discussed in last couple of pages

yerwanthere123

Djokovic family press conference today

https://twitter.com/diekarasu/status/1480543612047740930

Girly Gal

So how long does the immigration minister have to deport Djokovic, does he have to make a decision within a certain timeframe, e.g. by the end of this week or could he send Djokovic home during the tournament, e.g. day before the final.

I honestly can't see them sending him home now as it would only make this fiasco worse, if that's even possible.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118451607#Comment_118451607

News reports are that a decision will be communicated tomorrow (Tuesday).

So should be known by tomorrow morning Irish time I would say.

In reality it won't be the immigration minister making a decision - it will be the PM Scott Morrison telling him what to do.

I didn't think that they would send him home because there is normally a "no return for 3 years" policy on being deported.

But apparently they could maybe send him home and not insist on that 3 year period.

It will be a politically motivated decision - just like the start of this debacle.

The Aussies like to think that they are real "hardballers" so who knows what will be the outcome.

But I suppose that even if he's just "banished" for a year that it will make Djokovic a bit of a martyr - for Serbians anyway.

josip

Interesting fact of the day: Scott Morrison and Alex Hawke (Immigration Minister) are both members of the controversial Hillsong Church.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118452112#Comment_118452112

Alex Hawke has quite a nice-guy history

https://www.sbs.com.au/language/english/melbourne-woman-faces-deportation-due-to-her-intellectual-disability

josip

SMH poll is 60-37 in favour of Djokovic being let play. If it's representative, then it's hard to see Hawke-ScoMo choosing to deport him.

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/tennis/djokovic-case-shows-morrison-government-has-lost-all-perspective-20220111-p59na9.html

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118452677#Comment_118452677

that poll has probably been gamed by Serbians tho lol

The Australian politicians would probably do it out of spite alone at this point because Djokovic didn't roll over like a good little Tennis player who the Aussie gubbermint were going to show who is boss and demonstrate to the electorate how much of tough guys they were by cancelling him out of "their" big tournament and shipping him off home smooth and pronto last week with his tail between his legs!

whiterebel

That presser may open a whole new can of worms now.