Nissan Note e-power

...Ghost...

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119613828#Comment_119613828

Easy to see you didn't finish school. Pulling facts out of yer @rse, linking youtube sources that go against the manufacturers own claims and failing to put together a real rebuttal. Your claims are all old debunked sh!te and your response to me flushing your claims down the toilet by giving you actual facts and real life experience is to claim the facts are old, ignore them completely or to make a very odd statement about my higher level of education as some sort of insult 😂

Do you park your Dacia under the bridge too?

DaveyDave

Not quite sure how California's electricity is relevant in Ireland where we night rates at 8-12c/kWh...

This is is a comical thread!

liamog

Mod Note: Can we stick to the principal of attack the post not the poster. Warning issued.

AnF Chuckie egg

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119614066#Comment_119614066

It's comical how people will not acknowledge the cost of charging an EV.

Cheapest night rate electric in Ireland from 1/10/2022 is 16 cent/kwh

Add on for the fact that you are on a hopeless rate for Daytime, then charging losses of at least 10%-15% and you are up to the 25c/kwH that I stated.

Look here for the cost of electric vehicle charging options in Europe https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-022-32835-7 and you will see that EV charging from a low to medium Watt charger is costing 25c/Kwh

Miscreant

How about that Nissan Note e-power eh? Anyone got any opinions on it?

mailforkev

I’ve seen some unusual threads on here over the years but a Nissan Note must be one of the stranger hills to choose to die on.

I pay under 8c per unit to charge my car and will do so until September next year. A nice relaxing 100kms costs me roughly €1.25.

...Ghost...

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119614302#Comment_119614302

I'd rather drive a Dacia to be honest

...Ghost...

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119614221#Comment_119614221

Your figures just don't stack up, like most of what you have posted on here. If you have to stretch real figures by as much as you have, then your credibility (if you had any to begin with) is wiped. My own night rate is less than 15c or 16c from Oct 1st. My rate is not the cheapest. My day rate is about an extra cent per kWh, but my consumption of each is about the same. I use a lot of energy at my HH and the PSO increase for night rate is a pittance. Even without an EV, night rate makes way more sense, so having the EV and night rate is not even an argument to hash out, it's a bonus that saves me more money.

AnF Chuckie egg

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119614543#Comment_119614543

You keep saying my figues don't stack up but I can only quote what's out there. Its 16c nightsaver for each kwh. A kwh through the ESB meter does not end up as a kwh into the Battery, it's more like 0.85kwh. Again add on the Electric higher rate charges etc and you are up to 25c/kwh

Back to my original statement from the very beginning that the Nissan Note power e doesn't cost anymore than an EV to run, if anything it costs less.

2.7L/100klm costs €4.95 with petrol @ €1.84 for the Note

16kwh/100klm costs €4 and that's being generous on the mileage for an EV

So as long as Petrol stays above the €1.55 and the nightsaver Electric doesn't rise anymore then you will be "saving" as you say.

For me that's not enough of a saving to justify the high price of the EV and the fact that Petrol prices will not stay inflated forever, the range anxiety from driving an EV and how impractical it is for people in Apartments or the Homeless

DaveyDave

Up until recently Energia's night rate was 7.9c. A car doing an achievable 18kWh/100km including 10% charge losses will cost €1.596 to do 100km. My petrol Golf getting 6.5L would cost €12.28 to do the same journey. Even at my current 24hr rate of 28c it costs €5.54 for electric and charge losses. Nowhere near the cost of petrol and that's without night rates.

But all that is falling on deaf ears for some reason...

AnF Chuckie egg

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119614648#Comment_119614648

We are not talking about a petrol Golf. Take a moment to read the thread title.

...Ghost...

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119614637#Comment_119614637

I keep saying it, because it still hasn't gotten through your head.

Your maths looks like this: (16c + 15% + ??? = 25c) - (imaginary low range - future price increases = made up stuff) = I don't know what i'm talking about.

Using a figure of 25c is nonsense because in your head, only the EV is using power at night to charge the battery and you are adding about 8c to the price when realistically, at best, it's an extra 1c all things considered.

I have shown you that EVs (and many of them) can be purchased for well below the 40k imaginary bottom you didn't want to accept.

I have explained that your Nissan Note with it's tiny battery would immediately start to lose it's efficiency (which in Ireland....is not 2.7L/100km....so no point quoting that hugely inflated figure) over a short time and would be useless outside of the summer.

You can't seem to accept that Nissan themselves have given the Note e-Power an efficiency rating of 4.6L/100km and that's being generous.....would be in reality above 5L/100km. Source? NISSAN . Even if the efficiency quoted by Nissan held true for 12 months of the year (it won't) then your €4.95 actually becomes €8.46.

And now you're bringing apartments into your argument 🤣

KCross

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119614637#Comment_119614637

You keep saying my figues don't stack up but I can only quote what's out there. Its 16c nightsaver for each kwh.

But like many have told you at this stage, 16c nightsaver is not the best out there. Some are charging that (even higher) but you can still get rates that are <10c/kWh..... you need to acknowledge that before you can continue to make your arguments.

There is a thread on here dedicated to the topic... please read it, even the last few pages, or else you are just trolling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119614724#Comment_119614724

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119614648#Comment_119614648

Here is that Energia plan which is now gone to 9.7c/kWh but still alot less than you are calculating and crucially that's a FIXED price (not a fixed discount) for 12 months... again, another point you do not seem to be acknowledging.

https://www.energia.ie/plans-and-switching-info/ev

If you don't want to drive a glorified golf cart, don't choose a Note ePower as your next vehicle.

mfceiling

I'd rather pay a bit extra and have the comfort of electric combined with the power to keep up with a lot of very fast petrol sports cars, than be stuck in a Nissan note.

corks finest

Correct ref the note 2.7/L-100

corks finest

Currently driving Honda insight ( 2 nd one)

2012 - 60 mpg no prob as long as your not a lead foot

My 2009 insight achieved 63/65 mpg without even trying that hard

Changing this week to an epower

2017 expect similar if not better mpg

In winter yes the MPG suffers obviously

More lights/ heat etc but not by a whole lot

80sDiesel

Big fan of the nissan note crossover e power. Twin electric motors. No word though if coming to these shores.

https://youtu.be/VOEFYp3aC1c

Andy From Sligo

hello all, who's got (or has had) a self charging Nissan Note with e-power circa round about 2018?

Just wondering how you are finding it? - any good / been happy with it ? … or hated it ?

anything especially to look out for / be aware of on a used one?

corks finest

Interested also,as I'm potentially buying a 2017 one tomorrow

Andy From Sligo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122146587#Comment_122146587

Hope you get on OK - Test drove a 2018 and I liked it I must say.
a couple of things I noticed - the engine when running/charging the battery has quite high revs , on the one I test drove when it kicks in to charge the battery possibly around 2000rpm.

It seems to have some pretty good goodies - if you get one with a video rear mirror you not only get the rear view reverse camera but you might get the all round view camera.

The car has collision warning as standard, it might apply the brakes automatically when you near object. I think they all have that collision warning, I think also they all have folding in door mirrors. and I think they all have the lane departure warning.

Cruise Control does not seem to be fitted to all models - one way you can tell is if buttons are on right hand side of the steering wheel, on the steering wheel itself. Even though you might get one with Cruise Control none of them seem to have speed limiter function.

The radio more than likely will be in Japanese it being a Import , if so Japan has different FM bands so you might be OK getting RTE Radio1 and 2FM and Radio gaelta and classic radio but maybe not 100 Today FM or newstalk and local radio stations up that end - so it does not get all FM radio stations, also if there is no map card in the radio that seems the norm on imported ones you may not be able to change the unit to English I think will be in Japanese writing and lot of other stuff in menu will not work or be limited I think without the map SD card in it - of course if your seller has changed the radio to an android or panasonic head unit with english on it then shouldnt be a issue. Its only imports which have the japanese writing at the buttons on the front of the unit.

Might be hard getting insurance , or reasonable insurance - because they think the imports dont have immobilizer …. but the e-power Nissan Note has . Plus they think its going to be hard getting parts for it , being an import so price goes up on insurance. - I think I found best for a quote is Liberty Insurance through Chill insurance the most reasonable cover so far. - It looks like a lot of parts of a Petrol Nissan Note (non Jap import) would fit a lot on the e-power bodywise and engine wise possibly (bar the electric motor parts) I dont know how you would get on if it ever needed a motor or traction battery replacement etc

these imported Nissan Notes do not seem to come as standard with a rear parcel shelf which is odd, you can buy one I think but it would be about 70eur+ I think. - The rear windows are pretty heavily tinted so you cannot see right into the boot when lid is down

I found the nissan Owners Manual for the e-power Note model, its in Japanese but Google translate helps out a lot.

hope you get on OK - they seem decent cars comfy seats, quite nippy, one pedal driving as well if you select it , nice to drive in electric most of the time when the battery is fully charged .

corks finest

Thats great information thank you,

Last 4 cars have been jap imports,

Absolutely no issues thankfully,

Yes you're bang on ref infotainment,

And one I'm looking at has decent mid spec( SV - standard value)

Keyless,lane departure,crash detection etc,

Have all this on my current jap import,high spec ignis hybrid,

Incidentally highly recommended,

Only reason I'm changing is I'm giving to my son who's just passed his test,but needs a motor for work college ,etc

Only potential drawback ref Nissan from report's I've read is the cost of regassing the A/C , expensive as it used a specialised gas good for the environment,

Dealer has changed the head unit to a large tablet , looks a bit odd tbh,

Has keyless and 2 keys,looks good

But as we're going to a CCFC match in Bray today I'll be able to view a few cars aswell OTW,

The Nissan,a fiesta and 2 Suzuki Swift hybrids ( all jap imports)

If you're still interested in information ref e power and I purchase I'll keep U informed

Thanks again

corks finest

Forgot to mention,U lose the 360 camera and possibly the rear mirror camera once an aftermarket head unit is installed

Andy From Sligo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122147710#Comment_122147710

Thanks for the reply - thats great feedback that you have had 4 Jap imports and no issues. Just the kind of info I was looking for. I wondered how reliable the cars were. - I read the other night the batteries for the e-power should last either life of the car or can start showing issues at 250000 (cant remember if its miles or Km)

i read in owners manual that the wheels are driven in the e-power by electric motor only, the 1.2l petrol engine is merely there to charge the EV batteries under the car. And although we would never let it run out of petrol I read it says that if you do run out of petrol that even if the battery is charged to full you will not be able to drive any more.

I think on those keyfobs if you long press the open lock button for a few seconds when you are a short distance from the car all the windows will wind down automatically, and if you long press on the lock button on the keyfob then all the car windows will all roll up and close, thats how it works on the non-hybrid petrol Nissan Note anyway. Thats handy feature that, we had it on a opel Corsa once , and its not just a gimmick. If you look outside the window and it starts raining you can wind the windows up without going out to the car to do it.

Thats a shame you loose all round camera's on the unit if replaced by a new head unit, mind you I suppose a new HU just has 1 video input for a rear reversing camera. The Nissan e-power import we looked at only had a bog standard rear view mirror with no camera or video. And when we reversed there was no rear view camera showing up on the screen of the jap HU, but the words were up on screen about no SD card detected (in Japanese) so I got to figuring that the Jap head unit dont like offering any other features when a SD card is not detected and thats why we never got a pic from the reversing camera. - That is one of the things my wife really wants her next car to have is a reversing camera , she finds it really handy. - the dealers said that they would change (or rather get someone to change) the radio before we collected it if we wanted it.

Ah yes the refrigeration most probably uses the R1234yf Refrigerant which is up to date one for environment and has oil in it (or has to have oil added to it) my Renault Zoe EV has that type of refrigerent. I havent had to get it re-gassed so i dont realise what the cost is (well I did have to get it re-gassed once but the job was under warranty)

There are a lovely amount of selection of Note e-power Japanese imports up in Dublin from various dealers , we might pop up there one day and set a day just looking around their ones and see what they are like, quite a bit cheaper some of them as well. than our neck of the woods.

corks finest

Test drove one today

Nice ,but this particular one not so much that I'd buy it

What's the fuel consumption like compared to a conventional 1.2 manual petrol?

corks finest

Up around 65/70 at worst,I eventually for a 1 L fiesta titanium eco boost sports automatic,

Also a jap import

The epower I went up to see wasn't as described

And fairly rough,

Also found out the dealer had it in the yard over a year,not a great sign

Andy From Sligo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122152184#Comment_122152184

in this vid they reckon they got 100km out of 2.8litres!

https://youtu.be/1RPTrJzCRE0?si=ADHqog3HM5LoNhYD

corks finest

Watched that ages ago,think tbh it's exaggerated a bit

Andy From Sligo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122158255#Comment_122158255

ah right - thats a shame .i could see how it could be quite economical if the engine on those e-powers are there purely for generating the battery only and not driving the wheels along with regen to charge the batteries

corks finest

Hi Sligo still a great economical car tbf, but rattly and abused the one I looked at,

Some beautiful others about but we'd not enough bob's plus we were 4/6 hours behind over a fatality last Friday on the motorway,

And had to make a match in Bray Friday evening and see another couple of hybrids ( complete waste of time and effort -Castle motors)

Cars were heaps and not at all as described

Andy From Sligo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122147712#Comment_122147712

I test drove a couple in Galway the other day . jap head unit in it and rear view mirror had the all round cameras and the sales lady said the head unit will be changed , so I said to her won't the cameras and rear view mirror stop working and she says no. but it was a doubtful no. so I am tend to believe you instead! 🙂

looked at another one and the head unit was already replaced in that and sure enough the all round cameras and video rearview mirror was not working, not only that there eas no reverse camera at all showing on the replaced head unit, and also the steering wheel controls didnt respond either.

makes you wonder then if you are buying these Japanese imports whether it's better to leave the original jap radio in it so you get the all round camera feature and just make do with not being able to receive all the FM radio stations and just Bluetooth the music to the radio instead

corks finest

Honestly you couldn't live with the original jap jobbies,now there's a guy in Dublin charges e100 to change language etc but I'm not fully convinced it works 100 pc,

I changed all my head units and found it great afy6tbat, reverse camera will work with n

U have to buy the necessary steering wheel control leads etc online and new fascia etc yourself otherwise you'll end up paying upwards 80-e100 via your fitter,

I bought all relevant leads etc on eBay then went to fitter with them,

Paid the last 2 units in cash so saved a bit aswell,know the guy so it was good for all concerned

Andy From Sligo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122176837#Comment_122176837

Google lens/translate is good for deciphering the Japanese language on the screen - the other day I was pointing my android phone at the screen and it was translating well on the phone , but yes in everyday operation you would not be able to keep doing that .

I have been working on Renault head units for some time now and with software and diagnostics adaptor I can change language and other radio parameters on the R-link and Medianav fitted to the renaults , but I am not sure same would work on the Japan imports radio's - yes I see if on renaults and you change head units you have to order a new loom or something, works on CAN network or something I presume it would be the same kind of thing on the Jap radio's as well if you wanted the steering wheel controls (Voume up down etc) to work with them .

Andy From Sligo

Here is one thing I didnt check when i looked at the e power Nissan Note Jap import - do they have LED driving lights? - I mean driving lights (that come on when ignition is on and stay on all the time) are a legal requirement in UK & Ireland for all cars built after 2013-onwards I think - but when I see pictures of the epower Note's on the internet driving around I can see no Daylight driving lamps on , is that not an issue?

corks finest

One I tested Kat week had daylight running ones

Andy From Sligo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122180357#Comment_122180357

ah right than - you cannot happen to remember where the running lights were by any chance? - did they have them in the main headlights or are the fog lights in the bumper utilized as DRL ? - the note's we were looking at dont have the front fog lights in the bumper, they are just blocked off with black plastic

corks finest

Main lights, and actually was up in Dublin this morning and offered a few bob on another note E power hybrid( Boland) but I had a budget and my offer was 300 E off ,he wouldn't budge in spite of me saying ill travel to him etc etc,have bob's in the pocket and will be buying this morning and heading home with a car,

So obviously they're selling well ,and enquired about 2 more - no reply from one ,and another shot me down ,

Was a time if U were within e2/400 of price they'd take the hand off ya