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https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118496305#Comment_118496305

Bingo. Nicely laid out post that explains the frustration from the open borders advocates who play bait and switch with the terms immigrant, refugee, asylum seeker, illegal migrants etc.

Legal immigrants (EU + workers with Visas) are a NET BENEFIT to the country.

Illegal immigrants (bogus asylum seekers and the type of refugees who claim to be fleeing war while trying to board dinghies in France) are a NET DRAIN to the country.

It's pretty straightforward.

MarkEadie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118496567#Comment_118496567

A lot of these people don't want EU immigrants, especially eastern europe e.g Poland and so on. Go to any of those retarded protests outside the GPO and find anyone who wants people from Poland here. The usual suspects were harping on about Romanians in the country when the Romanian guy was wrongfully arrested recently. That gave them a great chance to spout off and they'll probably get another one when the nationality of the new suspect gets released.

dontmindme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118496624#Comment_118496624

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/high-court/60-000-for-roma-family-whose-blonde-son-2-was-removed-by-garda%C3%AD-1.2397511

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118496305#Comment_118496305

I said there is no such thing as bogus refugees. Which posters seemed to think was amusing.

it was amusing to me that posters don't even know the difference between asylum seekers and refugees.

And what accommodation are illegal immigrants put into exactly?

donaghs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118466520#Comment_118466520

Nice misdirection. I think it’s obvious that the “our” refers to being part of our society, in which we live.

moritz1234

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118495523#Comment_118495523

Low skilled (as you put it) people perform very important roles in the community, be it hospital porters or hospital cleaners in these strange pandemic times. They deserve our thanks and praise

HerrKuehn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118498599#Comment_118498599

They do of course, but there is no point in bringing people in from outside the EU to do the jobs is there?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118496567#Comment_118496567

Legal immigrants (EU + workers with Visas) are a NET BENEFIT to the country.

That's not strictly true though. There are a range of temporary positions (often seasonal or short-term) for generally low skilled positions, which have been unable to find employees from the domestic employment market, and as such have brought in people under temporary visas... which sounds fine, except that once in the country, some will disappear when their visa ends. There is also the aspect that many low-skilled positions wouldn't pay adequately, and while we hope that Irish employers would be morally sound, logically, there will be those who are not, and will house foreign workers in dismal conditions. Alternatively, when Covid started, such people would have lost their positions, but due to government regulations they stayed in Ireland, and received welfare supports while out of work. When/if that work dries up, those employees would join an already limited low skilled employment market, and need to be supported while they remain.

Ireland's history on deportations is rather... lackluster, and while some will leave on their own steam, others will remain, as evidenced by the 30k+ undocumented workers already in the country. (nobody, even the government, knows the exact number, or if it's increased since covid happened)

The point is that nothing is really as a simple as saying that legal immigrants are a net benefit, because there are a host of ways that legal immigrants can become illegal, or simply not earn enough to warrant being here (Ireland is an expensive country for many Irish who have access to generational family supports, never mind, for those without those supports). It's also worth noting that Asylum seekers and certain refugee groups will continue to receive government financial supports after their claims are accepted... there is an obligation to provide for AS after they've been accepted, and there's no real requirement on them to find work, or whatever. It makes sense that they would get work, and improve their lives beyond what the government provides, but.. no direct obligation to do so.

Bubbly likes to exaggerate the contributions that people make to the economy, while ignoring the costs. A variety of services are available under international/EU laws to illegal immigrants regardless of their status, and those involved are under no obligation to report their application for support. Just as there is funding given to charitable or support organisations to help the poor, which would likely end up helping undocumented migrants, thus taking resources away from the people they were supposed to be supporting. ie. the genuinely Irish poor. And the list goes on.. there's no real shortage of examples where illegal immigration is a negative and draws away resources, that they're highly unlikely to ever compensate for.

In spite of the claims, there haven't been doctors, nurses, engineers brought through these methods.. after all those vocations are highly skilled, and can easily gain a visa legally.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118498599#Comment_118498599

Low skilled is not a term of offence. It's an accurate description used to describe members of the workforce. They don't need to you to defend them or glorify what they do (which they get paid to do by the way).

Yellow_Fern

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118498599#Comment_118498599

Restricting entry to people who end up in low skill jobs doesn't preclude appreciating those who do such work in Ireland. I mean we don't list art historians as a critical skill but that doesn't mean we don't value the art historians that we do have and it doesn't mean employers are barred from seeking permits for art historians when needed. If you really want to help porters and cleaners, you'd support an undersupply of them as that will push up their wages.