Female jogger killed in Tullamore (MOD NOTE IN OP)

Brussels Sprout

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118467276#Comment_118467276

Gonna go out on a limb and guess that you are not a young woman.

MakersMark

This poor woman and her family have been let down by our justice system which never punishes and always forgives, without a care to decent people.

Judges must have no say in sentencing, that power should be in the hands of the people who can vote mandatory sentences.

AndyBoBandy

This is just so utterly awful on so many levels.

Fandymo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118467341#Comment_118467341

I stated that her family, friends, and the community would be in shock earlier. I haven't heard any statements from any of them. I'm talking about the online attention seekers and the tabloid feminists who are all over this. The "is nowhere safe for women" merchants and the "men need to control themselves" screechers.

Strazdas

The only glimmer of hope in this horrible tragedy is that murders of women such as poor Ashling, Jastine Valdez (and Sarah Everard in the UK) by total strangers are incredibly rare.

Sadly, the overwhelming number of murders of women are by people who were well known to them (often violent, abusive partners).

leahyl

This has really shaken me - as a 36 year old woman, I wouldn't think twice about going out for a walk in my local area at night, never mind during daylight hours. I just cannot believe this has happened. It has really affected me. I can't even begin to imagine what her family and friends are going through, as well as the people who were with her as she passed.

jam_mac_jam

Poor girl. What a terrible thing to happen when out on a run.

It's quite easy to say that these murders are rare, which is true and that you are very unlikely to be harmed by a stranger, which is true. Fear and the human mind doesn't work like that and things like this will make you scared on your own.

I walk a lot on my own. And a lot of times along the Canal or other quiet areas. Yes I am very unlikely to be attacked but I am likely to be frightened.

There is a bit of overreacting when these things happen. Much less to the more normal beaten to death by your partner murder. It's understandable though because fear is not based on logic or stats.

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118467417#Comment_118467417

I totally get that. The statistics that these type of random murders are extremely rare (which I mentioned just above) will do nothing to put young women out in public on their own at ease. It's only natural that such a horrific and upsetting tragedy will make them fearful and frightened.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118467324#Comment_118467324

It should, however the administration of justice and consistency of application of the law leaves a lot to be desired in this country. Plenty of wrong ones walking the streets with hundreds of convictions. Should not be the case.

Lillyfae

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118467394#Comment_118467394

I do this literally every day, sometimes twice a day if feeling particularly energetic. Shocking that this can happen in a busy area in broad daylight

ElJaguar

Pepper spray or Mace should be legalised for personal protection, imo.

rightmove

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118467409#Comment_118467409

TBF I dont think that is what is happening here. The minute a woman is murdered the focus goes on the gender debate immediately and that is wrong but it happens. Focus should be on the specifics of this case but this is the internet after all

uptherebels

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118467395#Comment_118467395

Where did I say the murder of a man and the murder of a woman weren't similar? I said risks faced by lone women. But, that was apparent. The crimes you mentioned were not the same circumstances as what happened to the woman out jogging, but that is also apparent

Thanks for your whataboutery.

castletownman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118466679#Comment_118466679

If I was in their shoes, I would be cursing myself for not being there a few moments earlier when I at least had a chance of preventing it from happening.

Cannot comprehend how traumatised they must be.

retalivity

Was there another incident a month or 2 back in Tullamore or nearby, someone attacked while out running/walking? I am sure I remember something similar from before Christmas.

RIP to the poor woman

AckwelFoley

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118467555#Comment_118467555

I suppose this is going to one of the things running through their head, the what ifs. They really need to get assistance to deal with something like this. I've seen a man die at the side of a road 25 years ago from a standard road accident. It's a memory I still hold. This horrific tragedy is completely different so I can't imagine putting myself I their shoes

Fandymo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118467455#Comment_118467455

Thats what I thought, but with words on a screen it could easily have been taken the other way too.

Of course I wouldn't tell a victim that they should have been more careful, the only person at fault when an attack happens is the attacker. But random attacks are so rare that if one of my sisters rang me now and said that she was going for a run, I also wouldn't tell her to be careful, I'd tell her to enjoy it.

Influencers are called influencers for a reason, they influence people, as do minor Irish celebs, who would have you think that women can't leave the house without some man attacking them going by some of their Twitter accounts. It drives unfounded fear, and living in fear is not a nice feeling for anyone, but if people you look up to and follow keeps telling you to be afraid, you will be.

This poor girl was extremely unlucky that this scumbag was in the same place, at the same time as her. It was in no way, shape, or form her fault and "being careful" would not have changed what happened.

RabbleRouser2k

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118467388#Comment_118467388

Precisely because they are in shock. If something similar happened to anyone we know, doubt many of us would be going on the radio to speak of it. I've lost family very suddenly (heart attack, previous illness that took a turn and was fatal). You just want to be left alone. Given time to grieve. Something like this. It's unimaginable. There was a murder, a good few years ago, in my home town. It absolutely shook the place to its core. Still left scars.

The news spoke to people from the area, and I commend many reporters who work for Virgin Media and RTE who are not commenting on the specifics, but moreso on the life lost. Because that's what is important right now. Remember the life taken. It's important to be very sensitive to her loved ones.

I remember there were certain places I lived where myself and others would often have to put up with the dodgy types approaching us. (And I'm speaking as a male). You'd get everything from dealers, junkies, folks who were the 'will you buy me booze, because I'm barred/ banned from there' (never did-they'd always try and claim you took money from em when you'd say 'I'm barred from there too-here's your money back'). You'd have to change your route to avoid the areas they'd hang out.

There's just no place to be safe anymore. Spent my whole life being careful. Tell many others to do the same. You can't be cautious enough.

namloc1980

It's awful beyond words but this isn't the time for people to go on their anti-men fear mongering rants.

BorneTobyWilde

Why are the Guards giving it the whole '' we'll leave no stone upturned to find the killer, we will search the 4 corners of the globe, we will search every house, out house, and dog house'' wtf!

There was witnesses, you picked the guy up straight away, stop milking it to look good and do your job, stop acting like you're in a Hollywood Movies its sad.

anewme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118466416#Comment_118466416

No, that's not what needs to happen at all.

Thats victim blaming.

walshb

Are posts disappearing?

BailMeOut

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118467634#Comment_118467634

because they want to be sure that the case sticks and the perpetrator does not get off on some lesser sentence as they missed something or made a mistake.

Pawwed Rig

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118467738#Comment_118467738

Yes. About 70% of posts on this thread have been deleted as people are ignoring the mod warnings. Heaps of infractions handed out aswell

walshb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118467853#Comment_118467853

Ok, thanks

I am certainly not deliberately trying to go against rules, so if any my posts deleted, apologies.

One mine disappeared that was very innocuous. Nothing that I could see that breached any rules

AckwelFoley

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118467825#Comment_118467825

The reason, as uncomfortable as it may feel it to protect us all. We are well aware how corrupt the Gardai, and police in various jurisdictions can be, and while some cases can be rather plain cut, the right to a fair trial by all is the only way to have a fair justice system, and hopefully protect the innocent against prosecttion for crimes they didn't commit

My argument is the sentences are too lenient. You could kill someone, and depending on circumstances be out in a few years. Malcolm McArthur that killed the nurse in the phoenix park on the other end of the scale got 30, which frankly he should never have seen daylight again in my view

daydorunrun

A lot of anger and emotion about this case. Haven't been able to stop thinking about that girl- so evil, so wrong. To think of her parents getting a knock at the door with that news. I can't even begin to imagine.

I’m male, I run everyday and have run in that part of the world, I wish I had been running there yesterday to stop this unimaginably evil crime.

I often wondered why when running past other runners who are female why there is no eye contact or runners salute ( I always give a nod and a hello passing others) this is why- women have to assess for their own safety every step of the way. Can't wear headphones on their own to be on full alert of their surroundings, have to select time and location. That is so ****!

Don't know how I can be part of the solution but in future I'll cross the road, run a different direction if it makes one person feel more at ease.

I feel sick.

Shuffl_in

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118467634#Comment_118467634

What they actually said was "No stone will be left unturned in bringing the perpetrator of this crime to justice."

They still have a job to do here.

jam_mac_jam

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118467851#Comment_118467851

And yet it never comes up. You just get vague ideas about how we have to change men or something or how we need to change all culture of the world.

Instead of saying can we have mandatory sentences for violent crimes Please. Some of the sentences are way too low. Nothing tangible or effective is ever proposed.

There are always going to be some evil men out there. That's never going to change. We need to talk about how we address it rather then saying oh men stop killing us. Murder is already illegal.

jellybear

Absolutely shocked at this heartbreaking story. My deepest condolences to Ashling's family, friends, colleagues and the children she taught. May she rest in peace.

Burt Renaults

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118467710#Comment_118467710

At this point, we know almost nothing about the perpetrator. It's far too early to say which wider problem this is part of (no doubt it hasn't happened in a vacuum, but it'll all come out in time). A lot of opportunistic people online (maybe a bit too online), from right across the spectrum, seem to be using it to further wider agendas and validate their hobby-horses - mainly anti-men or anti-immigrant. Tasteless.

LillySV

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118467388#Comment_118467388

I was abit sickened alright earlier on listening to one of the female presenters on tv3 barely get a line out about the murder and straight away turn it into a “women struggle /fear how hard to be a woman and men should … etc etc “ bullshit and it was sickening … u could tell by the face of her she was just acting out the usual pc feminist bullshit without a care in the world about that poor girl or what happened … sad carry on … anyways don’t give the attention seekers the attention they crave … thoughts and prayers to the poor girl and her family

Atlantic Dawn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118467634#Comment_118467634

They have assigned 50 Gardai to the case despite having the suspect in custody. Have 50 Gardai being assigned to the case of the man gunned down and murdered outside his home in Ballyfermot during the week with the attacker(s) still at large?

Over 50 gardaí have been assigned to the investigation and personnel from national specialist units, including the National Bureau of Criminal Investigation.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2022/0113/1273394-tullamore-murder-investigation/

Thelonious Monk

This is a horrible despicable act by the psycho that did this and I can't imagine what her friends and family are going through.

I still feel so bad for that poor Mongolian woman who was stabbed to death in the IFSC, it didn't really get any media attention, no one knows her name or anything about her, even the Sarah Everheard murder in London got more attention.

obi604

I dont know much about this, but high level is the general concensus that his was just a normal girl living her life, no back stories and some psycho just went crazy and killed her for no reason whatsoever?

leahyl

I remember when I was in my early 20s, I was waiting at a bus stop in Cork City centre and this sleazy guy came up to me and asked me did I want to come with him to Bishop Lucey park and he'd "f**k me there" - I was absolutely terrified. The guy went away pretty quick once I ignored him but I haven't forgotten it. This happened in broad daylight at the end of patrick street and there were people all around.

Also had an experience where myelf and my friends were walking along a street in town and a group of young boys (late teens) passed and one of them put his hand out and touched my private area - I actually was wondering had I imagined it, I was so shocked.

I understand that these are isolated incidents but whats happened to this poor young woman has made me think about them again. She was just going for a run, just like I had been in town shopping and was waiting for a bus.

Witcher

This thread is a disgrace.

stooge

I think all that anyone on this thread needs to say is that she was a beautiful girl who had her life taken needlessly, way to early. Also, that the Criminal Justice system needs to ensure that justice is served to the perpetrator. Leave all other discussion for generic threads somewhere and sometime else.

RIP

Pawwed Rig

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118468329#Comment_118468329

That is a fact. Thread closed

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RIP