Future of Micheal Martin

Fann Linn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118471218#Comment_118471218

A really nice low benchmark. Yes, I'd put MM just above him.

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118469276#Comment_118469276

I find it hard to come up with any name at all from the FF party without googling them.

FG have done a great job making me believe this is still their government

Danzy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118479177#Comment_118479177

Newstalk had Varadkar on recently and he was introduced as the Taoiseach, the reporter laughed in embarrassment at the mistake but it was telling.

If you told people Martin was the Press secretary for the Govt quite a few wouldn't doubt it.

Fann Linn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118479189#Comment_118479189

And to think that this incumbent will be replaced by someone currently under Garda investigation.

Scraping the barrel.

Danzy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118479201#Comment_118479201

Leo should have been made resign for that.

Mad_maxx

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118479147#Comment_118479147

In a heartbeat, that's how awful Martin is.BoJo didn't allow his version of Tony Holohan to defacto take over as leader

I'd much prefer the UK approach to the past two years, I was over there few months back, things were normal compared to this hysteria frenzy of fear

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118479189#Comment_118479189

I make that mistake myself all the time. Add to that the fact that the only cabinet ministers I can ever think of are FG ones with the exception of Donnelly who isn't doing FF any favours in my book.

I just can't see that he or FF have any vision for the country. In the past FF always had leaders with a very clear vision of who they and the party were l. Whether you liked it or not you knew who as a voter they were but he has nothing.

If you sat a first time voter down to explain the options in an impartial way how would you even describe the current FF.

spakman

For a long time, he was looking very likely to have the unwelcome legacy of being the first FF leader not to serve as Taoiseach.

I think he was desperate to avoid that, and once he got into office, it was mission accomplished. He had no agenda or plan of what he wanted to do or how we wanted to lead the country. I think he just wants to see it out without any major scandal.

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118479505#Comment_118479505

Becoming Taoiseach as Fianna Fail leader is a lot easier than being a Fianna Fail Taoiseach who retires without a major scandal in fairness 🤣

Loafing Oaf

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118478906#Comment_118478906

So do we take it that if he goes through with the handover, he definitely intends to lead FF into the election? It wouldn't make sense to me for him do that with the intention of standing down at some point before the election, but not tell anyone.

Ballycommon Mast

He'll be the shortest ever serving Taoiseach when he steps down on December 15. I bet John Bruton is delighted to loose that title

Dempo1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118480324#Comment_118480324

I just can't see it happening, he'll stand down before transfer of Taoiseach role to Leo but of course I could be completely wrong, I just think he's done with it all and has achieved everything he set out to achieve.

Larbre34

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118479170#Comment_118479170

You're not even thinking about what you say are you?

All the global statistics show that Ireland has weathered the pandemic, scientifically and financially better than most other nations of the World developed or otherwise.

Our death rate per head of population compared to Britain is half. Half!!!!!!

We have maintained positive economic growth throughout and through careful treasury management have supported any business and individual employee for as long as it was needed.

Our vaccination rate and speed is, again, one of the very highest in the World!

I hate to have to remind people, but it's a **** pandemic. The worst thing that can happen globally next to a World War.

Of course, It doesn't suit the narrative of the lazy, feckless ditch hurlers, who wouldn't themselves lift a finger to get involved in politics or improving their own communities. They'd much rather sit on their holes giving it the "bleeding gubbernment Joe" all day and night.

Have some mistakes been made? Definitely. Would the gift of more knowledge and time have led to a different strategy at different junctures? Absolutely. Do we need to learn lessons for future national crises? Any Country would be mad not to.

But the inconvenient truth is Micheál Martin has been a good Taoiseach in the crisis. A man of decency and clear headed consideration. Hard working and openminded. Steadfast in anxious times.

You may disagree with me of course, but cast your eye around the World and ask yourself what other Country would you have preferred to go through this nightmare in.....

ZX7R

I think MM could have done with a better pr team.

He doesn't appear to relate to social media, and definitely doesn't have his finger on the pulse of the general public.

He needs to be more positive and advertise when the numbers are going the right direction.

A politician who comes across ass been afraid of being a taoiseach.

He may want to lead his party in the next election but can't see the party backing him.

He always came across as a decent and honest person.

Leo will come out smelling of roses when he takes the rains and relaxs any remaining restrictions that are left by then.

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118480569#Comment_118480569

I'm no defender or voter of FF or FG but I bet every Boards.fr/es/py/ug/whatever is full of people saying their country has handled Covid the worst. Some are probably even saying "I wish we had NPHET and Martin". My friends in England and the US certainly think Ireland have handled it better.

Larbre34

In which case all anyone can look at is the numbers. Fewest deaths, highest and quickest vaccination programme, level of economic activity maintained.

Fann Linn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118480569#Comment_118480569

Someone said we could 've had Boris. I put MM above him. What's the problem? Btw I don't judge a Govt on just how they handle a pandemic.

Zebra3

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118480569#Comment_118480569

Affected a minority of the population and despite that the entire population lost a huge amount of their rights over the last two years.

State at absolute insane levels of debt which will be paid by those the virus had little impact on.

Utterly shameless.

The man who broke the country twice.

vriesmays

Blander than vanilla ice cream.

Seth Brundle

Affected a minority of the population and despite that the entire population lost a huge amount of their rights over the last two years.

This kind of nonsense annoys me and is based on bullcrap notions.

Had measures not been introduced then far more would have been directly affected and potentially even died. Furthermore, you would would have seen far more people who needed treatment for other ailments being untreated because the medical professionals were too busy dealing with covid patients.

As for people losing their rights, is people's right not to die or the right to medical treatment not more important in your view?

Lets have a discussion on MM based on facts and not your anti-science crap.

Zebra3

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118485765#Comment_118485765

Anti-science?? Ahahahha.

The facts show for themselves on the dangers of the virus to what sectors of the population.

The ineptitude of the health service isn’t my fault. That lies with those who have been in power consistently over the last few decades, FG and FF.

The state of the health service despite the billions thrown at it every year is the fault of well paid failures like MM. It’s not my fault, and my rights shouldn’t be impinged for two years because of it.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118480569#Comment_118480569

Just on the death rate thing..

That's because anyone who dies within a month of a test in England is a covid death..so their numbers are inflated..

Munstergirl854

Did anybody manage to catch the funeral today where he was sympathising with the family?

Ashlings dad had him grabbed by the arm and was shaking his head as he spoke to him..thought he looked very serious whatever he was saying.

He came off as a bit cold sympathising whereas the Higgins have a warmth about them,especially Sabina.

Danzy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118497234#Comment_118497234

No fan of the man but he has buried 2 kids.

road_high

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118497250#Comment_118497250

Often hear this red herring pulled up. On a personal level this is deeply tragic and he has my sympathy on that. But that’s irrelevant to the job of Taoiseach- which he willingly chose to undertake. If that in any way effects his ability to do this immensely important public service role (for which he is extremely well remunerated I might add) he simply should not be there.

road_high

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118485765#Comment_118485765

That must be why Ireland’s death rates sits in parallel or even above countries with lower restrictions. This myth that restrictions save lives is the real anti science crap. At best they delay some deaths

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118497336#Comment_118497336

Surely they prevent 'ancilary' deaths,by stopping health services being over-whelmed and collasping??

If yous had a heart attack/serious car crash etc,if the hospiteals overrun/collasped you simply wouldnt have treatment (pretty sure this happened in derry at one stage!)

road_high

And if my aunt had balls she’d be my uncle…exactly what this whole mania was based on. “What if” scare mongering. The type you’ll never be wrong with even though it never happens. Yawn 🥱

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118497483#Comment_118497483

Tbf it seems like,what the obvious outworking of health services being overrun is

It has happened(as said in derry with this country),india,america,italy etc ...why would it be any different in the free state??

Im no particular fan of this government,nor lockdowns,but to claim,they dont save lives is a bit ludicrious.....surely stands to obvious reason what they do,as blunt as they may be?

jmlad2020

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118480402#Comment_118480402

Fixed the housing crisis did he? Did he fu@#