The media and male violence

One eyed Jack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118532179#Comment_118532179

I got what you were saying alright, my point was, even using your example - that while there are undoubtedly some people of both sexes who are that paranoid, it takes a hell of an imagination to think anyone knows the mind of anyone else or what their fears are or aren’t.

Jason Bourne for example, I am not. I don’t have any fears that I’m going to be attacked when I’m out and about in public, and that’s not just because I’m a man, which is often the response to that point - it’s because I’m not so paranoid. I do know people who are though, of both sexes. Other people have their own fears which I wouldn’t have known about, and until they told me, I never would have imagined it.

zv2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118532545#Comment_118532545

I got my lip busted open one day rolling a punctured bicycle home. Things like that sensitize you to violence on the street.

One eyed Jack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118532617#Comment_118532617

I’m not being obtuse or anything, but yeah, I can completely understand how something like that might affect someone.

The key word in that sentence is ‘might’. Different people will be affected differently, or not at all, by different circumstances pertaining to the individual. It depends entirely upon their own thought processes.

That’s what makes it so difficult for rational people who would never think to attack anyone, to understand the thinking of anyone who has carried out an attack, often described as ‘senseless’, because they can’t make any sense of it or understand what the person who carried out the attack was thinking.

The woman who was stabbed to death in Maida Vale has been named, Yasmin Chfaiki. Her family are hailing the driver of the car as a hero.

“The deceased murderer, Leon McCaskre, was wanted for allegedly breaching a stalking restraint order and not turning up for a court hearing.” Police had issued a warrant for his arrest three weeks ago.

“The Independent Office for Police Complaints has been asked to investigate the force's previous contact with Ms Chkaifi to see if it could have done more to protect her.”

https://news.sky.com/story/maida-vale-met-police-refers-itself-to-watchdog-after-woman-stabbed-to-death-and-her-attacker-fatally-hit-by-car-12525965

BattleCorp1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118530030#Comment_118530030

If someone (made up scenario) was in the process of stabbing you and/or your child, and I ran over them with my car to prevent them from continuing their attack, I doubt you'd say "Ah Jaysus, that was above reasonable force".

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118540898#Comment_118540898

No of course not! And I hope 100% he will not be charged/convicted, more people need to get involved. People are afraid, and the reason being is because prosecutors and courts, do think like that. I would imagine it will depend on whatever other items were available and what the drivers intention was. reasonable force is very subjective.

And he still killed someone so he has to be.arrested and the incident investigated properly.

BattleCorp1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118541070#Comment_118541070

If you don't think it was above reasonable force, why did you say the following:

"I would think running them over is above reasonable force however"

My made up scenario is not much different to the example being discussed.

Because I think, under the law it will be.

bmc58

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118515750#Comment_118515750

Don't forget Newstalk!

Feisar

The problem is the word reasonable has no place in a conversation around violence. To survive a violent encounter one should follow the three F's. First, fast and furious. Why be thinking about a reasonable level of force when it's time better spent steam rolling through the threat.

BrianD3

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118543600#Comment_118543600

You still haven't said what would be reasonable force - apart from some vague comments about using a different weapon.

Most improvised weapons that people have on their person in a public place are of little/no value and we're not allowed carry actual weapons for self defence.

There are videos on YouTube which show US police deliberately running over armed suspects instead of getting out of their cars and shooting them. A very effective way to neutralise a threat in certain situations.

Mash the right foot into the carpet and get that V8 singing!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3u075XsD31w

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118546306#Comment_118546306

Feisar

Concrete is a great one that's always to hand in an urban enviorment. Fùck throwing jabs, get in close and crack their head on the ground. Note, tarmac won't be as good, conc ftw.

Abraham was the driver of the car in tragic circumstances in Maida Vale. He is seeking to be de-arrested. Surely in a story like this it should be top priority. He should be treated as a hero, not a criminal. Imagine the message it sends to men everywhere when they help a woman being attacked.

https://mobile.twitter.com/mohammedakunjee/status/1486491273146126337/photo/2

He killed someone, maybe two people? That has to be investigated. If he did nothing wrong, he doesn't need to worry.

It doesn't send any message to men anywhere.

Oh it sends a message pop, the opposite one to what has been in the media following the tragic deaths recently. Help women? Get treated like a criminal. There were many bystanders there and everything is on camera, what left is there to investigate.

The man he killed was not supposed to be anywhere near that woman as she had a restraining order against him.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118554646#Comment_118554646

No.

kill someone? Expect an investigation. That's what it says. If you have done nothing wrong, then everything will be ok.

WrenBoy

Gentlemen, if you see a woman in danger call the police and keep on walking, You'll only get thrown under the bus afterwards anyway, if you make it out at all.

foxsake

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118554929#Comment_118554929

they could investigate without arresting him regarding murder.

Bobtheman

The media storm over the tragic death in Ireland has abated. Nothing much will change. We don't have the prison space for low level violent offenders. So we can't instigate a zero tolerance agenda. Though im not sure if one is necessitated.

Meanwhile in my opinion a rather negative view of males will continue to be propagated by the media. In particular the Irish Times.

Certain males will continue to call themselves feminists just to seem right on and curry favour with the matriarchy. This is just my view but it's a widely held one.