Rugby, Do we need it?

11-04-2022 10:36pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118913501#Comment_118913501

you claim such 'nonsense' (note the correct use) would annoy anyone. it most certainly doesn't annoy me,

you enjoy,this ever-ending nonsense buzzwords to paper over poor skill levels??

Its a marketing dream,feed folk who dont know better (yous do,it seems),heap of rubbish and overhype relatively basic skill levels,to keep an unsustainable hype train going.....its like an inside joke,to take money off gullible bandwagoners

11-04-2022 10:39pm

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Buzzwords in other sports,deosnt make it acceptable in them either,particularly when used to compensate for low skill levels (gaa/soccer usually perfer out-dated cliche nonsens like pat spillane dribbles out,mid organism from david clifford scoring a point for kerry)

Rugby at same or above skill level as football🤣....when rugby supporters will openly acknowledge the majority of the players cant/dont kick the ball?

sprucemoose · 11-04-2022 10:43pm

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i've already explained how your idea of the game not involving skill is untrue, if you dont understand that well then that isn't my problem

sport in general is a marketing dream. if you think rugby is any better or worse than other sports, you simply are incorrect once again.

as others have suggested, if you really believe it isnt a skilled game, show us all how well you'd get on if you actually went to your local club and tried it out. even better, lets all meet up and you can show us all how easy and unskilled tackling, rucking, mauling etc, are.............

11-04-2022 10:54pm

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Its a game of catch & throw....many cant even run with the ball ffs,no mind kick it

If your needing to sell its main skill levels as occuring,when not in possession of the ball/rooting and tearing at the "breakdown" (looks like feeding pigs on uncles farm tbh,but im assured this is insurmontable skill,reserved only for rugby folk),

would ya not stop and think like?....that rugby 7s(??- before el dud jumps in,buzzing with himself- dunno right term),looks to be someway watchable and ball moves at speed....but that never ending stuff served up at weekends,cant see it,unless like you said,the utter top top teams,which ireland and irfu simply isnt

sprucemoose · 11-04-2022 11:01pm

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'would ya not stop and think like?' would ya not stop and think like, that youre talking rubbish yourself no? 7s is grand but its basically a different sport at this stage. if you dont/cant understand the intricacies of rugby then grand, but to say it isnt skillful is just childish.

to be honest, at this stage it just sounds like youre sour because some rugby player got off with someone you fancied when you were younger

NedsNotDead · 11-04-2022 11:05pm

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How much kick passing do you see in a Gaelic football match these days. Not much as it's now a possession based game and the hand pass is used more often. And there isn't much skill in hand passing a ball.

So as most GAA players wont/cant kick a ball by your logic that puts them on the same skill level as Rugby players

11-04-2022 11:06pm

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Mate,your pushing tackling/rucking and mauling as pinacle of skills to show it off on a training field,

You cant honestly believe them to be highly technical skill levels,above reproach/reach of majority people??

sprucemoose · 11-04-2022 11:07pm

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mate, you obviously haven't actually tried any of them........

11-04-2022 11:08pm

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Most gaa players can kick the ball,its taught at u8 level upwards,about different parts of foot to kick with,can yous say same for rugby?

It is a valid critism of gaa,that it isnt kicked enough and "the mark" has cheapened a basic skill

11-04-2022 11:12pm

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But none are beyond reach of people with average motor skills,with some basic enough skills training

What sets your top players apart is pure size/physique,which are not,despite all hype thrown at it, skill levels

sprucemoose · 11-04-2022 11:13pm

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soccer, gaa etc are games that need more general skills and individual positions can be relatively similar. rugby is very position specific in terms of skills

sprucemoose · 11-04-2022 11:17pm

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not really true, like i said, actually try it out and see what happens. until then, let the people who actually know what they are talking about comment on this one

true that size has become overly important at the professional level and things need to be done to change this, but bigger players can still be skillful. look at someone like nemani nadolo (not that you'll have heard of him) for example

Fr Tod Umptious · 12-04-2022 7:55am

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why do virgin show champions league? why are gaa games on rte? why are any sports on tv full stop?

those games you mentioned are on because they are teams representing our country. the U20s were doing it particularly successfully too

The Champions League is on TV because soccer is a very popular sport.

The GAA championship is on TV because football and hurling are very popular sports in Ireland.

Women's rugby is on TV because it's tokenism of the highest order.

The IRFU are even in a bit of a bind now when it comes to the women's game.

They have been promoting it to show their inclusiveness but now that the players are looking for better conditions etc they are being told that there is no money for them, because in reality the women's game makes no revenue for the IRFU.

irelandrover · 12-04-2022 8:11am

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I dont know what sports you like at this point but id guess none.

A game of catch and throw, summing it up like this just makes you sound like an idiot.

Soccer, a game of kick

Gaelic, a game of catch and kick.

Hurling, a game of catch and hit.

Darts, a game of throw.

Golf, a game of hit.

PHG · 12-04-2022 9:02am

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Hurling is not exactly rocket science (I played hurling and Rugby for years). To break it down a bit.

Takes minimal time to learn how to pick up a ball and hit a ball, same to learn how to pass correctly in rugby
You jump up in the air and catch a ball, same in both
Most players "drive the ball" up the field in hurling for territory and/or in the hope their player will get the ball. Similar to kicking for touch or a Garryowen
Not all players on a hurling team can shoot in play, high percentage of scores comes from the front 6 players. Most back in rugby can kick
There are specialist free takers in hurling for 65s and sideline cuts, sounds similar to a kicker and hooker to me
You run with a ball on a stick that has to be tapped off by a guy running beside you. Rugby you run in hand where a guy can tackle you

I am struggling to see the huge differences in skill level here.

As for only size, I am guessing you have been to a GAA match recently, most plays are now on the brink of or over 6ft (180cm). Very few players the size of what Jamesie O'Connor. Most of the top players of the last 25 years are nowhere near short and are big men, Dan Shanahan, Lar Corbett, Henry Shefflin are all 6ft or above. I think (open to correction) that the 2021 Hurling All Stars we 5'10 or above and they all have muscle, likely coming in over the 80/5kg mark (similar to back in rugby). So not sure where your size arguement is coming from.

El_Duderino 09 · 12-04-2022 10:16am

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Your attitude is similar to mine. I like some sports and other people like other sports. But for me, sport isn't just about the outcome of a game or a tournament. Its also about the community, the comradery of the supporters and then there is the game itself.

I don't watch GAA and I know I don't appreciate the subtleties of the sports. But I acknowledge that GAA plays a hugely positive role in community in Ireland. It's the main stitching in the social fabric of Irish society. Best of luck to you and all those who follow it. I hope you get enjoyment and community and a brake from real life.

Imagine the bitterness it would take to see other people enjoying themselves, causing no harm to anyone, and looking for reasons why they're wrong to enjoy themselves. I think the only way I could think like that, is if I was jealous that others could take joy from things.

12-04-2022 10:20am

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Hurling with its 99 different skills/strikes.....is same as rugby in terms of skills and motor abilities required to play....can just see bundee aki dropping the rugby to replace joe canning for galway in hurling🤣🤣🤣

Have a lie down there now lad

12-04-2022 10:23am

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You cant honestly think grabbing someone circa waist height with both arms,who is trained to fall properly so not to injure emselves is skilful??

I assume your taking the mick,calling the "maul" or "driving wedge" a display of personal excellance/skill/extra ordinary motor abilities....a display of good teamwork,perhaps,but skilful,im afraid not

Yeah_Right · 12-04-2022 1:11pm

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"to be honest, at this stage it just sounds like youre sour because some rugby player got off with someone you fancied when you were younger"

Blaaz admitted earlier in the thread that they were trying to get some people to like them and invite them to hangout and all those people were rugby fans. Thats why he/she watches rugby. So they can interact with the "cool kids". Its quite sad really.

12-04-2022 1:24pm

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Displaying basic social skills and showing rudimentry interest in what others in work,are into,is now regarded as sad😂😂😂

No wonder internet is regarded as full of oddball loners and suicide is endemic in the country....congrats to the "team of us" rugby supporters,who shun social skills to call anyone who dare qs its poor skill levels, online as sad👏👏👏

NedsNotDead · 12-04-2022 1:38pm

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@[Deleted User] nasty post and no need for it. You're bitterness towards Rugby is genuinely baffling. If you're not into the sport just ignore it

Yeah_Right · 12-04-2022 1:49pm

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I would have thought that basic social skills would involve talking about something you were both interested in and not faking interest in something just so the girl/guy that you have a crush on will speak to you. But maybe thats just me.

And I didn't call you sad for questioning the skill level in rugby. I called you sad because you are faking interest in a sport you hate to get people to like you. That is sad. I'd happily discuss the skill level in rugby vs other sports if that was an honest discussion on skill and an acknowledgement of different types of skill. I seem to remember from comments you made earlier in the thread that you define skill as being able to kick a ball and nothing else requires skill. Is that right? Because if it is, discussing skill with you would be pissing into the wind.

12-04-2022 2:12pm

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I dont hate the sport...pointing out its clear deficit of skill and use of buzzword deosnt equate to hatred imo

I havent said i want anyone to like me,also feel the accusation i want use it to meet up with people during covid is beneth contempt,

and much like your misrepresentation of saying i said skill is defined as ability to kick.the ball....is as good at comprehension as rugby has skills🤣🤣

12-04-2022 2:19pm

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Buts it not nasty for rugby supporters to simply lie and misrepresent my posts??

Im not bitter towards it either,i watch it,and it has some redeeming qualities,but the utter toxic nature of its buzzwords and the rather vehement defence of anyone pointing out,makes one examine it further

Is there games this weekend??(not sunday though!)

Yeah_Right · 12-04-2022 2:50pm

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Theres games on every weekend. This weekend the main focus would be on the 2nd leg of the European Champions Cup matches? Are you looking to go to one of the games? Or meet some rugby fans at the pub to watch the match? Even though you don't like it and talk crap about it? Weird.

Its funny you mention buzzwords. I'm sure I saw on here that you referred to a "free out". You know thats a GAA buzzword? No other sport uses that term.

Jimmy Two Times · 12-04-2022 4:16pm

New to the thread so apologies if I repeat anything that has already been said but I think it's a silly game.

One lad gets the ball and he kicks it up in the air straight to a lad off the other team. This lad then kicks it straight back to him. Then the first lad catches it,kicks it off the pitch and everyone claps.

Then a big fella gets the ball and jumps on the ground and all his mates jump on top of him. Then the next lad gets the ball and does the same. This continues until a fella off the other team gets the ball, kicks it off the pitch again,and everybody claps again.

Presume I'm missing something here but that doesn't seem like much of a game, does it ?

El_Duderino 09 · 12-04-2022 4:47pm

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So in the first kicking exchange, did the first kicker gain territory with the kick that went to touch?

And in the second example, did the kicker get a 50:22 or was it just a good clearance kick?

PHG · 12-04-2022 4:59pm

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You are defining skill across both games as the same thing. You mention strikes, there are many different types of passes and kicks in rugby, what makes them any different to hurling? To take from your posts of what rugby is, I could do the same with hurling and say its a person with a stick and hits a ball, even if they miss the net it can go over the bar, how hard can that be???

Yet it is a difficult sport to play at a high level as it rugby, due to the skill level required. The biggest players are not always chosen in rugby and the NZ team have downsized so as to increase speed. You are comparing rugby and hurling as one in the same, which they are not.

As for the Aki comment, it is as simply reversed as Canning replacing Aki in professional rugby as he would not have the skills required and get shown up.

Your comparison is very disillusioned. You may as well compare hurling to F1! As F1 drivers don't have stick and just drive does that mean their skill level is lower than hurling?

Hurling and rugby as both very skilful and you cannot measure the difference so don't see why you constantly strive to do this.

Yeah_Right · 12-04-2022 7:10pm

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That's a pretty weak effort. I could write the similar rubbish about any sport. But I'm not that juvenile.

Tom Mann Centuria · 12-04-2022 7:14pm

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Ooh what's a 50/22? Haven't kept up with Union rule changes. Is it like a 40/20 in Rugby League (the kicker kicks within his 40 metre line and out after the opponents 20 metre line, though not on the full) and his team retains possession?

El_Duderino 09 · 12-04-2022 8:57pm

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Yeah exactly. Trialed in Australia last year and introduced up here this year. Working well as a rule, I think. Someone has to cover the kick so cant committ fully to the defensive line, taking a man out of the defensive line and allows more attacking space.

sprucemoose · 12-04-2022 9:05pm

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yes youre missing loads to be honest

sprucemoose · 12-04-2022 9:28pm

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id agree with most of it minus the tokenism. i think part of why rte got the rights to the womens and U20 games a few years ago was because they lost the senior mens 6N rights. if the mens games are on tv then the womens should be too

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118914947#Comment_118914947

even taking kicking in rugby as just one of the skills, there may not be 99 different types but there certainly are many - place kicking, drop kicking, punting, spiral kicking (would love to see you attempt that), chip kicking, grubber kicking, garryowens, box kicking..........

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seriously, id just stop now since you obviously have no clue what youre talking about. since you mentioned bundee aki, have a go at tackling him if its so easy. even try talking an average player for the j2 at your local club. you'll soon find out how difficult it can be even if theyre running straight at you. thats even without adding in someone actually trying to evade the tackle with speed, footwork, fending etc,.

you might make one if the other person was to go easy on you

Man Vs ManUre · 12-04-2022 9:46pm

I don’t think you can call rugby a sport when you see a lot of fat blokes playing it. Same can be said about golf.

Fr Tod Umptious · 12-04-2022 9:51pm

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I hate rugby, but this comment is stupid

PHG · 12-04-2022 11:06pm

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Sure you would never see that in 5 a side and Sunday league football or even Junior GAA teams

Whatdoesitmatter · 14-04-2022 11:09am

Whatever about Union but Rugby League seems an utterly pointless game

Fr Tod Umptious · 14-04-2022 11:37am

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Interestingly League is the more popular game in Australia.

In NSW and Queensland it's all about League.

And in Victoria and SA it's all about Australian Rules Football.

Rugby Union is an afterthought.

El_Duderino 09 · 14-04-2022 11:40am

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I followed Union all my life so I'm relatively new to League and I know I don't appreciate the subtleties of League. The Super League is good but the NRL is another level.

But ultimately, aren't all sports pointless games? If you ignore all the social benefits of social cohesion, community, excitement and bonding through shared emotion, what point is there to sports?

Whatdoesitmatter · 14-04-2022 11:49am

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I'm glad we're in agreement about the ultimate pointless of all sports

15-04-2022 6:21pm

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I have nowhere defined skill....but you can rest assured rooting,tearing and rolling around on ground isnt to any rational human.....its a game,where i know many who took it up in late 20s/early 30s,whom play to a reasonable level..whereas,if you take up hurling at 13,your likely too late to make it at top level

You think joe canning,couldnt carry a ball and crash into someone else or "into contact",if you like silly buzzwords

F1 drivers dont have a stick,in their cars,a comparison between hurling and F1 is so bizzare,it barely merits comment

sam t smith · 15-04-2022 6:26pm

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Agreed, keep that “guff” out of this thread please.

15-04-2022 6:31pm

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Its not exactly rocket science to kick the ball,after 20 mins practice anyone can place it into a basket.....it has 2 kick spots,just off the point (kick in centre causes poor travel),pick your spot on bridge of foot.....one must seriously qs the coaching that geos on,that some many rise to pro/high level and cant even master basic ball skills,expected of kids in other sports.....afl everyone can and is expected to kick it,it being highly similar to rugby ball shape aswell

Its not a skill,display of personal excellence or exceptional motor skills,to tear down someone,whom is trained to fall to avoid injury...bravery/strength it may be,but not skill.....the bigger player,will upon overwhelming averages come out on top in scenario yous have outlined

El_Duderino 09 · 15-04-2022 6:34pm

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You're missing a great game here tonight @[Deleted User]! Lots of offloads, pumping the legs in contact, Garryowens, grubbers maybe a few rabbitholes if we're lucky.

15-04-2022 6:36pm

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Critise gaa all yous want,little skin off my nose.....

but speaking of smugy fans and pubs,those utter tossers who shush people in pubs so "the number ten" can take a penalty,need to be packed pff to the donbass or some other war torn region asap