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Appearantly Wagner has taken over Rostov-on-Don (this is where the Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu was suppose to be).
Yevgeny Prigozhin, the chief of the private military group Wagner, accused the Russian military's chief of staff Valery Gerasimov of ordering an aerial attack “in the middle of civilian cars.”
“The Chief of the General Staff has just given the order to raise the planes and open fire on the columns that are moving among civilian vehicles and trucks,” Prigozhin said. “He doesn't care who he kills. They have been killing their civilians for a year and a half instead of fighting the enemy.”
Prigozhin praised the Russian pilots for “refusing to carry out these criminal orders."
Yevgeny Prigozhin, the chief of the private military group Wagner, said a helicopter fired at a civilian column and was downed by his forces.
Prigozhin did not give any further details. The claim is one of many accusations made by the Wagner boss.
Wagner chief Yevgeny Prigozhin has said that Russian Guards and military police are joining the Wagner group.
In an audio recording from Prigozhin Saturday and translated by CNN, he claimed that, "Where soldiers meet us, the Russian Guards and military police, they wave their hands cheerfully."
The Wagner chief claimed in the recording that between 60 and 70 soldiers from the Russian military have joined Wagner forces.
Above qoutes are taken from CNN but as they note they can't verify the information. This is however verified and from CNN as well and does not bode well for Putin...
Voronezh governor says convoy of military equipment is moving along the highway
From CNN's Josh Pennington
The governor of Voronezh oblast, in southwestern Russia, said that "a convoy of military equipment is moving along the M-4 Don Federal Highway."
The M-4 is a highway connecting Voronezh and Rostov-on-Don. Voronezh is directly north of the Rostov region, where Yevgeny Prigozhin said his Wagner fighters were approaching the city of Rostov.
"A convoy of military equipment is moving along the M-4 Don Federal Highway. We request all residents of Voronezh Oblast to temporarily refrain from using the M-4 Don Federal Highway and personal vehicles," said Voronezh Governor Alexander Gusev in an update.
"The situation is under control. The region's power structures are taking all the necessary measures to ensure the safety of the region's residents."
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And here we go, Putin is giving his speech:
What I find interesting with Putin's speech (and I only got snippets that are translated) is that a lot of it can be seen as much against Wagner as it could be turned around and be used against MoD as well with a bit of twisting...
- This is a betrayal.
- The entire Western information and military machine is directed against us
- This battle decides the fate of our people.
- This is a stab in the back of our people like in 1917.
- The answer will be harsh.
- “What we are facing is betrayal. Everyone who deliberately embarked on the path of betrayal will suffer inevitable punishment. The armed forces received the appropriate orders,”
- "I believe that we will save and defend what is dear and sacred to us. Together with our Motherland we will overcome all trials. I urged the military to make the only right choice - to stop participating in criminal activities,"
- “I appeal to the Russians, the military and law enforcement agencies and to those who were pushed onto the path of armed rebellion by deceit and threats.”
- “They're pushing us to a defeat and capitulation, a strike against Russia, our people. Our actions will be brutal... As a citizen of #Russia, I will do everything to defend the country.”
Commander Zeki of a "Storm-Z unit", part of the 71st Guards Regiment expressed his full support for Prigozhin. Storm-Z are so called penal batallions and mainly consist of convicted Russian inmates. The commander himself was sentenced to 26 years in prison.
Update 1: Geolocated videos are showing Wagner presence somewhere near the M4 highway towards Voronezh. Voronezh military locations have according to some already gone over to Wagner's side. Voronezh is about half way to Moscow from Rostov-on-Don (confirmed taken over by Wagner) as a reference. Reports of Russian jets doing strikes along the M-4 against Wagner (videos can only confirm that attacks appear to be going on but likely true).
Update 2: Russian media has confirmed that Wagner has taken all bases at Voronezh and Russian airforce have bombed an oil depot to stop Wagner from using the fuel. One attack helicopter and one airplane has as well been shot down by Wagner that were attacking their columns. Russian defence forces has as well shot a civilian car to pieces killing the male driver and wounded two passengers. Not going to post pictures but it's bullet ridden and then some; videos and pictures are circulating of it.
Update 3: President of Kazakhstan Tokayev refused to support Putin called his Kazakh colleague, but he said that Prigozhin's case was an internal matter of the Russian Federation.
Update 4: The Liberal Democratic Party (Zhirinovsky’s party, which is the 3rd largest in Russia and until now a Putin-ally) just tweeted that "Putin is a pussy" along with a picture with Putin having some very impressive breast enhancements not suitable to be posted in this forum.
Update 5: Russian civilians in Rostov have started bringing food and water to the Wagner Group soldiers stationed in their city. Bad sign for Putin.
Update 6: Incoming reports that Prigozhin was lying for 2 months about the Wagner Group’s ammunition shortages. Instead, he was stockpiling for this moment and also gathered large quantities of MANPADS and Javelins captured from the Ukrainian Army.
Update 7: OSINT-project Oryx has started calculating equipment losses in the armed conflict between the Russian Armed Forces and PMC Wagner. As of now, Russian army losses are significantly higher as Wagner shot down an Ilyushin Il-22 (Air command post style airplane), two helicopters (2x MI-8 Eletronic Warefare helicopters), one Mi-35M (Attack helicopter ala Apache), a Tiger fighting vehicle (think Humwee), and a military KamAZ (military truck). The aircraft was destroyed, and the vehicles were seized. The Wagnerians, according to Oryx, lost only one UAZ (think Landrover).
Update 8: Moscow is preparing for a siege. The city is practically isolated by police and military units. All military equipment, which until now remained in reserve and in the border regions, is being withdrawn to Moscow, Ukraine’s Intelligence reported.
Update 9: Putin’s plane has left Moscow for St. Petersburg. Whether Putin is on board is not known. In addition in Moscow they are literally digging trenches and mining bridges currently. The elite are not hopefull either appearantly; more and more private jets with no declared destination or Turkey as destination appear over Moscow. They are making a run for it.
Update 10: This is more humour than anything but as it's related to the thread topic I'll toss it in because it made me giggle and we could all use a laugh at serious times like this.
Update 11: The Kalinouski Regiment, made up of Belarusian volunteer soldiers fighting against the Russian Army in Ukraine, will make a public announcement to the Belarusian people at 5 pm today. The traditional white-red-white flag will soon return to Belarus. Free Belarus!
Update 12: The Wagner Group has announced that most of the Russian Army units in the Lipetsk region have switched sides (and Wagner is now in the region; it's 4h drive from Moscow) and joined the Wagner Group military column heading toward Moscow. In addition it is reported that Wagner forces have disarmed the guards of the Rostov correctional colonies. According to eyewitnesses, they call on prisoners to join the Wagner PMC and move with them to Moscow.
Update 13: A military column of Kadyrov’s Chechen soldiers has just arrived to the Rostov region. Looks like the battle between the Wagner Group and Kadyrov’s Chechens is about to start.
Update 14: Incoming reports of Wagner Group soldiers leaving their missions in Africa and Syria to join the military coup in Russia against Putin.
Update 15: Reports of Wagner forces have ENTERED MOSCOW OBLAST, being 2 hours away from Moscow City. Notes: Below video is UNVERIFIED (the video is showing dumper trucks left to block the motorway which has been done closer to Moscow as well), and we could not CONFIRM Wagner is in Moscow Oblast, however based on all the reports we're getting, I am confident tweeting this and stating that this is likely true. We are trying to verify this in the current space.
Update 16: The 217th Guards Parachute Regiment moved to Prigozhyn. The 217th are located in Ivanovo which is about 300km east and a bit north of Moscow and would be approximatly 2000 men strong.
Update 17: Meanwhile, helicopters are hovering over Moscow and the region. In the next few hours it is expected that Wagner and supporting troops will reach Moscow.Moscow mayor said Monday will be a non-working day “to minimize risks,” Russian state media reported. “The situation is difficult, and a counter-terrorism regime has been declared in the Russian capital.”
Update 18: There’s more and more theories pointing toward Prigozhin only being the face of a larger coup, which is supported by parts of the Army and the intelligence services. The goal is to remove Putin, withdraw from Ukraine and return to making business with the world.
Update 19: The bridge over Moscow river has been disconnected.
Update 20: Some Russian units are pulling out of Ukraine and are returning to Russia in an effort to stop the advance of the Wagner Group. The Russian Army has established an air bridge to Moscow and is flying in troops from across the country (some rumours that it may be pro Wagner troops).
Update 21: Lukashenko, in agreement with Putin, held talks with Prigozhin
Prigozhin accepted Lukashenka's proposal to stop the Wagner movement in Russia and take further steps to de-escalate tensions, Lukashenko's press service reported.
Prigozhin himself has not yet commented on the situation.
The above now seems to have been an generous interpretation and while there were discussions no deal was struck as the latest update. Prigozhin confirmed there were negotiations but denied any agreements.
Update 22: And we swing again... Prigozhin just stated that he has proved his point and that the Wagner Group will stop its advance on Moscow. He says that a deal has been struck and that he is pulling his troops back to the barracks.
Full statement by Prigozhin: "We are turning our convoys around and are leaving in the opposite direction to field camps according to plan. Wagner PMC was to be closed off. We went out on 23rd June to the 'Justice March'. In 24 hours we walked short on 200 km from Moscow. Durinf this time we haven't shed a single drop of blood of our fighters. Now a time has come when blood might be shed. Understanding all the responsibility for spilling Russian blood, we are turning our convoys around and are leaving in the opposite direction to field camps according to plan."
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