Colombia legalises abortion up to 24 weeks!

EmmetSpiceland

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118720599#Comment_118720599

The majority of people in this country certainly can.

seamus

I see all the head the balls here showing deep concern for the preservation of potential children in Colombia, but nary a word about the fact that once born, the child is nearly 500% more likely to die before their 5th birthday than an Irish child.

Where your concern for the actual, living children in Colombia?

The same forced-birth crowd who claim to be all about "de little baybees", go very fckn quiet when the child is born. When the mother asks for help, she's called a slut and a scrounger and told she shouldn't have gotten pregnant in the first place.

Gowls, the lot of them.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118720622#Comment_118720622

Nice of you to prove that the pro-life brigade aren't the only ones to use hyperbolic and emotive language

robbiezero

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118720622#Comment_118720622

That is some steaming pile of dung.

nolivesmatter

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118720622#Comment_118720622

As is the normal on boards.ie the thread discussion has evolved over time to become more about abortion in general. This just looks like a massive effort from you to deflect attention away from the topic of abortion and to thwart any attempt of a discussion. If we all did what you clearly tried to do there then no discussion on boards.ie would ever gain any traction.

ohnonotgmail

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118720599#Comment_118720599

Can anyone justify a medical reason for abortion? 

anybody who has bothered to educate themselves on the subject will be able to do that.

seamus

It's a waste of time discussing abortion on boards.

People who oppose the legal availability of abortion lack nuance and refuse to consider the social, practical and logical bases of it. They have painted themselves into an ideological corner that only works if they oppose abortion at any level. If they accept any part of the rationale for the availability of abortion, their house of cards starts to come down. So instead they just shut their ears and stick with it.

I'm merely pointing out the hypocrisy here that we have a thread full of the usual suspects who'll generally bang on about people on social welfare, about immigrants and anchor babies and about crime, yet suddenly when it comes to abortion they're mother **** teresa and they're all about saving lives. All the while wilfully ignorant of the relationship legal abortion has in addressing all of their favourite topics.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118720745#Comment_118720745

Are you suggesting that its hypocritical to be against illegal immigrants, people who exploit our generous social welfare system and criminals while also being against late term abortion?

Because that's a huge leap and smacks of just a cheap attempt to smear people who don't hold the same views as you as some sort of bigots.

I don't think you are correct about the painting themselves into a corner idea either. The same could be levelled at the other side. If you accept that abortion shouldn't be available past a certain stage before birth, then it begs the question of why you think that.

There have been reasoned and honest replies on here from both sides which I wouldn't necessarily agree with but I am not so blinkered to think that there isn't some validity to their opinion.

To completely disregard anything that the opposite side says and class any discussion as a waste of time is pretty much textbook shutting your ears and sticking with your own opinion.

You are pretty much holding up a mirror to your own attitude to the debate and you don't like what you see.

ohnonotgmail

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118720831#Comment_118720831

 If you accept that abortion shouldn't be available past a certain stage before birth, then it begs the question of why you think that.

I've already explained my reasoning for thinking that so I'm not sure what question it begs?

CrookedJack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118720599#Comment_118720599

This is readily available information - a simple google will tell you this. Of course there are many medical conditions where abortion is the correct approach - for example anencephaly where 50% of those afflicted will die during birth and the the others will last only a few hours. Other genetic conditions and chromosomal abnormalities have similar outcomes.

Most of these would be diagnosed and dealt with long before 24 months.

Since everyone (at least those being intellectually honest) is saying that abortion at 24 weeks is incredibly rare and invariably for medical reason, why don't you tell us the non-medical reasons you think someone would wait until 24 weeks to get an abortion?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118720842#Comment_118720842

I did phrase that poorly and was not referencing you.

What I meant was that the poster who I quoted saying "If they accept any part of the rationale for the availability of abortion, their house of cards starts to come down." is not true. It would be akin to saying that if you accept any part of the rationale for the availability of abortion to be withdrawn, their house of cards start to come down.

It's not true and people on both sides are able to hold either opinion and have valid reasons for holding them.

GreeBo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118714751#Comment_118714751

Why is the woman's life more important than the child's?

nolivesmatter

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118720745#Comment_118720745

Even if you were right, that all of these people who take issue with abortion (and obviously not all of them take the same position, nuance was you say) were all hypocrites, that's not an valid argument in the context of a discussion about the ethics of abortion itself. But as you've admitted yourself you think it's a waste of time discussing it so I don't know why you're even here.

On a side note, there's so much going in the world we're all guilty of some kind of hypocrisy. Sounds like you have a very high opinion of yourself if you don't think you are as well.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118720902#Comment_118720902

My life is certainly more important than an unborn, to me and to my family, friends and those who rely on me.

Timberrrrrrrr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118720902#Comment_118720902

Because the woman is already alive and sentient, there may be other children in the family already who need the mother alive, there are many reasons why the mother is more important in this scenario.

Yoozername.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118720851#Comment_118720851

What do you mean “dealt with”?

Killed?

Igotadose

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118721397#Comment_118721397

Aborted, not killed. Murder is killing. Abortion is not murder. HTH

nolivesmatter

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118721782#Comment_118721782

Can you elaborate a little on that. Why in your opinion is it not killed? Putting aside any ethics one way or the other for a moment, the fetus does die. It is killed by the abortion process.

Yoozername.

Adolf Hitler didn’t consider some people to be “people” either, so it wouldn’t have been considered murder.

Shift the goalposts all you want, abortion is the premeditated killing of a human life.

Why is it considered more egregious for a pregnant woman to be murdered? Because there is a human life growing inside of her.

Timberrrrrrrr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118721885#Comment_118721885

A zygote Is a parasite and removed in the same way a cancer tumour is destroyed, it cannot grow without its host to feed on.

Now this is the part where the pearl clutching gets really intense, a zygote is a clump of cells the same as a cancerous tumour, if either if those puts the host (mother) at risk then they should be removed at the first opportunity and no amount of screaming "ButITsABaBY will change my mind on that.

nolivesmatter

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118722244#Comment_118722244

I'll try not to clutch my pearls too hard. But even granting all of that, the cancer cells can be killed.

Timberrrrrrrr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118722279#Comment_118722279

Yes, they are killed/aborted from the body. As I said I see both as the same.

Yoozername.

Comparing a unborn baby to cancer. The mind boggles.

Jequ0n

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118721885#Comment_118721885

It’s not a full human until it is born. I don’t see why this is so confusing.

Idle Passerby

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118720902#Comment_118720902

A dead woman cant carry a pregnancy to term. Is that not blatently obvious? What good would avoiding abortion do in that instance when the feotus will die with her anyway?

F*cks sake lads, have you all not had this conversation multiple times before? Just cos some "new" account decides to post something "edgy", you don't have to bite. Let it wither on the vine, with 0 replies. That's about all it deserves.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118722244#Comment_118722244

Oof. No pearl clutching on my part, but it is a little off to use that analogy.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118722519#Comment_118722519

I disagree. Do you think a baby at 8 and a half months isn't a human?

Ubbquittious

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118722519#Comment_118722519

I don't see a massive difference between cutting up a foetus inside the womb the day before it's born or immediately after it's born. After two days the effect is the same.

"Life starts at conception"

"Up to 3/6/9 months is ok"

Or any other arbitrary cut off point is just something silly humans use to justify their actions to their peers and society in the face of whatever adversary is around at the time.

100s of years from now the human population could slide into heavy decline and once again there will be calls to ban abortion and contraception. Society is constantly rewriting it's rules based on what is happening at the time

Riesen_Meal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118722535#Comment_118722535

Or just move it out of here to current affairs...

Same people with the same investment in spouting the same nonsense about countries they most likely will never even get a chance to visit...

Edit : I did use pearl clutchers also 😂