Russian warship, go f**k yourself!

jaymla627

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118791446#Comment_118791446

It’s better to die on your feet then live your life on your knees

older by the day

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118791623#Comment_118791623

That's more ould dung spouted around. It better to live away happy enough and die an old man with your family around the bed side saying what a good father you are. The lucky ones get around 80years on this earth, don't be on about dying a hero. Sher there is nothing stopping you going over to act the Arnold Schwarzenegger. Put the FCA training into practice. The politicians die in there beds, it's the plebs that do the fighting.

Say my name

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118791734#Comment_118791734

Even if you wanted to trade with the murderous dictator. You can't. It's not woke. It's not human sympathy. It's not compassion. It's the world wide modern payment system that prohibits that.

So get that out of your head. And that was from talking to someone secondhand that used to have payment going that direction.

There'll be no trade with Russia for ten years. Possibly more.

Waffletraktor

All the talk of blockading Russia forever I hope Intel/MIT etc have the brain boys/girls figuring out how to make stuff without all that rare earth minerals and that’s before people can afford stuff due to hyper inflation wiping out money.

jaymla627

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118791734#Comment_118791734

I'm alright Jack, was a perfectly reasonable stance to take when it's middle Eastern countries getting blown to bits, the Western world can't sit this one out, between China and Russia you have two regimes who literally would invade and plunder the globe if Putin gets the win in Ukraine, if Ukriane falls, Taiwan is next and after that they'll both just start picking of countries as they need resources

Easten

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118791446#Comment_118791446

This post basically explains how and why genocide happens.

yosemitesam1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118791597#Comment_118791597

Ukraine should compromise, job done.

There's no other way out.

America knows it can't take on China or Russia head on. They can be vastly superior to terrorists in the middle east with basic weapons.

But they would have to take massive damage to make any dent in china/russia and they couldn't possibly subdue them.

Their planes would be cleaned out from the sky and they would very quickly run into aircraft shortages.

What do they do then, slog it out on the ground and suffer enormous damage. All it would do is bring about the collapse of America.

patsy_mccabe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOGOKI-1Sl0

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118792239#Comment_118792239

That is where you are wrong. Military wise the US would beat the two combined. That is even before you factor in the military strength of the rest of NATO or Japan Korea and Australia in the Asia.

The UK by itself would probably manage to defeat the Russian army, with the French definitely. The nuclear threat is all Putin has now.

This conflict has shown that Russia is only really a second rate military power. Russia is a mess in conventional warfare. Would it dare use its nuclear weapons in a conflict unless it is the invaded directly.

FintanMcluskey

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118792822#Comment_118792822

What are you basing all of this on?

FintanMcluskey

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118791964#Comment_118791964

That's a great imagination, global take overs by superpowers. Sound's a James Bond plot

Back in reality, the invasion in Ukraine started 8 years ago, and is far from a simple conflict that started 3 weeks ago.

I find it funny reading the posts from all the Rambo fantasists here who want western armies in different countries to fight a war on the basis of their ideologies, despite having absolutely no chance of ever donning a pair of combats and heading East themselves.

Say my name

http://twitter.com/BBCRosAtkins/status/1503809008200790020

Say my name

Dumbing down reporting while trying to give a view of being independent and not get yourself killed by Russian authorities.

http://themoscowtimes.com/2022/03/16/fresh-blasts-hit-kyiv-as-russia-steps-up-attacks-a76951

jaymla627

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118793018#Comment_118793018

Fully aware of the back history and you could easily say, if Russia had went and took the two disputed regions gave the ukraines a bloody nose and drew a line at the disputed areas as Russian the west would probably of grumbled and imposed a few sanctions but business would of went on as usual, but trying to take the entire country would of been equivalent to Great Britiain invading the South of Ireland at the height of the troubles because of the Ira's war against the British army

Bass Reeves

The US as a military force is a proven entity. It has as many Nuclear submarines than both combined ( nuclear submarines are used for conventional walfare as well it gives me hem huge silent capability). It has a more aircraft carriers. While numbers wise as in physical army size China has s larger army .a power wise with tanks, helicopters etc the US has more of them.

Using tactical ordinance the French and British would in a conventional war mop up the Russian Army in Ukraine in a week to ten days.

Physical army size as we see from the mess the Russians are in is immaterial. It's the ability to use that army that matters.

yosemitesam1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118793198#Comment_118793198

Who is it proven against? Afghanistan, Iraq, Vietnam etc...

They've never gone up against anyone with modern weapons/defense systems.

If they start sending their aircraft around china or russia, there would be a massive attrition rate.

If they cant dominate the skys effectively, what can they do on the ground without experiencing high losses?

There is no country so far ahead of any other that they can beat another without very high losses themselves.

ginger22

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118793348#Comment_118793348

The short term objective here must be to end this war. If this means compromise on the Ukranian side so be it. The long term strategy must be for western democracy to become self sufficient for food, energy and all the trapping of modern society so we can no longer be held hostage to Russia or China.

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118793339#Comment_118793339

Ya there would be no winners from the point of damage done. However that is a two way thing but purely from military standpoint the US shod prevail.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118793348#Comment_118793348

Looking at Iraq and Afghanistan the US after twenty years in both countries has lost 7k army personnel. Private military contractor deaths are similar. Putin is trying to emulate the he US model with his Wagner group but they are nowhere near as effective.

Vietnam is always seen as a US loss. However the figures are astounding 650-950k Northern Vietnam military deaths compared to 59k US military Deaths. As in a football game you learn more in a defeat than in a victory.

The US's ability to deal havoc from a distance is incomparable to other countries.

Would it have losses yes but it would be the county that would prevail at the end

yosemitesam1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118793908#Comment_118793908

You missed my point.

They were fighting people who had only basic weapons.

Against China or Russia, it is very different. Far more advanced, it's like you're saying because x team bet the local schoolboys team they have a good shot at the champions league...

Russia has been taking losses from the start because they are not as willing to kill civilians as America is.

Modern weapons and anti aircraft defence systems mean that it's a completely different game vs Russia or China compared to taliban, Vietnam etc.

They won't control the skys and will be up against it from all sides including the fight making it's way to American soil.

ginger22

Looks like Russia is ready to wave the white flak provided Ukraine is not allowed join NATO.

dzer2

Jesus Yose,

The us wouldnt have to get out of bed to wallop Russia if it really wanted to. They sent lads to Afghanistan and Iraq to get support from the plebs even if there were losses. If Putin had all these high tech weapons he would be using them. Not hauling his big trucks halfway across the world to get bogged down when they leave the road. Your talking about the yanks not being able to suppress Putin Putin himself can't defeat a crew of farmers and the likes with bow and arrows.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118794720#Comment_118794720

I suspect China would not be far off "all hat, no cattle" in military terms. Doubt there would be the level of corruption that we have seen in russia but there will be some degree of it. Like russia, they've also fought sfa. They buy military technology from russia, what they can't steal at least. How good or bad their home bred stuff is, I wouldn't bet on it if put against Western military. Technologically the West is still well ahead.

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118794300#Comment_118794300

First off the US never carpet bombed cities, Russia did it in Syria. While the US has killed civilians it has in general not deliberately targeted them. Russia is refusing to let civilians leave cities it is attacking in Ukraine. This is because it limits defenders ability to defend urban areas.

The Russians have no defence against Stinger's anti aircraft missiles and the anti tank javilins. These are obviously much more advanced technology than the Russians have. The US and NATO have probably developed technology to counter these.

The US would easily control the skies over Russia. Not totally sure about China. But the US's real strength is to fight a war at a distance and inflict serious damage to forces it attacks. Russia has no ability to do that.

It's interesting that Ukraine is knocking out Russian drone technology but the Russians are not able to counter the technology that Ukraine has got from the West.

The hand that doesn't feed decent people, did this

https://twitter.com/KatyaYushchenko/status/1504199473077141505?s=20&t=AbHPflWDjM4XuojXvZ-05Q

and this

https://twitter.com/michaeldweiss/status/1504187445675499522?s=20&t=AbHPflWDjM4XuojXvZ-05Q

Never mind, appears it may be an artillery exercise

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118795410#Comment_118795410

Indeed, Ukraine is knocking out (confirmed) Russian equipment at a rate of 3 to 1. The fact that the Russian's can't take down the TB-2 drones is a mystery, their lack of radar jamming is a mystery. Their morale is terrible (the amount of equipment they are abandoning is staggering, Ukraine is essentially recapturing more than it's losing). They still don't have air superiority (and their pilots seem very nervous to fly into Ukrainian airspace). Their advance has reduced to a crawl, they've resorted to medieval style siege tactics. They are officially struggling - if you aren't going forward in an invasion, you are losing.

Tonynewholland

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118792239#Comment_118792239

It's up to Ukraine to compromise or not. It's looking like their army are in no mood to compromise. Another massive arms shipment heading there from America. Something like 50000 Ukrainians from around the world heading home to help defend their country. 5000 Russian marines sitting off the coast with two weeks unable to land because the army aren't in control there yet.

patsy_mccabe

I wonder is all this refusal to enforce a no-fly zone just a clever play from the Ukrainians. Let the Russians fly in and pick them off at ease, with equipment supplied from the NATO allies.

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118796519#Comment_118796519

The Ukranians would love a no fly zone. A NFZ is not really effective against low flying drones which they have the advantage with at present. As well they could unlease there tanks and attack the stranded Russian conveys. They cannot go on the offensive at present. While the Russians do not control the sky, they have the advantage of numbers. If the Ukrainian's try to use there ground forces conventionally the russians will scarfice some military jets to wipe them out.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118796564#Comment_118796564

Intelligence agencies are saying russian offensive is stalled on all fronts currently. Ukrainian forces are allegedly running a counteroffensive around Kyiv and pushing russian forces back. They are also pushing russian forces back in at least one spot in the South, can't recall the name right now. 6 or 7 russian helicopters got destroyed at Kherson airport yesterday, and there's a watch put on others to see whether they move or not in the next few day, ie whether they suffered less visible damage. A German tabloid* has reported lavrov's plane did a U turn half way to Beijing. The more support the Ukrainians get the quicker they'll push the russians out. They're getting new air defense systems, both British and S300's from Bulgaria, and switchblade 300's at least from the US (loitering munitions).

Lots of bad news from russia. They've run out of sugar among other things. There's an exodus of people. And putrid has gone full dictator ranting on TV about traitors. Oh and they keep getting their generals killed. And the arrests...

https://twitter.com/christogrozev/status/1504440205352349700?s=20&t=vHGkqX5bT-7tn4vOWl37cQ