Russian warship, go f**k yourself!

Say my name

Putin the musical in a hundred years time.

https://youtu.be/1NOjkmkanrc

ginger22

Reports the Putin is in a nuclear bunker in Surgot west Siberia.

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118852671#Comment_118852671

He could just as easy be in a gulag in Siberia. It very strange that Abramovich seem to be taking center stage at the talks. Is Putin the loose cannon to be used to secure the best deal possible for Russia?. Is he being nudged sideways. Has he shot his bolt.

russia is losing, has been since day 1.

But, notions that the war is over are premature imo. Soon the Spring intake of conscripts in russia is to happen. Whether they release the current conscripts scheduled for release will be illustrative, methinks they won't. It's likely they are or will also mobilise reservists.

"Trust building" withdrawal of troops are BS, they will reposition those forces elsewhere.

It's quick people forget russia lies, all. the. time.

Remember when they weren't going to invade Ukraine, and the hundred and whatever thousand troops on the border were just sightseeing.

Sooooo, an ammunition depot blew up.

IN russia. Near belgorod.

About 25 miles from the Ukrainian border.

I'm not sure whodunnit. Seen reports it was a Ukr ballistic missile, that it was a handling accident, or false flag for whatever purpose.

But something big did blow up.

https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status/1508878067468546049?s=20&t=OIwb-vZvK62ky1LWW4Dh6A

https://twitter.com/Sputnik_Not/status/1507084930504867849?s=20&t=ZpEycqKCSMpOeyupBeIC2w

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118850502#Comment_118850502

While this war is killing and injuring thousands of civilians and working class Ukrainian and Russian soldiers there are also significant impacts to nations that rely on gas, oil, grain and other resources.

Have a thought for those in North Africa that depend on Ukrainian grain to survive or people on low wages trying to heat their homes or get to work or education via cars etc.

The current talks seem to be having limited success.

White Clover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118859262#Comment_118859262

Russia and Russian thinking is inhumane but you still have the odd sympathiser.

The only way this will be sorted is for the west to arm Ukraine to the hilt and let Ukraine drive the Russian army out of the country and humiliate them.

The only meetings that should be happening is the ones where it is decided how best to deal with Russia going forward. Total disarmament and a complete regime change. Any talks WITH Russia now under the pretence of making peace should not even be considered.

Lol, how the mighty are falling, this oligarch can now take scenic cruises along the coast of North Korea

https://twitter.com/CovertShores/status/1509421774680821763?s=20&t=NmGtq8Rgsj8u91n8cphcIA

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118859577#Comment_118859577

I say he is delighted

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118859558#Comment_118859558

There is no doubt here that Russia is the aggressor in this conflict on the back of bizarre rationale for invading Ukraine.

This conflict is destructive and reprehensible like all wars and is also showing us yet again that there should never be a justification for war.

The idea that Russia could be disarmed and that the conflict should be upped doesn’t make sense. They have 3000 nukes.

dzer2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118859890#Comment_118859890

With the amount of NATO, US, and other military organizations watching and observing Russia, not one would get out of Russian airspace at the moment. If Vlad the bad lad thought he could use them he would already have done so

tabby aspreme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118859890#Comment_118859890

If there as poorly maintained as the rest of the Russian military equipment, there probably a bigger threat to Russia than anyone else

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118859923#Comment_118859923

Take a look at how close Russia is to America on a map and come back to me.

Putin is clearly mad. He had Europe by the nuts for energy and could have used his leverage to advance Russian interests but instead engaged in this stupid conflict that has already killed thousands of innocent Ukrainians, soldiers on both sides and ruined the economies of Ukraine, Russia and through energy hikes a lot of Europe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118859988#Comment_118859988

This is the thing I don’t get. The Russian army incompetence.

Why would they even consider engaging in a conflict if they are that badly trained and if they had any reliable intelligence on Ukrainian sentiment and the availability of tank destroying munitions

dzer2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118859995#Comment_118859995

I know how close they are. I don't think the yanks are that stupid. They have a defense system in place alright and most likely the same one in place in most of Europe. And while Vald is mad he isn't that stupid. He will stay probing as long as doesn't wake the bear.

yosemitesam1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118860048#Comment_118860048

Their hypersonic missiles are unlikely to be anywhere near as easy to detect or defend against.

dzer2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118860191#Comment_118860191

Like their up to date tanks and rocket launchers

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118860007#Comment_118860007

There is a few factors

Corruption is the first. In all western democracies defence spending I'd procured. There is contracts and checks. In Russia contracted are decided by kickbacks. There is no checks and balances and the contract winner supplies what he can get away with depending on the kickback. There new Amata tank is 2 years behind schedule. Present tanks are death traps against modern anti tank missiles. There secure communications for battle fronts what happened it??

Soldiers are poorly paid and because they see corruption above them they will do that as well. In Military compounds trucks and rubber tired vehicles that are parked up should be moved probably weekly. That takes diesel. The temptations must to do it less frequent, which leads to not doing it at all and either selling the diesel or using it yourself. I suspect selling it.

Training again the temptations is to skip it. It seems in the build up that troops were supposed to test equipment but a lot of the fuel allotted for it was traded for food or used to heat tents/ temporary structures troops were staying in.

Training! In a corrupt military it is probably very easy to use up non existent munitions and fuel. Conscripts do 6-12 month stint and then are send back to civilian life. If 50% plus of the bullets they were supposed to have used never existed who will ever know unless there are proper checks and balances. Training is obiviously poorer for it but if it has been happening for years it's ingrained in the army culture. The same with tanks and artillery shells and anti-tank, aircraft munitions.

In western armies decision making is decided on the ground by experienced NCO's and junior officers. They drive the army on with directions from mid ranking captains to Colonels, which is directed by the General staff. In the Russian army everybody is afraid of making a mistake. Therefore decision making is non existent. Poor communications caused high ranking offices to be way further forward than would happen with western armies.

TBH it's such a f@@k up it's hard to believe it's so bad.

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118860191#Comment_118860191

The risk for Putin is if they are as poorly maintained as the test of there equipment they could not date risk using them. They probably know already by the state of there guided missiles. They in general have not used many. This could indicate that these systems are comprised as well

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118860048#Comment_118860048

It’s pretty difficult to shoot down one icbm but would be extremely difficult to shoot down many

dzer2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118860322#Comment_118860322

I agree I don't think you would shoot down a US one. But from the condition of Russia has put out so far, I wouldn't like to live on a flight path that they would send one of the guided missiles on, as it is most likely to fall short.

Thinkingaboutit

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118840523#Comment_118840523

One of the claims in that Twitter thread is a bit dubious, and some replies say so. Engineers were prestigious. Many rose to high positions in the Communist hierarchy, but the usual run of engineer could find himself or herself paid less than manual workers, tradesmen. It was a bit of an issue throughout the Eastern bloc. Now I suppose the pay and prestige might be as one, non existent. Anyone with talent leaves for the West.

yosemitesam1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118860305#Comment_118860305

I dont like the way Russia's military is so easily dismissed as corrupt, incompetent and technologically inferior to the west.

The belief that all nato would have to do is show up to put them in their place is scary because it makes the chances of them engaging with Russia or China much greater.

Massive attrition on all sides is what could be realistically expected with it next to impossible for anyone to actually cement any position once started.

StereoSound

Wonder if Ukraine got to the point where they could penetrate Russian land and stick it to Putin. See how he feels about Russian citys being bombed.

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118860453#Comment_118860453

It's not dismissed, but it is corrupt, incompetent and technologically inferior to the west.

The danger of missile strikes would be if ''mother Russia'' was invaded. Putin has to worry now if he issued such an order because his plan has been a failure would it be obeyed.

The Army chief if staff, the minister for defense and Putin all have to sign off on such an order. Would they sign off on a total launch, would they sign off even on a 1-2 nuclear missile attack on Ukraine. They know the US would react and it would mean the end of the work as they and we know it. If Mother Russia was attacked ya all bets are off but for a military adventure in Ukraine?

Some elements in his administration/ intelligence/ military services are leaking a lot of details to the US. The higher up echelons in the army and intelligence services lied to him about the combat fitness of his army and the state of play in Ukraine. If he survives he will have some sorting out to do. However can he survive that sorting out.

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118860453#Comment_118860453

NATO won't engage directly with Russia because that could trigger WW3, hence it's being avoided this conflict (and in general).

Also in conventional military terms, Russia is absolutely no match for NATO.

Dohnjoe

Russia has 6k nukes, hundreds of which are on nuclear submarines that can pretty much launch them off any shore. I am sure a portion of their land based ballistic missiles are not all in the best condition but there's no doubt that Russia could flatten Europe with nukes if they wanted, several times over. Modern nukes are nasty things with multiple warheads. They can also load them on hyper-sonic missiles which are very hard if not impossible to currently shoot down.

Khodorkovsky interesting as always

https://newrepublic.com/article/165911/mikhail-khodorkovsky-interview-russian-oligarch-putin-regime-end

kk.man

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2022/0331/1289602-russia-will-enforce-rouble-payments-for-gas-from-friday/

This war and its effects are far from over. Russia just cant lie straight in the bed.