Russian warship, go f**k yourself!

blackbox

This thread used to be a useful source of information of what is happening in Ukraine.

Perhaps those who wish to debate whether Russia or the USA is worst could start a new thread.

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119827910#Comment_119827910

We all have to pay higher bills, we all don't like it, but we cannot be energy efficient on a nuclear-armed dictator who is invading Europe. We can't be rewarding his invasion by removing sanctions, we can't be funding his war machine by maintaining energy reliance on his country, we can't be allowing him to build more cruise missiles and war machinery by removing sanctions that block key components.

Essentially your position is that you want to appease a dictator to reduce your gas bill - it's hard not to notice that the arguments you are making are the very same talking points from that dictator.

jaymla627

Their seems to be alot of signs their pulling out of Kherson city, sorry the rt line will be they don't want to occupy the city anymore

roosterman71

If the Russians are pulling out, would they be thinking a couple of months down the line here? Let Ukraine lads in and set up camp. Do the liberation thing (whatever that entails) and civilians start moving back in. Then BOOOM - blow the dam?

Say my name

From an Irish context the Putin administration pays towards both the IRA and loyalist terrorist organisations. We know this as the Russian officials involved were expelled by the Irish government at the start of the war.

Not surprising as Putin himself was a handler for the head of a neo Nazi group in Germany during his East German days. He doesn't have to partake but the mission is to create chaos in Germany then and Ireland now.

From chaos the aim is to tie hands and it's the subtle form of warfare on countries.

Even environmentalists in Europe were on the Kremlins payroll with the aim of shutting down nuclear power plants and being more reliant on Russian gas. Greenpeace led the charge there with the anti nuclear protests.

There's never a benefit if you're a European country when it comes to Russia. Even now there's military planes flying in African migrants to Kaliningrad with the aim of pushing them across the border into Poland to put pressure on Poland and the EU. They won't fly them to Russia proper as it's a highly racist country and it's not their welfare that they're interested in but to use these people as a weapon against the EU, then they'll do that OK.

In short Russia is a terrorist state with the aim of spreading terror on the EU.

FintanMcluskey

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119828446#Comment_119828446

I can assure you that your not in a position to call anyone's attitude or reasoning a piece of ****.

Do you actually think it's actually going to be a case that Eastern Ukraine(where the resources are) are going to want to join the EU?

A significant portion of citizens in the region where the resources are (East)in the Ukraine are actually pro Russian.

The part of Ukraine that actually wants to be part of Europe(West) is worth **** all.

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119829595#Comment_119829595

A significant portion of citizens in the region where the resources are (East)in the Ukraine are actually pro Russian.

Polls in 2014 in the East of the country, LNR and DNR, showed that a majority didn't want to join Russia. A portion wanted some federal independence from Kyiv. Keep in mind that was the view with the heavy Kremlin manipulation of the region and the country as a whole. Apart from those polls we really have no idea what they truly wanted as they've never had any official fair referendum or vote, and now never will

Take Crimea, polls closer to 2014 there showed a majority wanted to join Russia (however a history of polls have shown large swings either way), however when the Russians conducted their illegal referendum in the region, a leak showed that only around 30% of people voted and the vote was split 50/50 (meaning only around 15% of residents voted for Russian control)

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119829595#Comment_119829595

It is when posters post rubbish, making up facts and generally disseminating incorrect information as you have here.

There has never been an independent vote by eastern Ukraine as to there wishes, not in Crimea either. There has been staged managed votes where the results are known in advance.

Tonynewholland

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119828862#Comment_119828862

They were meant have moved a lot of the better troops in there. No point in losing them and all their equipment if they have no chance of holding the city. Russia must be getting worried about Crimea at this stage.

enricoh

A fairly balanced article below in my opinion. If this war goes on for another year or two European standards of living will plummet altogether.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/nov/03/ukraine-russia-war-negotiated-settlement

Say my name

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119829781#Comment_119829781

When the Kremlin are calling for their network to get the word out that their open for negotiations you know they're in trouble.

As mentioned it's when the troops time is up and they're not returning home is when the **** hits the fan.

Until then there'll be the leave the Nazis be in Poland, those Jews never mattered anyway, your living standard is more important than those dirty Jews, ....articles flooding the ether. Basically I can't understand why you European haven't got the same low morality as your standard Russian. But don't worry we'll work on that..

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119830133#Comment_119830133

That article is entirely geared to giving into what russia wants. It's choc full of fear mongering.

yosemitesam1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119828446#Comment_119828446

Ukraine doesn't have anywhere near enough gas to replace Russia. Even if you put aside the fact that it would take a good 10 years minimum to really get what gas they have flowing assuming you had peaceful conditions.

France has more gas than Ukraine.

No benefit to controlling a few acres of grain. Europe doesn't need it, we have more than enough as it is.

We will have high energy prices until 2025-26 minimum. Lots of long term damage will be done by then if alternative supplys do come on stream in enough volume to drive down prices. But will it actually happen? Lots of investment isn't going to be made unless the potential for a return is there. Our green policies aren't encouraging this so there is a danger we will be disappointed.

Say my name

Estonia, Poland and now the Czech republic have recognised Russia as a terrorist state.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119830371#Comment_119830371

Calling it as it is 👍️

FintanMcluskey

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119830133#Comment_119830133

Good article.

Interesting to see how bad things will get

Self interest, selfishness is at the heart of some people's covert support for russia.

https://twitter.com/MuKappa/status/1588313514602819585?s=20&t=T0E2kBmco9r22HZzmXojng

FintanMcluskey

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119840279#Comment_119840279

Self interest, selfishness is at the heart of some people's covert support for russia.

Likewise for the support for the Ukraine.

Resources is at the heart of the motivation for concern for Ukranians as said in this very thread a few days back.

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119840350#Comment_119840350

Bizarre personal opinion.

This is a war, in Europe, in 2022, missiles are flying, there are threats against other European countries, we thought this kind of thing was consigned to history. It's fully re-ignited the Cold War, it's one of the most significant events of our time, as such it's in our living rooms, we are watching fellow Europeans having their lives turned upsidedown, their worst fears realised, being blown to bits.

Of course there is a huge wave of genuine sympathy for the Ukrainians, especially from us here in Europe.

It's crystal clear from your comments that you are concern-trolling the sympathy and support and attention Ukrainians are getting due to your own very bitter and misplaced world views.

Hopefully there is a way out of this soon https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/11/05/ukraine-russia-peace-negotiations/

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119842616#Comment_119842616

Depends… if Russia pull all its troops out of Ukraine, return kidnapped kids, agree significant reparations and Ukraine sanctioned to join NATO, then with a heavy heart the West will submit to leaving the 140m or so Russian serfs under Putin’s control.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119843227#Comment_119843227

It will probably be a version of that but will Poland then get the reparations they requested from Germany? Will the Native Americans be sorted out and will United get the money back for Harry Maguire?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119843252#Comment_119843252

Germany already agreed reparations with Poland. The native Americans have done deals with the US government… and I’m delighted United signed HM 😜

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119843271#Comment_119843271

I thought Poland had a fresh request lately?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119843286#Comment_119843286

They did, but they also had an agreed package previously. So… it’s going to go nowhere

yosemitesam1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119842616#Comment_119842616

Won't change anything. It's only for show as it says in the article.

Europe needs to pull support, scrap sanctions and make Ukraine realise it's time to cut their losses.

Obviously Europe is currently choosing to be on the losers side with Ukraine (and possibly Russia also). When the big economic depression takes hold, it will be too late to reverse it. Far too many have their heads in the sand and can't see how much economic pain awaits us in Europe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119843752#Comment_119843752

Russia Versus West economy…. And the West is going to lose? Riiiiiight. 🙄

The West has to stand up to pillaging warring invaders or it stands for nothing. You may be okay with the West failing and mafia state pseudo socialism (everybody is as poor as everyone else, except the Dons), but most on here aren’t.

yosemitesam1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119843757#Comment_119843757

Europe is under severe pressure as it is and conditions are only getting worse. Things will get very bad over the next few years. It's quite amazing that people can't actually see this.

What does it actually mean for us in Europe if Russia gets to change the borders of Ukraine? Very little...

Continue down this path of supporting Ukraine at all costs and we will see major change across Europe. Our economy will be a mess, and politics will undergo major shifts. The eu and euro will also come under a lot of pressure if not be at risk of collapse.

ginger22

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119843820#Comment_119843820

The impending depression in the European economy has not to do with the war in Ukraine, it is only because of insane, idiotic "green policy".

Field east

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119843227#Comment_119843227

Russia has given the very single reason why Ukr should join NATO immediately. NATO can change its rules of entry to allow The Ukr in. It may take some time for the Ukr to get its house in order but Russia’s ‘meddling’ in the Ukr AT ANY LEVEL and at any time should not be a deterrent - because otherwise Russia will continue to ‘meddle’in the Ukr to stop it from joining.

It’s the only way to GUARANTEE the INDEPENDANCE. Of Ukr