Six Nations 2022 - England v Ireland, 12/03/22, KO 4.45pm - RTÉ2, RTÉ Player, ITV1, ITV Hub

stephen_n

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118786410#Comment_118786410

Still in all your replies attacking me, you have not made one single point about rugby. Not one. I have invited you to contribute to the debate. You refuse to do so. You say it’s a clique. Yet you want to add nothing to the conversation.

So I ask you once again. How was the English scrum legal?

I fully stand over the view, that people who take pleasure in their country losing are arseholes and not fans of rugby at all. If you think they’re not, that’s fine.

Also opinions don’t = facts by the way.

stephen_n

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118786662#Comment_118786662

McCawesque, that’s probably part of what makes him world class. He has a few off days, where he gives away a good few penalties. Yet he always manages to stay just the right side of the ref.

irelandrover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118786662#Comment_118786662

The penalty on his own line was one i just couldn't understand. The ref went to view on the big screen to see if it was cynical and hence worthy of a yellow. It was blatantly cynical and yet the ref decided it was not worthy of a yellow. Why even bother going to the big screen?

Former Former Former

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118786447#Comment_118786447

Watching the game back last night, Henderson did a lot of good work around the park but he just seemed to switch his brain off every 20 minutes or so. The penalties were all unforced errors and the dropped restart was pretty slack too. Maybe his focus wasn't right after expecting to come on after 50 minutes and suddenly having to play 80? Either way, wouldn't expect it to be an issue again.

Jump_In_Jack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118786907#Comment_118786907

Agree with you, however we benefitted with Henderson's one almost the exact same infringement, so at least the ref balanced it out with the same decision. I'd have carded them both, cynical penalties defending the try-line should be punished with a card in my opinion, especially if a team is trying to get quick ruck ball to attempt a crash over the line.

dublin49

I commented on Saturday that I feel against France ,England and South Africa we need to have a special focus on a functioning scrum and may need to pick Horses for courses and cultivate a specialist tight head lock to anchor our scrum .I was told I was talking bullshite.Jackman made the exact same point last night on box.

Not saying I am right but a more considered rebuttal would be helpful.

Sangre

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118786931#Comment_118786931

Agreed - lets hope a number of those avoidable penalties were due to making poor decisions under extreme fatigue as he hasn't played a lot of rugby lately.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118786907#Comment_118786907

I was also perplexed by this as it was clearly a yellow. However, I think Ireland were lucky to avoid a yellow at scrum time as well. Maybe the ref didn't want to give a yellow to England after letting Ireland away with so many penalties? Strange one.

irelandrover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118787090#Comment_118787090

I think he didn't want to give Ireland a yellow for the scrums as he didn't really have a clue what was going on.

And i also understand not giving Itoje a yellow to balance out a few other decisions (such as the henderson one), but then why go to the big screen, show everyone a blatantly cynical act by Itoje on the try line, and then not punish him further. It was just highlighting his bad decision for everyone to see.

Yeah_Right

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118786304#Comment_118786304

Yeah I'll put my hand up and admit there was a bit of a wind up in my reply. Apologies but there was also a genuine suggestion that you shouldn't let this upset you so much. Its forum where people can talk about rugby. A game I assume we all love. I like reading posts here as I get a different perspective to my own. Some people see things, notice things or know things that I don't. Sometimes I think that's interesting and other times I think WTF! It's all a bit of fun. It's a public forum so there are no private conversations. If i feel like contributing, I will.

On the match itself, I thought ireland dominated the game except for the scrum. And it showed how important scrums are. I was very surprised because I've never seen Furlong done like that I don't think Genge is that good. I think what he was doing was illegal.

Also, I think England aren't very good. Away from Twickenham I think they are average and won't be a factor at the RWC. In saying that, I'll be cheering for them on Saturday. And I'll be sick doing it 🤮

dublin49

Jackman seemed to lay the blame for the scrum issues at the feet of Sheehan,suggesting George created a gap for Genge to Burrow into .No idea if correct but first time I heard Sheehan being mentioned as the problem.

jacothelad

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118787130#Comment_118787130

Genge is the loosehead. There can't be a gap that he could burrow in to. He however was scrummaging on Furlong's neck rather than against his shoulder. Did Jackman mean that George was separating Sheehan from Furlong so that both George and Genge were then able to both attack Furlong with little or no interference. Add in Genge turning in and the back 5 sprinting round it was all obviously planned and synchronised. Other teams over the years have used this ploy but generally not in such a brazen and dangerous fashion.

Yeah_Right

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118787369#Comment_118787369

There was definitely at least 1 scrum where Furlong got separated from the hooker. It's a good plan to attack the TH and probably not what Ireland was expecting but I don't think Genge was legal. I agree he seemed to driving in on the neck.

Jump_In_Jack

No, Jackman said the gap was made by George for Sinckler to burrow into.

His point was Genge and George both moved left in a co-ordinated effort in order to leave a gap for Sinckler to drive into. He said Healy and Sheehan shouldn't have let that gap form.

He said the Irish front row push straight on which can be too honest at times, and when we see a team wheeling it like England clearly did repeatedly we should actually co-ordinate a push towards the left more (11 o clock) whereas the video he showed Healy in particular was pointing towards the right (1 o'clock).

theVersatile

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118787130#Comment_118787130

TRK posited during the game that he thought Sheehan could be the issue on Twitter, felt George/Sinkler were targeting him.

AbusesToilets

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118787075#Comment_118787075

Wasn't that one of the big reasons Roux was liked by Schmidt?

pickarooney

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118785928#Comment_118785928

Healy won 1 turnover.

Henderson actually outscored Itoje in fantasy rugby. Which probably tells you all you need to know about that.

molloyjh

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118786931#Comment_118786931

Neither would I. He was good generally and possibly the fact that he wasn’t fully match fit for a game like this impacted too. Fatigue and good decisions don’t go hand in hand. I wouldn’t be too harsh on him, but they were truly dumb penalties all the same.

Achilles Knee

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118786631#Comment_118786631

You're in the clique Kylie. I'm not angry. Just pointing out home truths. You all reply because you know it's true and it triggers a response🙂

Achilles Knee

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118786856#Comment_118786856

The English scrum wasn't legal. They outfoxed us. If we did it to them we'd be delighted, would be saying we minced them etc.

The replies came when you got personal first.

Achilles Knee

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118787103#Comment_118787103

Thank you.

It's not fun when posters gang up on new posters.

It really doesn't bother me to the extent some think here. I'm fairly case hardened.

It's worrying about our pack, apart from the scrums, we have no enforcer. Not one hard man in that pack. We're very vulnerable to being bullied.

irelandrover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118787878#Comment_118787878

What does the last line mean. How are we bullied? What do you expect an enforcer to do?

Except maybe France this Irish pack hasn't been bullied about the park since England 2019 in my opinion. So how would an enforcer help. Would you drop a player from the team to play the enforcer?

Achilles Knee

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118786150#Comment_118786150

Kylie what form have I?

Just because you disagreed with an opinion of mine on First Dates Ireland and the word irony had to be explained to you doesn't mean you bring it to the rugby forum.

Very unprofessional.

Former Former Former

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118787589#Comment_118787589

Schmidt didn't really like Roux though.

Achilles Knee

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118787920#Comment_118787920

Our pack is full of nice boys like James Ryan, Conan etc. You need a Paul O'Connell, Brad Thorn, Nathan Hynes, Bakkies Botha etc to add steel to it. The likes of South Africa will go to town on them.

They're callow in my opinion.

irelandrover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118787958#Comment_118787958

What does go to town mean? What exactly would an enforcer do? I cant see how Paul O Connell is an enforcer and James Ryan isn't. Do you want someone to hit rucks hard, apply some dark arts, stand up for other players? Im just trying to understand what you mean by enforcer.

awec

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118787958#Comment_118787958

Ireland doesn't have any players in that mould unfortunately.

We don't even really have a dark arts merchant. Henderson I suspect is being asked to play like this a bit, but on Saturday he was just caught too many times.

TRC10

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118787958#Comment_118787958

You've just named 3 of the best locks to ever play the game. They're once in a generation players. You can't always have players like that.

What do you mean by "the likes of South Africa will go to town on them"? We haven't played them since they've got good again, but they were beaten last year by England and NZ, who we both beat. France's pack was dominant at times but they certainly didn't "go to town on us", we lost by a score in their backyard.

Would I like if we had bigger, meaner locks? Of course. But we don't. The locks we produce are generally lean, skilful and athletic. So we should play a style to suit that profile of player, which is what we're doing. When we got some flow to our attack and started moving the French pack around, they looked out on their feet.

stephen_n

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118787847#Comment_118787847

Ok that’s better. Now how would you suggest we could have counteracted them scrummaging illegally? We didn’t get minced, they were causing the scrum to wheel but we were getting penalized for it. That does not mean we were getting minced.

You attacked me for a post I made to someone else. I didn’t get personal with you. I had no interaction whatsoever with you until you had a go at me. The original post I made wasn’t intended to insult. I found the post I was replying to condescending and arrogant. I replied in kind.

Yeah_Right

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118787958#Comment_118787958

If Botha was playing now, he'd spend more time suspended than Hartley. Could be a great player but was also a dirty thug. Hynes was a penalty wasn't he? Not sure I'd want either of them in my team.

Edit: Hynes not Haynes.

Clegg

Can't say I respect the opinion of someone who thinks Ryan or Conan are soft. They're two of the most physical players we have.

Then again, I shouldn't be engaging with someone who clearly has no intention or arguing in good faith.