Did the USA play a significantly negative role in events leading to Ukraine invasion?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118890057#Comment_118890057

You should give lessons in how to miss the point completely and just spout out whatever nonsense pops into your head.

Are you not embarrassed to behave like this? Igotadose literally just pointed out that your claims and your supporting links were bullsh1t. Instead of being suitably admonished, you ignored his points and his questions and doubled-down on the bullsh1t link that has already been shown to not be worth a ****.

Honestly, you look like a lunatic who has lost their mind. You're just spouting random rubbish that pops up in your FB / Twitter feed like a random nutjob on the street corner.

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118890119#Comment_118890119

You've already posted this. Zelensky is the elected leader of Ukraine and is very much running things if you hadn't noticed. 99.9% (literally) of the Ukrainian army are not "Neo-Nazi's". It's a democratic country, very little political representation of the far-right, not threatening to any other country.

The country that is illegally invading Ukraine has mobile crematoriums, has far-right mercenaries, where use of the word "war" is criminalised with up to 15 years in prison, there's no political opposition, people are arrested for protesting, independent media is criminalised, their state TV constantly talks of invading other European countries and nuclear war, they have helicopters have "onwards to Berlin" written on them, they are nuclear armed..

And you are hysterically concerned about? A group of people you share Holocaust denial views with.

Cheerful S

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118890150#Comment_118890150

 The issue with this forum setup and member base is not a fair place to share views constructively. Post something, then seven members with the same viewpoint like attack dogs join in.

Provide solid evidence of far-right training camps inside Ukraine, the race crimes carried out by Azov, them marching with white nationalist racist banners you people do then is just downplay it. Should be ashamed of this but you are not at all. You are the kind of people who would look and turn away when the Jewish shopkeepers got beaten up in the 30s.

Russia has a far right problem of course but there is no evidence Putin allows far-right young camps to operate and zero evidence marches of the far right took place in the city centre of Moscow have never seen it.

The evidence is very different for Ukraine the state actively sponsors the far-right groups that hate all nonwhites. Their "nationalist idea" is purely white one ( kill all people with a different skin color and Russians should be killed)

Political support for the Far right in Ukraine, is a red herring, reason i don't entertain it. Hitler had very little support at the beginning- read German history very few seats won, which did not stop him and his fascists thugs from taking power eventually.

I have no interest in replying anymore further messages, members of the mob, downplaying far-right groups inside Ukraine. I talk about the military campaign thats it from now. Talk among yourself about other things.

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118890550#Comment_118890550

Right but you regularly complain about other forums and threads, generalise against hundreds of posters. Odd that they are always to blame, never you.

Every country has fanatical ultra-nationalists who loathe foreigners. Interesting how you've decided to be selectively hysterical about one group of them, while deliberately ignoring their counterparts with fascist and Neo-Nazi regalia, or any sort of context.

Ukraine is a democratic country, Russia is a totalitarian one, you are "alarmed" about the former, and openly support the latter. It's nonsensical. You have called Putin's Russia the only "sane country" in the world, and you regularly parrot his propaganda/lies, validate his actions, yet apparently you all about freedom of speech, truth and openness. You are "concerned" about war, but support every step of Putin's descent into it. Hypocritical doesn't begin to describe it.

Cheerful, not to be too obvious here, but you are a holocaust denier, a fanatical Putin supporter and a conspiracy theorist who thinks "Nazis" are behind everything. You aren't the fringe, you are all of them, put together. On steroids. Unsurprising other posters may have an issue with just a fraction of those views.

I'm loving the fact that cheerful has somehow concluded Zelensky isn't in charge and hasn't seemed to raise a single question about the messaging from Russia.... In fact, he's largely accepted all their propaganda and continuously denies the Neo Nazis in Russia...

CalamariFritti

Usual crowd fighting a big smokescreen battle with a single poster to avoid talking about thread topic by all means.

King Mob

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118891632#Comment_118891632

Dude. You've ignored the majority of questions put to you.

Do you agree with cheerful positions? Do you think he's making good arguments? Do you have any opinion on his posts at all?

Experience tells me you're not going to give a straight answer to these either.

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118891632#Comment_118891632

Most of the questions I asked you - you dodged. When you managed to answer, they rarely addressed the question

For example when I asked which US administration made Putin take the decision to invade and how, you responded along the lines of saying Zelensky made a speech 4 days before the invasion about a possible nuclear deterrent, and NATO took part in a military exercise. Neither of which remotely addressed the question.

If you can't make coherent points, and you can't support your views ("Russians aren't killing civilians") then you aren't adding anything to the discussion. As an aside, this forum is a cesspit of posters threadbanned from many other forums and threads using this as a soft target to make their spurious claims and bad arguments, most threads turn into dumpster fires as a result.

Big Bag of Chips

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