You've been looking in the wrong direction, the dangers are coming from the right.

jmayo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119775368#Comment_119775368

It appears you may not have kids or youngsters or you would quickly realise just how insidious US influence now is.

The days are gone when it was just TV shows and movies, or music.

Now it is is wall to wall with the likes of youtube, tik tok, instagram, etc.

The mindsets that originated in US colleges has moved into education establishments around the Western world, in particular the English speaking world.

As I said earlier it is laughable and actually kind of sad to hear some young Irish eejit chomping on about white privilege, parroting stuff coming out of the US. Yes the US has it and has a very sad history of it, but we in little old Ireland and in a hell of a lot of other Western countries have fook all to be ashamed of or do not owe anyone anything.

You of course drag up Britain and their Empire which is fair enough.

But should someone who hails from working class Northern England be responsible for what the ruling English elite did somewhere else decades, nay centuries ago.

If we go down that rabbit hole we might as well start rounding up Germans, or maybe even a few Romans.

Likewise you are welcome to reference Belgium, France, Spain, Portugal, Netherlands, Germany, hell even Italy, but lets leave out our Nordic friends and most of Eastern Europe who suffered subjugation much like us.

But no everyone gets targeted with the same brush simply for being white and European.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119775843#Comment_119775843

Am I not allowed edit a post now ?

Yeah no one is ever calling for open borders, but yet we never hear how many and from where exactly should be allowed.

That where the prevarication starts.

If someone says only take people from Ukraine, then there is Afghanistan, then there is the whatabout Somalis, Eritreans, then Nigeria.

And having no cap on Ukrainians is effectively an open border to Ukrainians.

And yes we know that most of them are definitely fleeing a war in their actual homeplace, but only a moron would agree to taking any amount.

We simply cannot cope.

Some of those working in the industry of course claim people have been deported even if it is a tiny paltry number after years of appeals all funded by the smucks that pay the taxes.

As for your reference to wokism of the day posts, a fair amount are about things like eejits demanding we no longer refer to manholes, we no longer refer to women getting cervical checks but people to get cervical checks.

And you damn well know that is what a lot of people complain about.

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119776419#Comment_119776419

The political class in the UK, be they Tory or Labour have never had, deep down the guts for going along with Brexit and never believed the public would vote for it.

Absolutely, categorically, zero evidence that this statement is true.

More absolute garbage. The globalists must be pi$$ing themselves laughing at how the idiot green/left wing/watermelons have done their dirty work in convincing the population that the fault of climate change is on every individual - and not on the handful of companies that control everything from Nunavut to Antarctica.

Incredible that you would write this and follow it up with the statement below.

All of these scenarios are the outcome of left wing policies coupled with globalist financial backing

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The only way out of this mess is for centre-right nationalist governments to take over and return to sovereign nations to determine their own success with carefully selected trade deals and strict immigration policies.

Like they've done in the UK? How's that going?

Well done on using the word Globalist 6 times in one post, I'm sure you've hit your quota. If you replaced it with the word 'Capitalist' then at least some of what you've written would bear some relation to the real world.

Danno

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119776632#Comment_119776632

Globalism is the only form of Capitalism that Socialists and Communists like: a handful of big powerful corporations hand-in-hand with a handful of big powerful governments. That is why they have such a horn on for the likes of the EU, and the mega corporations stay on side by changing their Twitter profile to rainbow every June. The greens and the left abandoned the working class around four decades ago now and have since focussed their efforts on destroying the middle class, nothing like keeping everyone at the one level, is there?

Silentcorner

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119776893#Comment_119776893

It's not like they have been hiding it either, they have been talking about tearing down the free market capital system (they call it the patriarchy) for some time now....altho I suspect those people actually have no idea what the implications are for everyone!

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119776893#Comment_119776893

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119776950#Comment_119776950

Jeff Bezos is the reincarnation of Karl Marx according to you guys.

I thought ye disagreed with Left wing ideals, reading these posts, I think it's more the case that ye wouldn't recognize them if they were standing at the end of the bed in the morning. This is up there with the 'Putin is a socialist' argument we had on here a week or so ago.

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119776449#Comment_119776449

As I said earlier it is laughable and actually kind of sad to hear some young Irish eejit chomping on about white privilege, parroting stuff coming out of the US. Yes the US has it and has a very sad history of it, but we in little old Ireland and in a hell of a lot of other Western countries have fook all to be ashamed of or do not owe anyone anything.

Let's talk about this, I didn't suggest Ireland needed to be ashamed about anything, I'm not sure why you are brining it up. But given that you did, can I ask do you think the recent history of examples of Irish institutions and how they treated people in their control over several decades? I'm willing to bet that there are many Irish people who view that as something that we should look back on with shame. And you might argue that that's different that it was Irish people who suffered in those cases but that makes no difference. It was the subjugation and abuse of people who were vulnerable or in a position where they were viewed as inferior and treated in this manner, that's neither here nor there.

Another poster argued yesterday that no one every left Ireland because they felt they were treated unfairly or targeted in any particular way, I'm willing to bet that there's plenty people who got on a plane or boat in order to avoid people in power in Ireland or the groups which they controlled and how they might have been able to make that person suffer. I know of two instances within my own families history where people had to, in one instance leave the country, and in another had to live a lie for a good portion of their life because of the prevailing viewpoints in the society they lived in at that the time. That that poster had no concept of that version of Ireland existing is indeed a privilege that I'm sure they would be apoplectic to be told they have. I don't know why people get so offended to be reminded to if not be thankful for the life they have, but at least to not be ignorant what they might have had to experience.

At least we now agree that no one is calling for open borders so that lie can be put to bed.

As for your reference to wokism of the day posts, a fair amount are about things like eejits demanding we no longer refer to manholes, we no longer refer to women getting cervical checks but people to get cervical checks.

And you damn well know that is what a lot of people complain about.

You're right, I know exactly what it is people are complaining about. Something practically entirely meaningless that has been passed in a Chinese Whispers style through Facebook, the Daily Mail, Piers Morgan and Niall Boylan generating clicks and annoyance every step of the way. And I know how massively inconsequential all of these types of topics are in the real world versus the amount of coverage they get. And meanwhile, people continue to struggle with medical bills, access to housing, education costs etc etc etc and jumping to the beat of those who point at immigrants and scream that they are the problem. Hence the thread title.

Silentcorner

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119777155#Comment_119777155

I disagree with authoritarian ideals, full stop. Putin is one of them, but no where near the only one. Anyone who advocates tearing down the free market system, who advocates for increasing Government reach/power, anyone who advocates for censorship is a supporter of Authoritarian ideals, we have seen over the last number of years especially the last two years and a half years who these people are...they are the one's telling you they want to tear down the system, who topple statues, who vandalise cultural hero's/tales, who demand censorship, who support Government over reach.

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119777534#Comment_119777534

we have seen over the last number of years especially the last two years and a half years who these people are they are the one's telling you they want to tear down the system, who topple statues, who vandalise cultural hero's/tales, who demand censorship, who support Government over reach.

https://www.texastribune.org/2022/09/19/texas-book-bans/#:~:text=The%20report%20released%20on%20Monday,July%202021%20through%20June%202022.

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/americas/uk-govt-introduces-stringent-anti-protest-law-in-queen-s-speech/2583888

https://theintercept.com/2021/06/12/bolsonaro-crackdown-coup-election/

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/30/hungary-jail-for-coronavirus-misinformation-viktor-orban

https://www.axios.com/2022/10/21/lindsey-graham-supreme-court-georgia-subpoena

You really think the people protesting against statues of long dead people who have been associated with unpleasant if not outright criminal acts are the ones who are demanding censorship and supporting government overreach rather than the above real world, happening right now, examples of censorship and government overreach?

xxxxxxl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119777674#Comment_119777674

The UK one was needed though. Protest all you like but don't sit on roads and alike.

Silentcorner

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119777674#Comment_119777674

I think too many Governments are too comfortable with censorship, so called "hate speech" legislation, freezing the bank accounts of innocent protesting citizens, the current US regime thankfully were thwarted in their attempt to set up a Government Department to control media/social media and to federalise elections, the New Zealand Prime Minister recently stood in front of the UN and advocated for severe Government intervention in the flow of information to citizens, the same UN who recently claimed to "own" climate science ( https://duckduckgo.com/?va=j&t=hb&q=UN+own+climate+science&ia=web )...

Did any of those leaders you linked to above, and I have no reason to disagree with you regarding the actions of some of those leaders, impose severe restrictions on their citizens over the last two and a half years?

I ask, because a pandemic would afford an authoritarian leader a brilliant excuse to expand their power and restrict the civil liberties of citizens?

I mean, the PM of Canada is in my view an authoritarian leader...his Government went further than most over the last few years...a dangerous man in my view.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119776449#Comment_119776449

The mindsets that originated in US colleges has moved into education establishments around the Western world, in particular the English speaking world.

I'm currently studying for a Masters in Education, and it's amazing just how much of the educational research or theories used come from US academia, especially where it crosses the areas of gender equality (feminism used as a desired goal rather than egalitarianism), race theory, etc. All related to equality but firmly founded in American culture (and the rather extreme theories developed there), but extended without a whimper of complaint to the rest of the western world. Which is interesting as all research tends to attract criticism, but the unique nature of American culture spawns divisions, and inequalities.. but there's very little debate about those differences. Instead, the expectation is that we should adopt American societal theories as a basis for understanding all western societies. It's the same with a lot of the women's studies rubbish which has been adopted within Educational literature as fact, when in many cases, the research used is known to be biased and inaccurate.

As you can imagine, I'm struggling not to object and just get on with the required reading for the expected examinations.

But should someone who hails from working class Northern England be responsible for what the ruling English elite did somewhere else decades, nay centuries ago

People tend to forget that most English didn't have voting rights until 1918.. so they can hardly be held responsible for everything that went on before that. In any case, modern democracy has shown just how weak the influence of the electorate is on the decisions by politicians, so I wouldn't be condemning the average American for their illegal invasion of Iraq, considering the inequalities in their system, and the elitism that exists.

It's simply convenient to blame the people for what a country does, but it's very rare that a people are conditioned to the point where they completely support their governments who are in power, and align exactly with the actions made.

But no everyone gets targeted with the same brush simply for being white and European.

Pretty much. Isn't collective guilt just wonderful? Ever notice how Black people are never blamed for the Slave trade, or Asians for the mass slaughter performed by the Mongols? Nope. White people, though, we deserve to be blamed for everything. I'm constantly amazed by the people who push this nonsense, and don't see just how ridiculous it is.

xxxxxxl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119777714#Comment_119777714

You cant go to a pub or leave the county without "Papers Please." extreme over reach. I'm no anti vaxer. I stayed in for basically the 2 years worked from home. Had 1 jab did my part.

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119777697#Comment_119777697

So protest, but make it easy for us to ignore you kind of thing?

What good do you think that will do?

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119777714#Comment_119777714

I have no issue with Governments taking medical advice to propose and enact legislation designed to limit the impact of the most dangerous pandemic any of us have lived through.

It was annoying, frustrating and by no means perfect in every way, but it was intended for the greater good and the flip side is the tens to hundreds of thousands of additional excess deaths that countries who didn't do everything they could to keep people safe (such as the UK and Brazil or Red States in the US).

Isn't that what a government should do, aim to keep as much of the people in its country safe as possible? Again, I repeat, it wasn't perfect, but when I am sick, I go to a medical professional and take their advice, not a barber or taxi driver or whoever else might be uneducated on the matter but not afraid of expressing an opinion.

xxxxxxl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119777754#Comment_119777754

Most actual protest use the picket moving around on the footpath. They are seen plenty and on the news.

xxxxxxl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119777764#Comment_119777764

Same government that you cant go to outdoor events in Ireland only to be found in the UK.

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119777719#Comment_119777719

I'm currently studying for a Masters in Education, and it's amazing just how much of the educational research or theories used come from US academia, especially where it crosses the areas of gender equality (feminism used as a desired goal rather than egalitarianism), race theory, etc. All related to equality but firmly founded in American culture (and the rather extreme theories developed there), but extended without a whimper of complaint to the rest of the western world. Which is interesting as all research tends to attract criticism, but the unique nature of American culture spawns divisions, and inequalities.. but there's very little debate about those differences. Instead, the expectation is that we should adopt American societal theories as a basis for understanding all western societies. It's the same with a lot of the women's studies rubbish which has been adopted within Educational literature as fact, when in many cases, the research used is known to be biased and inaccurate.

If you're seeing such content in academic papers as part of a Masters program, then it is an ideal opportunity for you to challenge the consensus that you perceive. I would strongly advise though you do so from the premise of researching exactly what is happening rather than writing your thesis conclusion first and then trying to make the research match it.

Also, there is nothing but debate about the differences that exist within the US, Tucker Carlson has made a career talking about them. Real and/or imagined.

Very curious of your source to suggest that 'womens studies rubbish' which has been adoped within educational literature as fact while the research used is biased and inaccurate.

On a plus side, you've no shortage of topics to select from for your Thesis focus. Lucky you.

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119777769#Comment_119777769

Come on man, those people who are walking around on picket lines are absent from the work environment behind them. They are having a very obvious impact.

Silentcorner

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119777764#Comment_119777764

But Bill Gates said recently it was just marginally worse than a flu...a virus that mainly affects the elderly I believe he said. The numbers bear that out by the way, so what he said is what many of us have been saying from the start.

But you support the removal of civil liberties we all witnessed and yet you started a thread about the threat coming from the right...you know what that makes you right?

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119777771#Comment_119777771

If the extent of government overreach you experience in your life is limited to not going to outdoor events for a period then that has to go in the category of 'Privileged but doesn't realize it' I was referring to earlier.

xxxxxxl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119777792#Comment_119777792

Ofc but there not stopping oil tankers on the roads moving chip oil around.

rdhma

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119776449#Comment_119776449

Tik Tok / 抖音 is an insidious American influence?

Chairman Xi will be amused.

xxxxxxl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119777796#Comment_119777796

Going out is not a privilege in a functioning western society. Maybe in some Utopia like NK.

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119777793#Comment_119777793

Link to Bill Gates interview/comments please so we can see what exactly he said and in what context.

This is what the World Health Organization say on the numbers.

https://www.who.int/news/item/05-05-2022-14.9-million-excess-deaths-were-associated-with-the-covid-19-pandemic-in-2020-and-2021

And if you want to talk about the removal of civil liberties, then lets go back to the US after 911 and the introduction of the Patriot Act and then the 2 decades of war that decimated at least 2 countries. All as a consequence of the deaths of 3000 people. Or about the same number that are dying a week from it 30 months after the outbreak started.

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119777813#Comment_119777813

The privilege is that if that is the extent of what you (or whoever it was mentioned it) have lost the opportunity to experience, then you really don't have it too bad.

Silentcorner

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119777821#Comment_119777821

Go see for yourself...you won't see me defending the actions of the Bush's or the Clintons...they are steeped in corruption.

xxxxxxl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119777821#Comment_119777821

Yup again it's great not to Live in the USA. Why does everything have to go back to the USA.

xxxxxxl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119777830#Comment_119777830

It's not a privilege. Monkey pox was the new pox why did we not close down for that ?

Danno

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119777796#Comment_119777796

Ahem...

https://www.thejournal.ie/dublin-black-lives-matter-protests-5112328-Jun2020/

Lest we forget those in their "THOUSANDS" (as per the very truthful Journal.ie left leaning rag) who openly defied the "not going to outdoor events for a period".

But that was grand, they were a left wing march and only got tut tuts, despite hardly a face nappy in sight while defying rules to "limit the impact of the most dangerous pandemic any of us have lived through."

Have you cast enough rope yet?

xxxxxxl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119777845#Comment_119777845

Aww I was going to post that later. 😀