You've been looking in the wrong direction, the dangers are coming from the right.

lmao10 · 10-11-2022 10:36pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119859204#Comment_119859204

Cheers. It's a shame I wasn't born in the 1300s eh?

Tell me how · 10-11-2022 10:39pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119859059#Comment_119859059

What is my act? Pointing out that someone mentioned in the last week as a possible VP candidate beside Trump is speaking at rallies arranged by known extremists?

Maybe stop looking at me thinking I've some act going on and look at what is happening right in front of you.

One eyed Jack · 10-11-2022 11:31pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119859373#Comment_119859373

Maybe stop looking at me thinking I've some act going on and look at what is happening right in front of you.

In keeping with the thread title - depending upon which way I’m facing, Russia and the US are either on the left, or the right 🤔

Mad_maxx · 10-11-2022 11:54pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119858217#Comment_119858217

You think no women in Florida voted for de santis?

11-11-2022 1:09am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119859214#Comment_119859214

I just want to know the truth. I don't care about anything else

xxxxxxl · 11-11-2022 1:13am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119859996#Comment_119859996

All depends on who is getting shot. If it the right kind then it's fine. If it's "Shot" while protesting mother of 3 or what ever we would not be arguing over police orders.

Tell me how · 11-11-2022 1:27am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119860005#Comment_119860005

Well, if it the group protesting had brought along a mock gallows, was screaming they were going to hang someone and attack others, were actually attacking police and they refused to stop trying to break in to a building, you won't find anyone arguing strongly that it was unjust.

Let's be specific, what do you think, do you think the shooting of Ashli Babbitt was justified or not? I'm not asking for a strawman argument to deflect from the question, its a Yes or No type question.

xxxxxxl · 11-11-2022 1:42am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119860035#Comment_119860035

If I was the guy ? probably would have shot yes. But for me it just seems the right kind of person got shot.

Annasopra · 11-11-2022 7:41am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119859996#Comment_119859996

Not convinced

https://youtu.be/MMzd40i8TfA

Backstreet Moyes · 11-11-2022 9:13am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119858510#Comment_119858510

Did you find those links to your conspiracy of the arson attack the other day?

Large bottle small glass · 11-11-2022 2:08pm

The reason right wing parties are gaining ground is the left for a generation haven't represented their traditional base.

Between UK Labour, USA democrats they have stopped focusing on class (as most of population where doing ok out of capitalism) and focus overwhelming on race/gender/climate policy than looking after the working class/lower middle class.

Home ownership across the western world is getting more and more out of reach for more and more people. That's where the left should be hyper active rather than banning some lesbian speakers in a Nothingham library.

The divide between north and south in the UK has never been wider and the Conservatives still won there in the last election. Why?

If I'm a small white restaurant owner in the USA how do I vote democrat when I was deliberately and effectively excluded from Covid federal grants on the basis of my race and sex. The answer to endemic racism in the USA isn't a new form of it. Such policies are every bit as harmful the hate spewed by the far right.

If the moderate left and right don't represent and speak for a generation who have less opportunity than their parents they will lurch to an extreme. France is already 50% between Trotskyists and the far right. Sweden, Poland Hungary have also lurched.

It's coming here, it's not clear when or the direction.

11-11-2022 2:54pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119860035#Comment_119860035

The group Ashli Babbitt was in was doing none of those things, as can be clearly seen in the video of the incident widely available online, and I have posted twice now from the Washington Post. I hope you are never on a jury, as you would convict someone based off what some other people did. Seems that is the definition of bigotry.

11-11-2022 2:57pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119860203#Comment_119860203

I've been posting verifiably true statements and footage from left wing media sources here and people just continue to ignore it and spout their own preconceived ideas. So yeah no point anymore.

Tell me how · 11-11-2022 3:02pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119861720#Comment_119861720

The group that Babbitt was in and the group that stormed the capitol were one and the same ffs.

That aside, in relation to they were doing none of the things I referred to, and specifically this 'they refused to stop trying to break in to a building'

She was literally shot because she refused to stop from trying to enter a place she was being told not to.

You do know that in the US, if you take part in the planning of a crime, even if you don't ultimately get involved in carrying it out, you can still be prosecuted as if you were involved in every step of it. You clearly have an opinion on matters that vastly outpaces your knowledge.

And this is irrelevant given her actions at any rate.

11-11-2022 3:06pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119861754#Comment_119861754

What group were they?

Tell me how · 11-11-2022 3:24pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119861777#Comment_119861777

This group.

They've not being arrested, charged, prosecuted and jailed for being members of any group. All this is being done because of their actions on that day.

11-11-2022 3:27pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119861873#Comment_119861873

Trump supporters. That's what they are. That's not a group - just as Biden and Obama supporters aren't a group.

Tell me how · 11-11-2022 3:38pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119861507#Comment_119861507

Can you provide evidence of people being unable to access grants because of their race and not just rumors of it. Before you do so, I'm willing to bet that there were grants specifically for minorities to access in parallel with grants for all other businesses.

In the UK, in the disastrous mini-budget the tax cuts were specifically were granted to big business and bankers and of course the whole concept of trickle down economics has benefitted the wealthy way more than those at the bottom. That was and is a conservative philosophy.

It's very selective thinking to blame the left in the UK when the right have been in power for 12 years during which time those who fall under the classification of being impoverished, as has the numbers of food banks in use.

The housing crises you talk about is heavily influenced by noncontrolled rental markets and in the case of Ireland, the enabling of hedge funds to buy entire developments and to then control the rental market. Again, right wing philosophies.

And people have voted against their best interests, largely because of the ability of people on the right to control the message whether through print or TV media, or through empowering those such as Farage who was given a constant soap box to point the finger in a particular direction so people didn't look at who really was impacting them negatively.

And you're absolutely right about Sweden and Italy etc, but those who recently went there before them such as the US and Brazil and the UK are showing that people don't wait too long to change their minds back again either.

Part of the reason of this thread is to put a voice in to the conversation about what is happening so that something more draconian does not emerge in Ireland. We had clowns talking about Irexit which was foolish enough before Brexit, the fact that they continue to do it shows how devoid of logic they are.

Tell me how · 11-11-2022 3:41pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119861895#Comment_119861895

Yep, and Trumps supporters collectively at his behest and in order to try to initiate him keeping power broke the law, frequently and repeatedly.

Obama and Biden's supporters have done no such thing. You can't both sides this.

P.S. Just saw you said Trumps supporters can't be identified as being in group, absolute nonsense. Why can't they?

Tony EH · 11-11-2022 3:42pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119861754#Comment_119861754

She was shot because she was a fucking idiot who believed Trump's lies about a "stolen election". She shouldn't have been anywhere near the Capitol that day.

Play stupid games...

Tell me how · 11-11-2022 3:45pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119861964#Comment_119861964

You're completely right in her motivation.

But there were a lot of people there that day who fall in to the same category, she was shot because she ignored a warning from a police officer to not break in to a restricted area.

Large bottle small glass · 11-11-2022 7:12pm

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2021/06/14/business/restaurant-relief-fund-covid-sba.amp.html

NYT no less. It was a pretty big deal in states.

I'm blaming labour for being so out of touch with their base that they turned to the sitting conservatives, who of course lied and fcuked them again.

The point is, in case you missed it, is the left is so populated with people removed from the trials of ordinary people that they gave the worst government in living memory an overall majority.

We will have a lurch here. Housing crisis with no honest conversation around immigration numbers and planning for them(like a civil Republic should) will be the fuel which a deep recession might spark.

We need a constitutional change on land rights to sort property problem ( as some high court judge reported 50 years ago) and behave like adults around sensible numbers to take in.

It hardly matters where the party to take advantage of that comes from, there's a lot in common between the extremes.

Tell me how · 11-11-2022 8:16pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119862743#Comment_119862743

The point is, in case you missed it, is the left is so populated with people removed from the trials of ordinary people that they gave the worst government in living memory an overall majority.

Except, that isn't the case. Neither in the UK, or the US. Nor Ireland either for that matter.

Speaking about Ireland and the housing crises. The biggest reason for this is the subservience to external hedge funds and the continued acceptance of people hording properties in Ireland. There's over 150K properties that fall in to that category in Ireland. It seems to me people are only bringing housing in to the conversation so that they can flog their usual topic, immigrants. Not so long ago, when there was less focus on immigration numbers, but still housing issues, people on here were quick to say that people looking for housing in Dublin should go down to Roscommon or whatever. They've stopped saying that for now, because they use it to blame refugee numbers.

Also, fyi, in that link you posted, it literally says that the policies were trying to facilitate underserved communities. Isn't that what someone else says on here, 'When you're used to privilege, equality feels like oppression'.

And to the UK for a second, some of the biggest proponents of Brexit were the Hedge Fund Managing Jacobs Rees-Mogg, the former Hedge Fund Manager Nigel Farage and their current PM is one of the richest men in the country. FFS, Marcus Rashford had to embarrass them in to providing school meals to kids during Covid. We've seen Tory MP's abscond from their duties to work at second jobs in the Carribbean (Geoffrey Cox), go on several holidays (Boris Johnson) appear on reality TV from Australia (Matt Hancock), be penalized for not disclosing that they were lobbying for companies (Andre Bridgen / Owen Patterson / David Cameron) But you think it is the Left who are removed from the trials of ordinary people. That's just mudslinging the likes of which Tucker Carlson goes on with when he accuses AOC of being an elite (despite her working as a bartender before being elected and having a mother who worked 2 jobs to support her). Tucker the heir to the Swanson Food empire that is of course.

Elsewhere in the US, the man famed for having a gold plated apartment was held up to be the person with the interests of the working people in mind whereas Bernie Sanders, a lifelong workers rights advocated is castigated as being radical socialist. It's also worth noting that Republicans voted against fuel company profiteering, cheaper medications, child tax credits, prosecuting rich tax credits, an initiative to overcome the baby formula crises, amongst several other legislative pieces focused on helping wider society.

Blaming Labour for their failings is acceptable. Corbyn's weakness on Brexit led to a Tory supermajority in 2019 and Starmers weakness in various areas now isn't ideal either. But that cannot be used to absolve the Tories for their Governance. The Daily Mail came out last week blaming Ed Miliband for the economy. A man who was leader of the opposition for 5 years that ended 7 years ago. Absolute nonsense.

Large bottle small glass · 11-11-2022 10:28pm

"When you're used to privilege, equality feels like oppression"

Except it isn't equality when it specifically excluded people on the basis of race and gender, as a number of US courts found.

You sure Labour hasn't considerably turned its back on working class people?

https://www.ucl.ac.uk/news/2018/jul/decline-working-class-politicians-shifted-labour-towards-right-wing-policy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119862991#Comment_119862991

Do you think a number exits on the number of refugees we can accept or should we just have open doors?

It won't effect me; it will effect people on housing lists, public waiting lists, medical card GP appointments etc etc. There's a whole host of guys with run down **** hotels making a fortune of it (while local business's lose out as there is less tourism). It'll effect the people at the bottom of society the most not the Irish Times reader who want s to feel good about himself saying all are welcome.

We see what has happened in Sweden, do we walk like lemmings into that or maybe start an honest conversation around sensible numbers, proper provision of services, integration etc etc. Should we learn from the UK; what nations have integrated best, what has worked best for them etc etc.

Do you think we can put a number on what we can take? Why bother with census, road/school/infrastructure etc planning when to even discuss it one is labeled a xenophobe?

Overheal · 13-11-2022 1:04am

"Right Wing Death Squad" reads the badge.

https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1591557936605982720?s=20&t=8Bpsrt3IrGUzMPh2UIvwrQ

xxxxxxl · 13-11-2022 1:09am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119867748#Comment_119867748

Sure you have nazi groups and the kkk they seem to be allowed walk around.

patnor1011 · 13-11-2022 6:20am

Murica is full of idiots who (lack brains so they) like to put their guns on display. It seems some poster think it is one sided and only right leaning militia does that so lets put them at ease. Right leaning idiots will be met with left leaning idiots and lets hope darwin was right and we get to see both extremes to selfdestruct.