You've been looking in the wrong direction, the dangers are coming from the right.

xxxxxxl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119922989#Comment_119922989

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/drag-storytelling-event-for-children-cancelled-due-to-degrading-comments-1.3861377

Ignore all the homophobic nonsense nothing was presented. As per just remarks no actual evidence.

“However, following a review in terms of age appropriateness, this event will not now go ahead at this time, and may be rescheduled as part of a future book festival line up.”

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119923017#Comment_119923017

Ah yes, even though they said they receive homophobic abuse, you seem to be sure that this didn't happen. How can you be so sure?

Also, they do say that they had performed the event 3 times before. Sure then there must be evidence of the show not being suitable? Can you provide a link to someone saying such at the time the show was held.

xxxxxxl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119923071#Comment_119923071

They say a lot of things they have not linked to these other events so No idea. The library did due diligence and cancelled the event. Normally if something has substance the news article would include examples. None forthcoming So it never happened or it was interpretations on it being homophobic. Like saying a man cannot become a woman. Or saying Drag should not be exposed to children.

patnor1011

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119923014#Comment_119923014

I am not arguing anything. I am pointing to the simple fact that you keep mis gendering this individual even though you know them/they is LGBTQ person. It is likely that you do this on purpose. Them being LGBTQ does not suit your agenda where you try to pin blame for this shooting on some imaginary straight white man anti LGBTQ alt right conspiracy.

From what we know it is clear that in this case you are completely wrong.

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119923197#Comment_119923197

I can assure you that I am not misgendering anyone on purpose. I do have zero respect for this individual and wouldn't be inclined to go out of my to show them any. I nothing them, not even the act of trying to undermine their desire to be identified in a particular way.

My position is that right wing hate brings hurt and death to vulnerable people, that's it. I do think it is likely that the motivations of the shooters father which was explicit, is likely to have been a significant factor. Even if it was for the shooter to project on the group despite feeling a part of it. The evidence of the shooters hatred, their fathers viewpoints, and that they had expressed this to the shooter, is irrefutable.

There is no evidence to say that I am wrong in this respect, or that any other instance of being jilted or turned away is what happened. Such evidence may emerge, but it hasn't to this point so you're going to have to clarify how my evidence is incorrect, but you're asbent evidence is more likely to be the case.

And all of this aside, to state once again, my position in relation to that event is that is surrounded by right wing hatred of a particular community. You can try to twist my position in to something else if you wish, you are doing so without cause.

xxxxxxl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119923344#Comment_119923344

Any extreme views can lead to violence. Not just right wing ones. You can have anti abortion one side pro other kicking lumps out of each other. You can have A guy standing on a street corner preaching the lord then some LBGT person shouting into their face. The problem is not right or left its the extreme elements. In collage for example in debates you could be given an assignment that is a anathema to you but have to argue and debate the point. Problem is the left very rarely accept there side has extreme views.

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119923384#Comment_119923384

Of course you've extremists on both sides.

But, the extremist views on the right jnclude those that are echoed or supported by very high profile media personalities and elected officials, right up to the President of the US, or PM of the UK etc.

And they are specifically entrenched in hate.

You can both sides this in terms of message, messenger and impact.

Look at the US again, extremist politicians on the right are for removing access to healthcare, denigrating specific sectors of society and prioritizing the interests of corporations. Extremist politicians on the left want at cost insulin, access to Healthcare and protecting the environment.

These are not equal elements.

xxxxxxl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119923474#Comment_119923474

No the left are just as bad We have Wallace and grommet supporting king orc. Wanting Ukraine to surrender. All while ignoring LGBT problems in russia for example. Had guys up north kicking lumps out of people for a political meeting.

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119923483#Comment_119923483

Go read the OP.

What is most negatively impacting the societies most of us live in, is right wing policy and rhetoric.

I disagree completely with Wallace on his comments on Iran, and Russia, but to equate this with the things actually affecting people is nonsense.

Also, we're still quite a way from Left/Right ideologies being the defining trait of people in the north so I'm not sure what point you were trying to make there.

xxxxxxl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119923542#Comment_119923542

Antifa went to bash the fash From Dublin mostly. That should be seen exactly the same as right wing nutter attacking asylum seekers. Lucky our right only seem to shout stuff and not act out the old violence unlike the left kind here. Wallace is affecting people he has a vote and choses to not support actions against russia. Exactly like the suggestion religious nuts are up all the way to the old POTUS.

drivingmissdaisy

The so called right promote

physical fitness

independent thought

The left say they are the bad guys.

The left offers sexual degeneracy

I am veering right after many years of leaning left

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119923607#Comment_119923607

The so called right promote

physical fitness

independent thought

Is this physical fitness promotion best exemplified with Tucker Carlson radiating his balls? or Ronny Jackson saying Trump has the energy of a 16 year old?, or Alex Jones hawking imagination pills or whatever they are?

And with respect to independent thought, do you think that is evident in their anti-education stance and love for everyone reciting the pledge of allegiance every day or do you think wanting to govern using Christian guidelines is evidence of independent thought?

The left say they are the bad guys.

The left offers sexual degeneracy

What do you mean about the left offering sexual degeneracy?

I am veering right after many years of leaning left

I have close to zero belief that anyone who claims to have veered to the right in recent times was ever anything close to being ideologically aligned with the Left. If they said they were when they were younger, but then changed because of 911 or whatever, then maybe. But no one who watched the behavior of right wing groups or many individuals in the lest 5-10 years and said actually, more of that please was ever left leaning imo.

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119923547#Comment_119923547

Exactly like the suggestion religious nuts are up all the way to the old POTUS.

Nonsense. Wallace is one vote out of 705 MEP's, Trump was the literal President of the United States.

Here he is praying with people from various religious organizations.

And here's one of those people, his one time spiritual advisor, Paula Michelle White-Cain praying for his victory after the 2020 election...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyZpJX7Ww0M&ab_channel=TRTWorldNow

Pity that for all their claims about reverence of the bible, no one of them seem to have taken Jesus' warning of being wary of false prophets in to account.

Edit to add: Watching that again, it's just so bizarre that she is calling angels from Africa and South America to come to America to give Trump his victory, when he was so publicly against people from such locations travelling to the US. Absolutely mental stuff.

Tell me how

I posted about this story already, but this image is worth including.

Note, the Tory government refused to give even cost of living pay rises which are now going to go on strike, and when they do, they will point the finger of blame at them for missed appointments and delayed surgery. They awarded the nurses during the pandemic with a few seconds of applause on the door step and meanwhile this was what they were doing for their friends.

Of course, even this pails in to insignificance when compared to the theft of public money that the track and trace fiasco was, but how often do you see that discussed in the media today?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119923344#Comment_119923344

It seems you'll blame the right no matter who commits the crime.

In this case the person who committed the mass murder at the Q Club is a trans non-binary person.

"Nothing" them all you wish, you cannot erase this fact.

Fandymo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119921933#Comment_119921933

Drag Story Hour, Drag Shows for Kids, celebration of drag kids and so on, Mermaids and other institutions which are now thankfully being investigated more.

It’s all there to see.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119924085#Comment_119924085

A trustee for Mermaids was found have paedophile-group links. Mermaids itself is being investigated for a total lack of safeguarding for children. Financial backing has been withdrawn from the organization. Over 1,000 families are suing the Tavistock clinic over a similar lack of safeguarding.

On the other point, you'd have to wonder why some people seem absolutely desperate for these drag shows for vulnerable kids to take place?

What is the motive, so strong, that these events need to take place?

Put another way:

Why would some adults demand that adult entertainment providers read stories to children?

There's something very sinister about the whole thing.

"The dangers are coming from the right", says the thread title, yet what we are seeing in the real world is the exact opposite.

Fandymo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119922532#Comment_119922532

No, YOU are intentionally muddying the waters. Panto isn’t, and wasn’t, ever drag.

TomTomTim

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119923640#Comment_119923640

I have close to zero belief that anyone who claims to have veered to the right in recent times was ever anything close to being ideologically aligned with the Left.

Absolute pig headed nonsense. You simply refuse to accept that anyone could be put off by modern leftism, an ideology that barely resembles historical leftism, simply because it suits you. Your whole theory relies on the the most obvious of mistruths, that the left hasn't changed at all, so why would people leave the left.

Outside of Marxists who've always been fans of authoritarianism, there was once large amounts of the left that believed in things like freedom and liberty, things that are considered radical and dangerous by the new wave that's taken over the left.

Mad_maxx

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119924165#Comment_119924165

Christopher Hitchens went to his grave ,declaring himself a “ man of the left “ , he would not only not recognise the left today but would have his card marked as a preacher of hate by the WOKE

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119924411#Comment_119924411

The left used to be about working people, largely organized by working class people, and their rights and the need to stand up for them.

This was when the left was good.

Today, the left is populated by middle / upper middle class types who hate working class people and call them racists and fascists, and who want to sow as much division among and between as many demographics as possible.

That is some gigantic shift. And a negative one at that.

Mad_maxx

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119924653#Comment_119924653

Things changed in 1989 , the middle class intellectuals of the left gave up on the economic fight and capitalism was content to leave the cultural space to them , since then the left has more or less entirely focused on cultural issues

a sort of devils grand bargain also emerged whereby the left got free movement of people ( multiculturalism agenda ) but the 1% saw borders for capital and cheap labour come down ( globalisation)

TomTomTim

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119924665#Comment_119924665

a sort of devils grand bargain also emerged whereby the left got free movement of people ( multiculturalism agenda ) but the 1% saw borders for capital come down ( globalisation)

This is it. The capitalist class and the cultural left both got into bed with each-other without the left ever knowing that they shared a bed. The left go their mass immigration in the name of "enrichment" and "inclusion", the capitalists go it in the name of workers and lowering wages. Both groups got what they wanted, yet still the left pretends to be rebel against the capitalist class while doing their bidding for them. A great example of that is all the supposed "anti neoliberals", who seem to spend a lot of their time supporting neoliberal institutions.

Rothko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119924119#Comment_119924119

Anyone who defended that is immediately suspect.

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119924165#Comment_119924165

This old BS again.

The difference between me and you is when I'm complaining about the right, I'm pointing to real and present individuals, philosophies and ideologies that are impacting people negatively in real ways.

Everyone on here refusing to acknowledge this is bleating on about their interpretation of marxism from 100 years ago or whatever or getting worked up about supposed concerns from drag show artists reading books to kids, which seem to be inconsequential in the real world given the complete absence of anyone able to link to an event or article that shows what it is they are saying is happening, is what is happening.

We're 1000+ posts in to this thread, and no one has been able to counter the principle message in the OP and here you are again with the same old nonsense without a hint of irony.

Which ideology is refusing women the freedom and liberty to control their own bodies, or for people to identify in their preferred way, or even to marry who they want to? Which ideology stripped the freedom and liberty of millions of people in the UK to travel and live and work throughout Europe however they wished? Not to mention the freedom and liberties that are going to be taken from future generations as the climate issues are exacerbated because of current right wing ideologies

Why don't you tell us what freedom and liberty the left are removing from people that affects most of us when compared to these.

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119924085#Comment_119924085

You mean like this?

https://twitter.com/joe_warmington/status/1595802828257239043

Tell me, which is weirder, the performer entertaining a room full of kids and their parents? Or the weirdo filming it from outside a window?

Tell me how

I'm sure people on here have been playing close attention to the goings on an Twitter in recent weeks.

And no doubt, they are delighted at the return of free speech* and probably also at the manner in which Elon is engaging with various accounts and the message that he is putting out there.

Here is one of the individuals that Elon has been happily engaging with, in manners such as this tweet.

https://twitter.com/MeidasTouch/status/1596277607431294978

This next tweet gives an insight in to this indivdiual.

https://twitter.com/IASmovement/status/1596210288784994304

I spent a good part of last night on here asking people which they felt was more negatively impactful to children, drag show story hours, or the child beauty pageant environment, no one actually answered that question I'm pretty sure and so I'm asking it again here.

And also, about this individual above, why do you think Musk is comfortable with engaging with this character while simultaneously claiming to want to stop children being put at risk. Or do you not see the hypocrisy turned all the way up to 11 here?

* Free speech in the new Twitterverse must not make fun of Musk or be focused on discussing overtly fascist organizations. Down with that sort of thing.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119925252#Comment_119925252

The performer is an adult entertainer.

I disapprove of adult entertainers doing anything with children.

Igotadose

As to the question of where the danger is coming from, well, Colorado has red-flag laws, so for example if you threaten to blow up police officers with a home-made bomb like the shooter did, in 2021, they might take your firearms away. Unfortunately, Colorado Springs claims to be a '2d amendment sanctuary' and is refusing to enforce that law.

So, tell me, which side lobbies for '2d amendment sanctuary' laws? Seems like a blatant threat from the right - 'never mind those pesky laws, do what you want with your firearms.'

As to drag shows, etc. isn't it great there's freedom of speech in America, we wouldn't want to deny that now would we? And, if the shooter is nonbinary, having been raised by his meth-addicted violent ex-porn star Mormon father who instilled a 'violence solves things' ethos into his son, whose grandfather was mayor of Santee California when there was a school shooting but downplayed it, and later in life became a 2020 election denier, well, I'd say this shooter was raised with a strong right-wing bent. Nonbinary can be right-wing, too.

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119925342#Comment_119925342

Thanks for stating so bluntly the entirety of your dislike of this is based on your own perceptions of what people are and not what it is that they are actually doing.

An ounce of critical analysis would suggest that it is very possible that people can compartmentalize their lives in appropriate ways. Should we assume that you can't give you don't think others could?