You've been looking in the wrong direction, the dangers are coming from the right.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119933211#Comment_119933211

The media aren't perfect. Nobody, nor any organization, is above criticism.

That doesn't make Trump a fascist that was motivated to turn the USA into the North American equivalent of North Korea.

Can you not see how ridiculous this all sounds to ordinary people?

It's beyond laughable at this stage. It's utterly embarrassing.

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119933211#Comment_119933211

Like, if there was one angle you wouldn't take to try to convince people Trump wasn't what they said he was, it wouldn't be to claim he didn't try to suppress the media.

Like, even people who pay next to know interest in politics are familiar with the phrase 'Fake News' and how that lad used to use it to avoid talking to certain reporters.

One eyed Jack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119933174#Comment_119933174

I don’t mind admitting I really am struggling to understand it! 😂

It’s why I’ve been following the thread from the beginning, trying to figure out what I’m missing, that maybe I’d been too hasty in my original response. It just seems far too obvious that you’ve gone to as much effort as you have done, and your position fundamentally amounts to your observation that people don’t share your concerns, and you don’t share their concerns either?

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119933225#Comment_119933225

Why are we bringing north korea into it? Reducio ad absurdum now?

Can we go one argument from you not founded upon a logical fallacy please.

Trump certainly is a fascist man who expects to rule by his word alone (or his mere thought - see the Mar a Lago case), and failed to establish an American form of dictatorship when he failed to delay the peaceful transition of power on January 6, 2021.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119933240#Comment_119933240

Trump certainly is a fascist man who expects to rule by his word alone.

And that's where my engagement ends with this line of debate.

Some positions are quite simply self-discrediting.

I'll let everyone else adjudge the ridiculousness of the sentence above quoted.

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119933225#Comment_119933225

Can you not see how ridiculous this all sounds to ordinary people?

Look, I know you're a big fan of GB News and if by ordinary people you mean their target audience, then of course. But there's another 90% plus of the population out there who don't fall in to that category.

It's beyond laughable at this stage. It's utterly embarrassing.

And yet you continue.

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119933239#Comment_119933239

Still don't get it.

Sorry, I don't know what to tell you.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119933243#Comment_119933243

You wait as long as you want for your friends to log in with your internet points, but Trump literally made the case, in a televised event, that as President, if he thinks something, then that's how it is -- if he merely 'thinks' something was declassified, therefore it is.

I don't know how to make this any simpler or objective for you. That's nothing short of dictatorial.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-claims-presidents-can-declassify-documents-even-by-thinking-about-it/

Tell me how

@nullzero

It wasn't just people who don't like Trump who thought Jan 6th was a sign that it could be a part of a series of unsavory events.

https://twitter.com/ryanjreilly/status/1597291992282648577

xxxxxxl

Can we change the Title danger is coming from the American right.

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119933861#Comment_119933861

And do you want to start separate threads for Brexit, the war in Ukraine, the impact of rampant capitalism the concern about the climate etc?

xxxxxxl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119933867#Comment_119933867

None of them are right wing. russia is not a rational actor not right or left it's gangsters. Brexit happened sorry for those that don't like it. Climate again why is that right wing ? Seems a tone of a huge brush going on.

Rjd2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119932486#Comment_119932486

Its mad really , the far right consists of Gemma Doherty a much derided journo and a couple of idiots who follow her around and the national party who are irrelevant but people keep banging on about them in Ireland. We should be happy we don't have such bollocks but for some reason people keep rambling on about the rise of the far right in this country ...how are they rising ffs?

To much culture wars bollocks from America sadly.

John Doe1

The media is the biggest influence on society and western media is overwhelmingly left/far-left

The rise in small far-right element in this country is only going to increase if the far left media/politicians keep calling people slightly right of centre or people concerned about the migrant/refugee clusterfuck racists.

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119933869#Comment_119933869

Lol.

Do you put cotton wool or ear plugs in your ears when you stick your head in the sand?

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119933873#Comment_119933873

The media is the biggest influence on society and western media is overwhelmingly left/far-left

Except it isn't really is it?

In the UK, most prominent newspapers in UK are right wing. Times, Daily Mail, Express, Sun, Spectator, Telegraph etc. On the Left, you have The Guardian and..... Daily Star maybe?

In the US, most watched news programs are all on Fox, at least they were last year.

In Ireland, it's not as dramatic, but still no shortage of prominent right wing outlets and commentators.

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119933871#Comment_119933871

Last Presidential election had a thread on here with a poll predicting Peter Casey was going to win. He gained appeal for one reason and one reason only, he targeted a particular group in what was literally straight out of Trumps playbook.

For last couple of years on here, we've seen a growing number of threads of a similar nature.

In recent weeks, there's been unpleasant scenes of protests against refugees apparently with all other Right wing catch phrases around Covid and the EU being mentioned by people attending also.

You're right, we don't have much right wing in Ireland, I hope it stays that way.

xxxxxxl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119933885#Comment_119933885

Ok easy question do hard left governments promote progress. And before you say Sweden there kind of socialist and a mix of ultra capitalist. So common point to a place where left wing make a better system.

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119933894#Comment_119933894

Denmark, Netherlands, Portugal, Ireland even, New Zealand, Finland, Germany, France even.

And before you come back with a list of issues that exist in these countries. Well, duh, no country is perfect. But these countries don't seem to have the toxicity and selfishness that has existed at a national focus and policy that has existed in the other, right wing driven countries I have referred to.

And its not just governance mind or individuals within. The media and those who control it is a massive influence in determining who ends up in power and then the rest often follows. Look at recent Tory party leadership contests in the UK for example.

chopperbyrne

Protesting against vaccine certs that reduced the rights of citizens who are not vaccinated is in no way right wing.

Especially when all manufacturers of them were given amnesty from any harm that may be caused by them, as they were rushed to market.

In the end, they weren't even full vaccines that prevented infection like originally claimed.

If they were out protesting against vaccines that have been around for decades, that are known to work, and not cause any harm, that would be completely different.

hotmail.com

Americans turned thread into another Trump thread.

Same posters saying same things over and over.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119933869#Comment_119933869

Anything they don't like gets classified under "right-wing" in their political filing cabinet.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119934332#Comment_119934332

My thoughts exactly.

It has almost become a validation-seeking exercise.

Igotadose

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119934332#Comment_119934332

The discussion here about Brexit makes this a Trump thread? Do you agree the origins of Brexit were on the right? Likewise global warming denialism?

hotmail.com

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119934718#Comment_119934718

Well climate denialism is another American thing.

Let's not go there.

And all I can see is Americans bringing every discussion back to Trump.

The protests in China will somehow come back to Trump.

Moves for Britain to leave the EU has come from the Left and the Right for different reasons. Popular feeling in Britain was for the UK to leave the EU. It was carried in a democratic vote and they've now left.

It has put spotlight on the possibility of a united Ireland drawing closer.

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119934332#Comment_119934332

Every one of these posts is shining more light your practice of spending years on here asking people to please leave Trump alone.

If you can't grasp his significance in the advance of right wing ideology over the last 7-8 years, you probably shouldn't be trying to discuss the topic. Or trying to stop it being discussed as seems to be the MO. I mean, he literally hosted an anti-semite and a white supremacist for dinner within the last week, and your here thinking he shouldn't be discussed?

I think you don't like to see his failings being pointed out so frequently. Do you see any irony in post after post complaining about people talking about Trump/America, and then lamenting it's the same posters saying things over and over?

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119934507#Comment_119934507

Well, if someone would recognize a validation seeking exercise, it would probably a big supporter of a TV channel that specifically launched itself with the message of 'not being woke', wouldn't it?

Tell me how

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119935073#Comment_119935073

Well climate denialism is another American thing.

Wrong.

Link

Nigel Farage is a man who could hold the balance of power in UK politics after this year’s General Election.

He’s the leader of the UK Independence Party (UKIP), and currently sitting as a member of the European Parliament.

..........

Number 78 is to repeal the UK climate change act, which UKIP claims costs the UK economy “£18n” a year.

Another right wing mouthpiece.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7CGEYShGow&ab_channel=TalkTV

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119935210#Comment_119935210

One of the positive things about much of the political right is that they are willing to debate with the other side, without hurling abuse or invoking censorship. The channel you speak of does precisely that (and as an aside it's still going strong, as I predicted it would at the time). I do that. Most people on the reasonable right attempt to do that.

Unfortunately, left-wing activists are unable to reasonably engage with arguments against their position.

The fact that they constantly reframe their political opponents as fascists or proto-fascists or racists means that, ab initio, they have no ambition to honestly engage in good faith. They feel morally superior to those on the right, and look down on them. In contrast, the worst word that many right-wing activists use for left-wing activists is "woke" and, even then, that very term was developed by left-wing activists themselves.

When you have no ambition to compromise or to engage in good faith with those with whom you disagree, you forfeit the ability to be taken seriously.

hotmail.com

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119935213#Comment_119935213

Not Ireland.

hotmail.com

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119935190#Comment_119935190

You've just used another post to moan about Trump.

Have you got a problem?