Organized crime in Ireland?

Strumms

The average effective prison term was 2.86 years for drug dealing, the full article from 2020 is behind a paywall… Irish Times

given the impact that drugs have on society and so on… how is that possible? Not just financial which runs into hundreds of millions through health, societal etc..

The penalties for possession, dealing is tiny…. People know what they are doing, ok, not the big shots but it’s an issue to be tackled at every level.

let the law be a deterrent… lock them up….a fella selling gear is going to just be as happy to stick a knife on someone’s throat.

Sugar_Rush

Building sites:

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/extortion-rackets-building-sites-dublin-20570220

Why do these people always look like inbred trash?

Tomaldo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118866679#Comment_118866679

Some drug-dealers get longer sentences than rapists for selling substances to consenting people who enjoy them. Rape victims don't consent or enjoy.

Strumms

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118866841#Comment_118866841

society doesn’t consent and enjoy the misery, death, hospital waiting lists and health / Garda resources being taken over by drug users, addicts and dealers. that you are intimating that is somehow consensual.

Sugar_Rush

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118866750#Comment_118866750

Not to mention, an article mentioned that "dude" is an enforcer.

lol

What exactly is he going to enforce?

Looks like if he ran half a mile he'd hack up a lung, never mind last so much as 30 seconds in brawl before he passes away by way of heart-failure.

And they were shaking down building sites? How exactly does that work?

Tomaldo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118866876#Comment_118866876

I doubt society enjoys the deaths, misery etc caused by reckless road-users either but we don't make cars illegal and rightly so. Supporters of the War on Drugs always talk about the tiny minority of people who have problems using drugs and ignore the elephant in the room, ENJOYMENT. That's the reason drugs and dealers exist.

Strumms

There are thousands of examples per year of proportional penalties to driving in contravention of the road traffic act.

It’s not simply enjoyment… that actually over simplifying it…

enjoyment

selfishness

thrill seeking

boredom

stress reduction

Madeoface

Surely the 'travelling gangs' are organised criminals too, and quite a large element of same within ireland? Or can we not tar(macadam) them all with the one brush?

Like the 3 gents from tallaght that killed themselves in that crash last year. Had 'links' to a now deceased head of a 'travelling gang' iirc.

(That rte/ IT term is PC garbage at its worst).

Big Gerry

Dail Eireann is probably the centre of organized crime in Ireland.

They should teach kids that if you want to be a criminal you should be a white collar criminal because you will more than likely get away with your crimes.

Big Gerry

Stephen_Maturin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118866679#Comment_118866679

How old are you? That’s some 1940s attitude you have there.

Lock up people in possession? That’s a hilariously retrograde measure you’ve called for.

What, a normal college kid smoking a joint and hurting nobody gets found by a Garda and throw in jail, thereby ruining their prospects of a career and destroying their life over something equally innocuous as drinking a beer. I’m sorry but that is ridiculous. Maybe move to China if you like that kind of thing.

Witcher

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118869813#Comment_118869813

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Sugar_Rush

Are common folk that desperate for a little excitement in their lives that not only do they put with up gang and crime culture/practice, but in some sense actively glamorize it... ?

People are a strange breed, given the wrong time and place on occasion.

cafflingwunts

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118864309#Comment_118864309

Well in fairness most bouncers I've met are absolute scumbags and I don't drink out often so maybe there is a hint of truth to it.

cafflingwunts

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118867477#Comment_118867477

All traveller families involved in crime are considered OC, you just won't see that recognized in the media because it's a huge controversy to say the Gardai willingly step aside to let Organized Crime Gangs do what they want out of fear of retaliation.

dublinman1990

A report published today on estate management by DCC has said that OC & anti-social behaviour around drugs in some housing estates owned by the council does appear to be a very small part of the jigsaw when authorities try to combat drug crime in Dublin. However drug crime, intimidation & racism are the most dominant form of OC within these estates.

http://www.rte.ie/news/dublin/2022/0404/1290418-anti-social-behaviour/

The report from the council found that drug gangs do exert forms of control over social housing tenants who live in housing estates such as Darndale, Ballymun, Northeast-Inner City and South City. It's said that varied studies in these parts of Dublin which have social housing & flat complexes in them do create hotspots for these crimes to potentially get a lot worse for residents.

There has also been findings in the report which note that high levels of anti-social behaviour causes high levels of deprivation from within these housing estates.

It's a fact of life when you look at areas with the highest levels of anti-social behaviour within Dublin City Centre. When drugs gets into communities that have lots of social housing contained within it. There are higher levels of deprivation among people who live there whether they are connected with the drug gangs or not. It's a fairly damning insight does not appear to get better particularly during Covid.

We all should have heard the numerous stories that were accelerated from people during the pandemic in some parts of Dublin City that really brought to light a lot of home truths in how these gangs had tightened their grips of control among people who live in these estates. Now we are seeing it coming home to roost in how these gangs have this level of control among certain people when they are living in these parts of the capital.

When you have these trends consistently coming up about these estates; the innocent people who live in them are probably living in states of constant fear all the time if they are near within a faint line of sight of these criminals. If plans for a metropolitan police force for Dublin comes to fruition sometime in the future; I would be all for it.

Larry Bee